1.06 update coming april 7th!

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I've come to this thread looking for a bit more information on v1.06 before I write something for GTPlanet but, despite the title, I see this is the "complain about promises" thread.

I was under the impression we had very many of those already and that the last time there was an update thread taken over in this manner I deleted a significant number of posts and warned people what would happen if they insisted on destroying GTPlanet's functionality as a resource because they wanted to muck-fling as far as they could manage. Perhaps I was mistaken.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Maybe when the GT6 GPS app on the mobile smart phone is available, we can all enjoy the visualizer on a track that will be created using course maker, it will be crude compared to the car/track visualizer like on GT86, but this is a sign that course maker is on the way :D
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This is what people dont realize anymore - maybe the logger works also the other way. To be able to bring real life route based on GPS to course maker. It is a far FAR stretch to think we actually would get such a feature, but it is possible. We have all the sports tracking softwares that draw ones route to a map - why not roads / tracks? Yes it would be rough copy as theres no input on height or road/track width, but would still be cool. And maybe one could be able to choose the width/height differences manually in course maker after uploading the GPS route. This might also be one reason for the magnitude of the maps/layout on coursemaker they have teased.

You can call me a dreamer and yes this sounds like need for PC hardware, but one can have dreams - right? :guilty:
 
Famine
I've come to this thread looking for a bit more information on v1.06 before I write something for GTPlanet but, despite the title, I see this is the "complain about promises" thread.
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My friend, we lost that battle long ago and you know that.

nasanu
... It was the same with GT2 and GT3, all had features that were missing from the final retail releases. The only difference now is that everyone cries about it.
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The feel of entitlement is something that you either have or don't have. It is a subjective thing.

I remember times of granturismo.com and GTPLanet.net years and years before 2009. Those were different times and different state of mind.

We are simply "old school", grumpy old men that yell while waving their sticks on youth that is never satisfied with anything. I am fine with that now, I realized I can't change anything and I learned to simply ignore 99% of discussions that are neither constructive, neither informed or smart.

The world has changed. And we're only getting older.
 
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Famine
I've come to this thread looking for a bit more information on v1.06 before I write something for GTPlanet but, despite the title, I see this is the "complain about promises" thread.

I was under the impression we had very many of those already and that the last time there was an update thread taken over in this manner I deleted a significant number of posts and warned people what would happen if they insisted on destroying GTPlanet's functionality as a resource because they wanted to muck-fling as far as they could manage. Perhaps I was mistaken.
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Either

A - People will respond to the thread with their opinion on the new update and everything it entails - negative, positive, neutral, biased etc.

B - Thread will consist of no opinions. It will contain only objective facts. It's ""functionality as a resource" will be excellent as it will basically be a news page. It's use as a discussion forum will be near useless.
 
machschnel
Either

A - People will respond to the thread with their opinion on the new update and everything it entails - negative, positive, neutral, biased etc.

B - Thread will consist of no opinions. It will contain only objective facts. It's ""functionality as a resource" will be excellent as it will basically be a news page. It's use as a discussion forum will be near useless.
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They would both be useful for any member clicking on the thread to find out more about v1.06. Currently this thread is:

C - People talk about other features not included, "promises", GT6 in general, Gran Turismo as a whole and the concept of modern, updateable games in contrast to the final product of previous generations. Given time it will extend to PD stealing your money and Kazunori Yamauchi's racing distracting him from the game.

That's not useful. Any article on the GTPlanet blog about an update will feature a link to the active thread on the update (usually under the label "Read more about [] on our forums") and if it's not discussing the update or giving any information about it what's the point of directing readers to it? We're just sending them into a poo-flinging match, oft-dominated by the disaffected.

We have other threads for that purpose. This one is for discussing v1.06.
 
If this means we get the proper data logger back for use in the game, then it is one of the features I've been hoping for. But as far as bridging the divide between virtual and real, it seems it will have a really small userbase.

I'm hoping the update comes with some extra goodies and bug fixes.
 
Even if I lived in Japan and owned an 86, how exactly would I access Fuji or Tsukuba? Do they just let anyone who shows up take a lap?
 
I am also very certain this will be the same data-logger as it was in GT5 (with a few refinements). It was interesting to see my inputs on a line graph.
 
Azure Flare
I am also very certain this will be the same data-logger as it was in GT5 (with a few refinements). It was interesting to see my inputs on a line graph.
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I'm hoping it's closer to the logger from GT4, there were some critical things GT4 had that 5 didn't, like accurate distance on the x axis.
 
ShiftingGears
Classic PD. Making a trailer for the GPS Visualiser Technology which doesn't actually show any track environments created by the GPS Visualiser Technology. Great endorsement.
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GPS visualiser technology is not the same feature as GPS course creator.

These two things, often confused, have been explained many times over.
 
1. This feature is beyond awesome, stuff of dreams actually.
2. Its development has no direct influence whatsoever on the game having less cars or in the delay of DLC tracks. Different dev teams people.
3. From what PD has announced over the years it's pretty obvious that their vision is their games to have a link with reality, not just being couch racing. This tool is a big step for that.

And a personal point,
4. From a player's, individual perspective if you want more content and more stuff to do then play other games/sims for a change, instead of waiting your favorite franchise to be updated who knows when. I'm not showing you the door or implying it: instead the point is from a player's perspective what is best is to try other offerings with the content you want and much more. For example if you want to try classic Lotus F1 cars then instead of waiting here for 10 years just play a game that already has those. Playing other games does not mean "betraying" GT or leaving it for good.
 
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avens
3. From what PD has announced over the years it's pretty obvious that their vision is their games to have a link with reality, not just being couch racing. This tool is a big step for that.
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The moment they market the tracking device as a moderately affordable independent unit, I'll agree with you.

As long as you require a $25,000+ vehicle to even make use of the feature, I will continue to consider it corporate advertising undertaken purely because they want the paycheque. There's nothing visionary about this, it's getting paid to wave your willy around.

If the Toyota 86 was as ubiquitous as the Model T, then maybe it would be reasonable to expect ownership of one, but it's not. The entire function of the feature is to drive sales of real metal.
 
Imari
The moment they market the tracking device as a moderately affordable independent unit, I'll agree with you.

As long as you require a $25,000+ vehicle to even make use of the feature, I will continue to consider it corporate advertising undertaken purely because they want the paycheque. There's nothing visionary about this, it's getting paid to wave your willy around.

If the Toyota 86 was as ubiquitous as the Model T, then maybe it would be reasonable to expect ownership of one, but it's not. The entire function of the feature is to drive sales of real metal.
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This kind of feature is simply not profitable on its own. Very expensive to develop, custom made everything (in practice that aspect costs way more than what people think), years of testing and all that just for a niche that is a boy's dream of the future (mind you a very nice one). Without the endorsement it would simply be impossible to make, just like GT Academy without Nissan or the Oculus Rift without Facebook*.

And BTW from the footage we got this is pretty much Formula 1 level of technology for everyone to try (that meets the requirements) and also it's not like the 86 and its siblings are one of motoring's devils you know; if anything it's the opposite.

Finally, it seems I have to repeat the development of this feature practically has absolutely nothing to do with priorities or any other aspect of the game you would personally like to see first. It's not like if this didn't happen then the engineers involved could be making tracks or like that Toyota money handled only for this project would instead go into hiring a different sound staff.


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Actually there's a shared link between all, which is those right now aren't projects made to earn money. Instead all three are the evolution, the steps of original ideas the men behind those projects have been developing for years. Yes the first steps were taken for money (making a racing videogame like GT1 and fps games like wolf3d at the time), but now the next steps are taken by the same people for passion and have to be made in a more or less altruistic fashion and seeking for funding to do so, because there's no money in it. The second step is related to the first original idea, which for the GT games series that means the natural progression of reaching a link with real racing (not only a videogame anymore) and VR is the natural progression after making "3D" first person shooters possible because the screens (2D) are the technological barrier. Then those ideas will continue to be developed into further progress, with the steps made each time, and someday will reach the mass consumer in a more refined form, when they become a consumer good.

In other words there was that first step made to make money, yes. Then that first idea reached the consumers in different forms, right now with all these racing games and call of duty's. After that comes the progression of the original idea, with GT Academy, this tracker and the Oculus, all of which are a niche and some day will reach mass consumers.

All those steps in the end benefit mass consumers. Remember motorracing used to be something exclusive to the elite (yes even Senna) whereas now you can somewhat access it via racing games/sims and via GT Academy, and that good VR was truly only available to a handful of people. The same goes about the enhanced simulation features of GT6 to be added via updates.

At the same time all those steps are technically related to each other. Just like the existence of quake was needed to make the Oculus, for GT this data logger, the GPS track generator, the racing experience from Kaz and from GT Academy and many other projects are ultimately tied and will ultimately lead to a GT game that fulfills "The Vision". For example spending millions of dollars in drivers and in research looks like a waste of money to some if not to most people here, but in perspective that research is the reason why iRacing is what it is (probably the only racing game that has "the human drama", as GT Academy is not really a GT game or part of it .... yet) and also is the best way to improve AI, have way more tracks, a professional tool to improve lap times and hopefully make couch racers do the transition to the real world by their own, to actually like cars.
 
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Imari
The entire function of the feature is to drive sales of real metal.
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More Toyota GT86/86 GT/Scion FR S/Subaru BRZs (I know it the BRZ was never mentioned, but it pretty much is the same car.) on the road makes me happy.
 
Really looking forward to hearing more about this! We all knew it was coming and it was only a question of when, since we saw demonstrations of it back in GT5 with the GT86 too.

It is these kind of features that make Gran Turismo special to me - bringing the virtual world closer to reality, and even though I don't have a GT86 (yet :P) or a GT-R NISMO, I'm glad they're still adding it.

Regarding comments about; "the two people who can actually use it", I'm completely sure the feature will work for all of GT6's real-world tracks - and even though it will still be for the lucky few it will be a feature which can grow in the future.
 
Awesome feature that only 0,1% of people will be able to use.

I appreciate this, but please PD, there are PRIORITIES

If we use some logic, the GPS data creator should come BEFORE this because then so many more people could be able to use the GPS data visualizer... common sense.


Edit: YES lets hope the update brings more stuff besides that. So lets wait and stop complaining
 
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machschnel
Either

A - People will respond to the thread with their opinion on the new update and everything it entails - negative, positive, neutral, biased etc.

B - Thread will consist of no opinions. It will contain only objective facts. It's ""functionality as a resource" will be excellent as it will basically be a news page. It's use as a discussion forum will be near useless.
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I think the point is that there are enough places to moan ad nauseum already, dedicated threads, even. All that is happening here is people drowning out potentially interesting info by speculating about what they might want to whinge about in a few days time.
 
And so it begins again...while I have as little faith in PD as most other people, why is everyone just "assuming" that the update will just be the data logger? It's entirely possible that other features may be included in the update (yes, anything is possible) but this is the only one advertised, presumably due to it being in conjunction with Toyota and that it has been in the works for some time.

What is most interesting is that there has been no mention of the Update on, AFAIK, any Gran-Turismo site bar the Japanese one (not the first time news has been on there but nowhere else)....it is almost as if, in PD eyes, the rest of the world aren't worthy of news.

I shall be reserving judgement until 7th April as we will not know the contents of the Update until we receive the update as PD don't feel the need to tell us what's in them. Either we will be pleasantly surprised with some good features/content...or it will be a damp squib, much like the 1.05 update, which had some useful things that were not hugely important (that is subjective of course....multi-monitor users would have found it important).
 
avens
This kind of feature is simply not profitable on its own. Very expensive to develop, custom made everything (in practice that aspect costs way more than what people think), years of testing and all that just for a niche that is a boy's dream of the future (mind you a very nice one).
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Considering that I've got a free app on my phone that does a lot of what this app appears to do, bar the visual representation of driving around the track, I don't see why it's such a big deal.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.racechrono.app

GPS tracking has been around for some time now.

Without the endorsement it would simply be impossible to make, just like GT Academy without Nissan or the Oculus Rift without Facebook.
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I don't believe that at all. As above, a significant amount of the technology exists already, all that is required is filtering it to appear sensibly in a GT6 replay. I'm sure that's probably pretty tough. Does it require major investment and support from one of the world's largest automotive manufacturers? Probably not.

[/quote]...and also it's not like the 86 and its siblings are one of motoring's devils you know; if anything it's the opposite.[/quote]

Ah, so because the Toyobaru is a good car, it's OK.

Whether the 86 is a good car or not has nothing to do with it. It's a paid feature designed specifically to sell a car. Whether that car is good, bad, or explosive is neither here nor there.

Finally, it seems I have to repeat the development of this feature practically has absolutely nothing to do with priorities or any other aspect of the game you would personally like to see first. It's not like if this didn't happen then the engineers involved could be making tracks or like that Toyota money handled only for this project would instead go into hiring a different sound staff.
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You're saying that the people that did this could not possibly do anything else useful to the game? Am I understanding that correctly? They wouldn't be making cars or tracks obviously, that's a completely different job. But it seems like a big call to claim that they have no other skills that could be used to improve the game outside of the GPS/data logger.

Does that mean that they get fired, now that the feature is done?
 
Imari
I don't believe that at all. As above, a significant amount of the technology exists already, all that is required is filtering it to appear sensibly in a GT6 replay. I'm sure that's probably pretty tough. Does it require major investment and support from one of the world's largest automotive manufacturers? Probably not.
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You think this took like 3 years just because? Why do you think this is the very first game/sim to have this?

And really, people really need to learn how work....works.
 
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Suppose this feature gets expanded to link with a GPS unit, so that you don't need a Toyobaru or GT-R to use it, and then it links to Course Maker 2? Would that be considered a feature useful to more than a few hundred people?
 
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