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[OwensRacing]

I don't how bad it was during the racing, since as soon as I got in the room, during qualifying for the first race, there were several guys that seemed to almost be on open mics and I set them all to mute. I am fortunate enough to have a headset with a rotating mic boom, that when rotated up mutes it. Makes it fairly easy for me to flip up and down to communicate if necessary. Before and after races I have it down and if someone speaks to me during a race I'll pull it down when I can spare the hand for it and respond.

With audio enabled, everyone's upstream bandwidth, quality and quantity, becomes more critical to smooth network traffic.

I know while running Daytona in D4 last month we didn't seem to have lag issues and everyone seemed to keep the mics enabled, just so we could alert each other to track position. Kind of everyone spotting for everyone. But I don't think we had more than 10 or 11 drivers at that time.

I've been playing online games since Quake II on a 33.6K dial up connection and various and sundry games since, spanning 56K dial up to DSL to Cable, and it's been my experience that one, just one, really crappy connection in a peer to peer system, which is basically what the lounges run as, even if they choose to call it a "Mesh Network" will drag down all the connections. A server/client relational network, what GT5 calls a "Star Network" will generally perform better.

Does open lobby run smoother? We've discussed it but I forget.

 

[Rallywagon]

I think, at least temporarily, we should think about turning off voice on Sundays. I don't know how much the Cyberbunker/Spamhouse DDoS thing has an effect on things, but I have noticed more laggy-ness in the past couple of weeks since the packet flood started. Here's some more info on that. Regardless of that we need to make sure that the designated host is the first one in the lobby, because I think we have better results when the host starts the lobby vs. them becoming the host after the lobby has been started.

The DDoS attacks that Cyberbunker are either doing or allowing arent really as bad as that link you posted says, at least as per this link, and the experts that he has contacted.
At any rate, voice does eat up enough bandwidth that any room with 14 or more racers should probably cut the mics during their races. perhaps we can get a back to back test of this at some point. get 14 or more in the room for a daytona run, do 10 laps, back out, cut the mics and then redo the race and see if lag is better.

 

[Skills]

Does open lobby run smoother? We've discussed it but I forget.

What about open lobby with a 'fixed host'?

 

[Rallywagon]

the fixed host option doesn't change anything, it just kills the room when the host leaves. And as far as I know, no, and open lobby isnt any better. I know this is actually where more of the lag spike type issues and rooms exploding problems were happening.

 

[Skills]

the fixed host option doesn't change anything, it just kills the room when the host leaves. And as far as I know, no, and open lobby isnt any better. I know this is actually where more of the lag spike type issues and rooms exploding problems were happening.

The room does close if the host is disconnected while fixed but from what I've read it should prevent lag since that one bad connection doesn't affect the room as it does with peer to peer.

 

[JLBowler]

To all. If you are filing a racing complaint, please send the PM to any other involved drivers and the division steward as per the proper procedure.

Please describe the incident and leave it at that. Don't include your personal opinion of the other driver or your opinion on why you are getting a complaint filed against you. I (and I'll assume the other stewards) don't care if you don't like the other person. I don't care if you think the other driver has some personal vendetta against you. If you want to take the discussion to that place, leave the steward out of it and just talk to the other driver. I don't need to read your drama.

If you have a complaint filed against you, please do send your side of the incdent to the other driver and the division steward. Just keep the personal critiques out of my inbox and between you and the other driver.

To reference Joe Friday, the facts, just the facts.

 

[AJKVail]

I gained about 5 mph on the exit of every turn by hugging the line until the exit and cut a few tenths every lap running this way May only be applicable to controllers tho
Can you guys explain how staying inside is the best for defense, seriously tho. Not trying to sound douchey but I have found that using the entire course is the best for defense, especially for Daytona

Thanks to JLBowler and Hill for their words of wisdom regarding the NASCAR races!
Chatva, Dr Green and I have turned over 900 laps each at Daytona this past week and with the help of Tcrash, Sandblazter, DGAF and a few others feel that we have developed a system for this very unique form of racing. NASCAR at Daytona is unlike any other form of racing that we engage in at SNAIL. While I agree that the in then out line may be the best for qualifying, we have only found one way that outside line can pass. ( Sorry this info is only available to the dedicated drivers that have shown up to help us develop this system) Staying on the yellow line is a protective measure and forces the other drivers to try and pass on the outside ( passing under the line is not a legit maneuver, though many try!) which is not for the faint of heart because it's not safe up there with the controller drivers on the track. ( No disrespect to you controller drivers, you guys are awesome on the road courses! I don't know how you do it!) We feel it's all about throttle control and situational awareness. Lifting in the turn or straight will not cause you lose the draft or speed. Running full throttle will only lead to disaster. You need to team up and work with the car ahead and behind for the best results! There is a small bump in turn 2 and a larger one in turn 3 that you need to be prepared for or you will jump up the track. When you do move up off the yellow line the car behind can fill that gap in a split second, it happens that fast that you can't expect that driver to hold your spot for you unless you have teamed up and plan on working together the whole race. It is also very helpful as many others have suggested to change your map settings to 2. Hope you find this helpful!
Also please take a moment of silence for the passing of the peanut butter lady, our one and only Pineapple Princess Annette Funicello!

 

[fzappa]

Also please take a moment of silence for the passing of the peanut butter lady, our one and only Pineapple Princess Annette Funicello!

Annette Funicello taught me how to play Beach Blanket Bingo:tup: Haven't lost a game since

 

[the2armedmen]

900 laps? Is that exaggeration or legit?

Also did you guys see that Miura burning? Now that's a bad day

 

[fzappa]

900 laps? Is that exaggeration or legit?

That is 100% accurate! It may have been even more.

 

[ExoSphere64]

So it appears that all of the D4 data is now up to date and we have a full 6-pack on the replays. LondonDTM and albtifosi really stepped up last night and kept D4 on the rails. Thank you SO much!! All of D4 really just rocks! When things went south, everyone pulled together and put on yet another successful race night!👍👍

 

[LondonDTM]

Your welcome. And Great racing in D4 last night. Really glad I'm here with all of you guys!

 

[the2armedmen]

That is 100% accurate! It may have been even more.

well dayum, i caint evun count tht hi

 

[kcheeb]

​

Hey everyone,

I've got the GranStand Challenge spreadsheet up and running. After the first week it's a pretty tight race between 49 drivers

The results do not include penalties ... yet. As soon as the Stewards bless the final results, I'll do my best to get the sheets updated. I'm away this week and am unsure of access. At the latest, I'll have it updated when I return home next week.

What you'll see in the posted link is a summary, when I return I'll make all the gritty details available 👍

Cheers,

kcheeb

 

[SoCalRacer310]

So after reading the rules about complaints and penalties I found that if a racer finishes 4th and is involved in an incident with another driver who finishes in 3rd, only points are docked from the 3rd place offending driver. But mid race if you cause and incident you are expected to give back the position. I am wondering why after the complaint would be filed would points not be adjusted for the incident according to on track incidents and different positions?

In most racing when you wreck someone you are DQ'd or you are given the points for 1 position behind the person you wrecked.

Not sure if I am the only one seeing it this way, but docking points doesn't seem like a fair result of a verified incident. If someone has a good reasoning behind this I would like to hear it.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

@schmiggz

My father played for them in the 50s. The skill skipped a generation, but I have 3 kids in rep right now. Leaves very little time for GT5

 

[DrKronin]

So after reading the rules about complaints and penalties I found that if a racer finishes 4th and is involved in an incident with another driver who finishes in 3rd, only points are docked from the 3rd place offending driver. But mid race if you cause and incident you are expected to give back the position. I am wondering why after the complaint would be filed would points not be adjusted for the incident according to on track incidents and different positions?

In most racing when you wreck someone you are DQ'd or you are given the points for 1 position behind the person you wrecked.

Not sure if I am the only one seeing it this way, but docking points doesn't seem like a fair result of a verified incident. If someone has a good reasoning behind this I would like to hear it.

I don't think I completely understand what you're saying, but if you're asking why we don't take finishing position into account, it's because we treat all incidents equally, no matter where on the grid the people involved ended up. The only thing that one might consider an exception is in the case on concession. If a driver is penalized for an incident, the penalty points are cut in half if the driver immediately concedes the position on-track to the victim.

I'm not sure if this is what you were asking about though. What do you mean by "I found that if a racer finishes 4th and is involved in an incident with another driver who finishes in 3rd, only points are docked from the 3rd place offending driver."?

 

[JESter82178]

Staying on the yellow line is a protective measure and forces the other drivers to try and pass on the outside ( passing under the line is not a legit maneuver, though many try!) which is not for the faint of heart because it's not safe up there with the controller drivers on the track. ( No disrespect to you controller drivers

Right on Vail. I am hoping to be done with NASCAR. It was pretty fun but with a DS3 it is so difficult to hold a line. That was painfully clear to everyone who raced around me in D4 last night. No matter how many adjustments I tried to make I couldn't stay in the draft. This could be a lack of skill but I'm gonna blame it on the controller. I got out of the lead group and tried to push Pyxen for awhile but slammed myself into the wall trying to bump draft with him.

I think it was a good experience but I'm certainly ready to move on. We'll see how the votes fall.

On a sad note - my modem blew today so I am without Internet or TV. (AT&T UVerse) so pics will be late this week. I'll have to wait for a new modem to be sent to the house. Looking forward to capturing some good action. I know I was part of a three wide experiment on Eiger.

Good times in D4 as always. Looking forward to more close racing.

 

[Wolfsatz]

@ Chatva

You executed and perfect touch free pass (on me) at Eiger Race 1 that should be applauded! Patience, good timing and excellent throttle control made it look easy!

Awesome !👍

 

[OwensRacing]

So watching the show "R U Faster then a redneck" got me thinking. We should put together our own little version of this show.

Anyone got some ideas to implement this show into GT5. Some one on one Import vs Domestic challenges?

My thoughts. Get a few rednecks and few imports and duke it out. Say 5 on each team. Each car races the others. No holds barred run what you brung. Maybe limit to Sport Soft tires.

I've got an Iroc Z I'm bringing out for the redneck team.

 

[Handlebar]

So watching the show "R U Faster then a redneck" got me thinking. We should put together our own little version of this show.

Anyone got some ideas to implement this show into GT5. Some one on one Import vs Domestic challenges?

My thoughts. Get a few rednecks and few imports and duke it out. Say 5 on each team. Each car races the others. No holds barred run what you brung. Maybe limit to Sport Soft tires.

I've got an Iroc Z I'm bringing out for the redneck team.

What about something similar to the Magic Lap that dylansan used to run?

I tried to explain to my son. He grabbed a Samba bus, I took the Red Bull for 2 laps at Motegi Ring. Finished under 0.3 sec apart... It is quite fun, and funny. The main downside was the need to actually have folks prep, and/or read the directions. Still... Fun!

 

[OwensRacing]

What about something similar to the Magic Lap that dylansan used to run?

I tried to explain to my son. He grabbed a Samba bus, I took the Red Bull for 2 laps at Motegi Ring. Finished under 0.3 sec apart... It is quite fun, and funny. The main downside was the need to actually have folks prep, and/or read the directions. Still... Fun!

I'm lost. .3 apart in those two cars? I'm thinking like 1 minute apart. Details.

 

[racefan78]

So watching the show "R U Faster then a redneck" got me thinking. We should put together our own little version of this show.

Anyone got some ideas to implement this show into GT5. Some one on one Import vs Domestic challenges?

My thoughts. Get a few rednecks and few imports and duke it out. Say 5 on each team. Each car races the others. No holds barred run what you brung. Maybe limit to Sport Soft tires.

I've got an Iroc Z I'm bringing out for the redneck team.

I'm actually working on a concept similar to that to replace ESCarGOT on Thursday nights. Except it will be a US vs. Japan vs. Europe type thing. More details coming soon!

 

[zer05ive]

What about something similar to the Magic Lap that dylansan used to run?

I tried to explain to my son. He grabbed a Samba bus, I took the Red Bull for 2 laps at Motegi Ring. Finished under 0.3 sec apart... It is quite fun, and funny. The main downside was the need to actually have folks prep, and/or read the directions. Still... Fun!

I'm lost. .3 apart in those two cars? I'm thinking like 1 minute apart. Details.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7090865#post7090865

 

[Handlebar]

Yes, exactly that, Zer0. Thanks!

 

[zer05ive]

Speaking of Magic Lap Racing, it's worth mentioning that it was a Friday night event.. And unfortunately a Friday night event is something that we don't have right now since nobody really stepped up to save STaTS.

Does anybody have a good idea for a new Friday night event? More importantly, is anyone willing to direct and host it? Or do any of you current event directors want to move your event to Friday night instead of your current night?

 

[hillracing]

Speaking of Magic Lap Racing, it's worth mentioning that it was a Friday night event.. And unfortunately a Friday night event is something that we don't have right now since nobody really stepped up to save STaTS.

Does anybody have a good idea for a new Friday night event? More importantly, is anyone willing to direct and host it? Or do any of you current event directors want to move your event to Friday night instead of your current night?

I'm very sad that I don't have the time to organize STaTS anymore. I think everyone who tried it liked the concept and enjoyed the racing. Hopefully somewhere down the road I'll have time again to organize it again.

 

[SoCalRacer310]

I don't think I completely understand what you're saying, but if you're asking why we don't take finishing position into account, it's because we treat all incidents equally, no matter where on the grid the people involved ended up. The only thing that one might consider an exception is in the case on concession. If a driver is penalized for an incident, the penalty points are cut in half if the driver immediately concedes the position on-track to the victim.

I'm not sure if this is what you were asking about though. What do you mean by "I found that if a racer finishes 4th and is involved in an incident with another driver who finishes in 3rd, only points are docked from the 3rd place offending driver."?

Meaning I thought position docking was done also. Not just points, which seems stupid to me.

Lets consider this situation, if Driver A was in 1st place in the championship (210pts) and Driver B(209pts) was in 2nd place in the championship. In the final race of the championship Driver B was behind Driver A in the race and they got into an incident, which caused Driver B to not win the race, then Driver A could be docked lets say 1 point and there by would be declared the winner, but that seems completely unfair.

Current Pts would result with Driver A 225 (210+16-1) Driver B 224 (209+15)

Where as I believe it should be Driver A 224 (210+15-1) Driver B 225 (209+16)

 

[pyxen]

I got out of the lead group and tried to push Pyxen for awhile but slammed myself into the wall trying to bump draft with him.

Good times in D4 as always. Looking forward to more close racing.

I slowed right down once we lost the main group to let you catch up...glad I did, because for a while we were definitely gaining...I think if we had maintained it, we might have caught back on!

For pics, I was in a great battle with Albtifosi during the 2nd Eiger race...very very close. Should make for some fun shots

 

[Rallywagon]

Meaning I thought position docking was done also. Not just points, which seems stupid to me.

Lets consider this situation, if Driver A was in 1st place in the championship (210pts) and Driver B(209pts) was in 2nd place in the championship. In the final race of the championship Driver B was behind Driver A in the race and they got into an incident, which caused Driver B to not win the race, then Driver A could be docked lets say 1 point and there by would be declared the winner, but that seems completely unfair.

Current Pts would result with Driver A 225 (210+16-1) Driver B 224 (209+15)

Where as I believe it should be Driver A 224 (210+15-1) Driver B 225 (209+16)

position holds no bearing on penalties. How is fair for someone who is battling for 6th place
to not be held to the same standard and thus same point deductions then someone whos running for 1st? We do not consider position, nor do we consider the final outcome from an incident. We only focus on the actual infraction itself. To consider anything else would not be fair.
Bowler has a better worded response to this very subject from when we first started using this penalty system, I think its around page 250 ish, from apr 2012. Or it maybe in the stewards group thread, but I didn't find it there. Anyway, this has actually been talked about already.