06 Viper details anyone???

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JNasty4G63
What radio????
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Who needs a radio when you've got such a gorgeous sounding V12 like the Enzo's

- the Viper only has a radio to drown out the awful droan of the truck like V10
 
VIPFREAK
:rolleyes: That's what I was saying dumb ass... only the opposite to your retarded opinion.
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So you don't like the sound of the Enzo's V12, okaaaaaay. I dissagree about the Vipers engine sounding crap, it's okay but thats completly opinionated, liking it or not does not make anyone a dumb ass, just like you there saying you like the V10's sound in the Viper but not the V12's sound in the Enzo doesn't make you a dumb ass, thats just your opinion retarded or not.
 
Imagine. Anyway I think this should get back to the Venom not what cars better. This always happens. The bottom line is, the car that you prefer overall is best, it's best for you and thats all that matters to you.
 
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Round the TopGEar track it ran 1'28.5, it was half a second slower than the M3 CSL, 1 second slower than a T350C, nearly 2 seconds slower than the C6 corvette cabriolet and a whole 4 seconds slower than a Sagaris
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Weel,considering the vipers run was in the rain!!.As you know the people at top gear agree that if a car runs in the rain,its final time would be four seconds slower then a run in the dry.That mean,in theory,if the viper ran in a dry track(which the c6 DID),it would of run a 1.24.5 lap.That is 2 seconds FASTER then a c6.

Plus,a 1000hp viper would beat a enzo around a track with ease,Lets not be mentally retarded and say it wouldent,its a 400hp diferance for craps sacks,what it loses in the bends,it would easily make up for in the straights.its called common sence.....
 
fergamasco
Plus,a 1000hp viper would beat a enzo around a track with ease,Lets not be mentally retarded and say it wouldent,its a 400hp diferance for craps sacks,what it loses in the bends,it would easily make up for in the straights.its called common sence.....
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As a bench racer, you have to remember that above 600-700 hp traction becomes the limiting factor, especially on track (as opposed to drag) tires. So the Viper would only be able to use about 3/4 of it's power. Not to say that its any better or worse than the Enzo (which I think makes a silly benchmark for a Viper, anyways...)
 
You're right..
but remember, when going for a faster lap..
Tires arn't a concern..
You can put tires that won't last 3 minutes of driving..


But if the lap times less than that you're fine....
 
fergamasco
Plus,a 1000hp viper would beat a enzo around a track with ease,Lets not be mentally retarded and say it wouldent,its a 400hp diferance for craps sacks,what it loses in the bends,it would easily make up for in the straights.its called common sence.....
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Just giving a car more power necessarily doesn't make it faster. Things like suspension play a huge role in putting the power to the ground. Even in drag racing, suspension and chasis tuning plays a vital role in acceleration. I just watched a video of a 600+ whp mustang run a 10.9 in the 1/4, on slicks, because it couldn't put the power down. For comparison, a stock 550 hp Ford GT runs about the same time. So in short, the stock suspension, tuned to work with the stock power output, probably wouldn't work well with twice the power.
 
Not to mention its been a proven fact at dragstrips across the country that the Viper's rear suspension goes into severe wheel hop when more than 600hp is fed through it.

In fact, it's commonly said that the Viper - with its IRS setup - becomes more of a dyno queen and a trap speed special on the strip. It simply does a very poor job putting down the power in a straight line.

Now, as far as lateral grip, that's the Viper's calling card. Those things grip the road like Velcro.
 
fergamasco
Plus,a 1000hp viper would beat a enzo around a track with ease,Lets not be mentally retarded and say it wouldent,its a 400hp diferance for craps sacks,what it loses in the bends,it would easily make up for in the straights.its called common sence.....
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:lol:!

You think the poor handling Dodge Viper could outrun a Ferrari Enzo on a track?

Ok. Let's do some math. Alot of it.


You say the Viper will outrun the Enzo on a track. Specify a track. Let us just slightly compare the differencesi n the Viper & Enzo on different tracks.


Nurburgring Nordschleife *Germany*-

The Ferrari Enzo has this game won. The Enzo,being so much lighter,better handling and better overall, will outdo the Viper on this track with EASE! The Viper handles horridly,despite what Viper fanboys think. And it's also sad that 3/4 of the Viper's weight comes from its semi-tractor V-10. If the Viper was lighter and handled better,it might have a chance.


Horsepower isn't everything my friend.

Laguna Seca *U.S.A*-

Enzo is the dominant one yet again. Every turn will kill the Viper more and more til the finish line is crossed. Cornering is vital at Laguna,something the Viper doesn't do well. The Viper will almost be destroyed at the corkscrew because of its tremendous weight. There will be little response while manuevering the turn.

Again,horsepower didnt help anyone here.

Tsukuba Circuit *Japan*-

This could go in favor of either car,but I'm voting for the Enzo,simply because Tsukubas Turns are sharp,plus the Enzo can accelerate even faster than the Viper,which is what is needed at Tsukuba,not top speeds of 250 MPH.


See,horsepower means nothing when you have no way of handling it.
 
TheCracker
The Enzo is a car designed by Formula One's most famous manufacturer with 60 years of supercar know how, honed around Fiorano by Ferrari's best chassis enginers and Michael Schumacher to be the worlds most able road car on a track.
The Viper is a unsophisticated pose-mobile for Miami realestaters built to stroke their egos and make-up for any deficiencies they have in the trouser department by the people who brought you the Grand Caravan.
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Yet most Enzo's are in museums and car shows and many Vipers are driven at the track...(which is why so many peole want the coupe version to come out as convertibles aren't allowed at track days without a roll cage.)
 
MachOne
:lol:!

You think the poor handling Dodge Viper could outrun a Ferrari Enzo on a track?

Ok. Let's do some math. Alot of it.


You say the Viper will outrun the Enzo on a track. Specify a track. Let us just slightly compare the differencesi n the Viper & Enzo on different tracks.


Nurburgring Nordschleife *Germany*-

The Ferrari Enzo has this game won. The Enzo,being so much lighter,better handling and better overall, will outdo the Viper on this track with EASE! The Viper handles horridly,despite what Viper fanboys think. And it's also sad that 3/4 of the Viper's weight comes from its semi-tractor V-10. If the Viper was lighter and handled better,it might have a chance.


Horsepower isn't everything my friend.

Laguna Seca *U.S.A*-

Enzo is the dominant one yet again. Every turn will kill the Viper more and more til the finish line is crossed. Cornering is vital at Laguna,something the Viper doesn't do well. The Viper will almost be destroyed at the corkscrew because of its tremendous weight. There will be little response while manuevering the turn.

Again,horsepower didnt help anyone here.

Tsukuba Circuit *Japan*-

This could go in favor of either car,but I'm voting for the Enzo,simply because Tsukubas Turns are sharp,plus the Enzo can accelerate even faster than the Viper,which is what is needed at Tsukuba,not top speeds of 250 MPH.


See,horsepower means nothing when you have no way of handling it.
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Until this Viper has runs done, people should stop posting crap and comparing this car.

We don't know how this car will go. We can only ASSUME!

I'm getting sick and tired of these dumb, worthless comparisons of a car that probably hasn't even rolled out of the Production line, let alone be tested and reviewed yet.

Jesus Christ!
 
Oh for chrissakes.

2006 Dodge SRT-10 Viper Coupe - 3,450lb's.

2003 Enzo Ferrari - 3,230lb's

Or, in other words 220lb's difference.

That's pissing in the wind with modern car weights.
 
MachOne
:lol:!

You think the poor handling Dodge Viper could outrun a Ferrari Enzo on a track?
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Why does eveyone think the viper is poor handling? 70+mph in the slalom and 1+in lateral G's. Toss in 60-0 braking in less then 100ft, and a 1/4 time of 11.8@ 120+mph and I see a fairly potent machine. Just because everyone can't extract the maximum performance out of it doesn't mean it sucks. In a recent magazine article, the Viper was compared to a lotus elise, widely regarded as one of the best handling cars out there. They tested on two tracks;one with a lot of straights and long sweepers to exploit the vipers strengths, and a short, technical track to exploit the elises handling. Of course the viper was expected to win on the larger course, but they were surprised when the viper also set a better lap time on the smaller course.


Ok. Let's do some math. Alot of it.


You say the Viper will outrun the Enzo on a track. Specify a track. Let us just slightly compare the differencesi n the Viper & Enzo on different tracks.


Nurburgring Nordschleife *Germany*-

The Ferrari Enzo has this game won. The Enzo,being so much lighter,better handling and better overall, will outdo the Viper on this track with EASE! The Viper handles horridly,despite what Viper fanboys think. And it's also sad that 3/4 of the Viper's weight comes from its semi-tractor V-10. If the Viper was lighter and handled better,it might have a chance.


Horsepower isn't everything my friend.

Laguna Seca *U.S.A*-

Enzo is the dominant one yet again. Every turn will kill the Viper more and more til the finish line is crossed. Cornering is vital at Laguna,something the Viper doesn't do well. The Viper will almost be destroyed at the corkscrew because of its tremendous weight. There will be little response while manuevering the turn.

Again,horsepower didnt help anyone here.

Tsukuba Circuit *Japan*-

This could go in favor of either car,but I'm voting for the Enzo,simply because Tsukubas Turns are sharp,plus the Enzo can accelerate even faster than the Viper,which is what is needed at Tsukuba,not top speeds of 250 MPH.


See,horsepower means nothing when you have no way of handling it.
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You didn't prove anything, everything written is an assumption. If your talking about the stock viper, yeah, it'll get annhilated. But the hennsessy venom 1000 is a complete package, with suspension and aero tunig. I don't know, but I personally think it would be a drivers race.
 
Just stop sitting here comparing an Enzo to a damn TUNER viper...alright?

The Viper handles GREAT...The Enzo handles GREAT-er.

Point is, I don't give a rats ass about if the Enzo has the fastest time at "leguna seca"..Whoopidy goddam doo.

This Viper is as close to a production race car as the viper is going to get in SRT-10 trim.

As for this nerds rant about "lets do some math"...and then spits out some random assumptions he's made about these cars and these tracks...

"The enzo has it beat at nurburgring because blah blah blah assumption assumption irrational judgment conclusion jumped."

Enzo hasn't set a record at Nurburgring because its to "prized of a car" to race...

Tsukuba is your only valid argument just because yeah it is a very tight course.....

But your argument at Tsukuba completely counters your argument of the ring.

"250mph speeds don't work here" or whatever crap you said...

they do however on the ring.

As for leguna seca, really. the only place the enzo would be able to overtake the viper is in the first couple corners...
Where the enzo won't be able to keep up with...

Because it's 1000HP viper.

Not only that, i think it's safe to say hennessey knows how to tune a vipers suspension so it can handle the power...

They did it before with the first viper...i'm sure they can do it even better with one with better suspension.


ETC ETC...

PS...Levante track times...

The CGT beat the Enzo...
.
So the enzo isn't unbeatable

Bologna in every sense of the word...
 
Too right,set the record straight.in MY view,i think a 1000hp viper would beat a enzo,you may not,ok.Frankly its stupid


Ferrari Enzo
660 hp
Top Speed: 225 mph
World-wide Production: 349 units
Cost: $1M

02 Hennessey Venom 1000tt gts Coupe
1092 hp
Top Speed: 255 mph
2006 Production: 24 units
Quarter Mile: 8.93 sec @ 149 mph
Curb Weight: 3420 lbs
Cost: $2500000


Heres the big factor though.Power to weight ratio.This is what matters....

Enzo 1:5
1000tt 1:3.1

enough said.....
 
No thats not what matters, I still think the Enzo would win, however I agree with Droftster that as it stands all anyone can do is make assumptions. I can make a car with a better power to weight ratio than a Formula one car, does that mean it's going to be faster on a track, no. Car setuo is what matters, the strenth of the chassis, suspension setup, tyres, aerodynamics ect. The power is only a really big advantage upto a certain point. Now none of this is in anyway me subtly saying the Enzo is faster because it does have a better chassis, because like I said, we don't yet know, but I will assume the Enzo wil be faster. On another note, does anyone have any vids or lap times of the old 1000tt for me to have a look at?
 
I look at the new Hennessey Vipers and now I wish I had a Viper more than ever. That Venom 1000 Twin Turbo SRT10 (silver one) looks beautiful. The Coupe concept drawing looks sweet and I'm glad they didnt go over the top on the spoiler like they did with the old VenomAero wing for the old RT/10.
 
Cheers Drifster, just noticed that download for the vid, haven't checked back in here for a little while.
 
Driftster
But your argument at Tsukuba completely counters your argument of the ring.

"250mph speeds don't work here" or whatever crap you said...

they do however on the ring.
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Hello!

Speed is essentially on the ring. I agree in that point.

BUT

NO CAR HAS EVER DRIVEN 250 MPH on the Nurburgring Nordschleife!!!

Maybe in GT4, but not in RL!!


Thanks for the vids!
 

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