2004 Honda Integra Type R vs. 2006 Honda S2000

[TakumiFuji01]

I like '04 DC5 because handling improved over the '03 aka pre-facelift model.
I would choose the AP2 with an F20C though.
F20C - 1999-2005/2006 (North America had it until 2004, Oceania & Europe had it till 2009)
F22C - 2006-2009 (America had it since *EDIT: 2004)

I would how ever pick the S2000 as it has Double-Wishbone on front. If there was another car I could choose, I'd choose the FD2 Civic R & Accord Euro-R '02

 

[YZF]

Which do you prefer?

I prefer rwd cars, so S2000

More importantly, which is faster around Suzuka Circuit?

The S2000 is faster, because it's rwd. Rear wheel driven cars are generally faster than FWD.

Can you beat these times? I equipped Sport Hard tires for both cars.
2:26.955 - 2004 Honda Integra Type R (DC5) - 216 hp @ 8000 rpm, 153 ft-lbs @ 7000 rpm, 1180 kg, 420 pp.
2:26.993 - 2006 Honda S2000 - 235 hp @ 8000 rpm, 163 ft-lbs @ 6500 rpm, 1250 kg, 423 pp.

Yes.

I did a couple of laps today and the results are:

Honda S2000: 2.25.317
Honda Integra: 2.25.810

Both cars are 100% stock except Sports Hard tyres, all aids off except ABS-1

I love the characteristics of both cars so much, I really can't decide which I'd rather own.

Go with S2K

 

[dbarrade]

I prefer rwd cars, so S2000



The S2000 is faster, because it's rwd. Rear wheel driven cars are generally faster than FWD.



Yes.

I did a couple of laps today and the results are:

Honda S2000: 2.25.317
Honda Integra: 2.25.810

Both cars are 100% stock except Sports Hard tyres, all aids off except ABS-1



Go with S2K

I don't believe you can say it is faster because it is rwd, they all have different handling characteristics, you may find that your natural driving style aligns you with one of the layouts.

I owned an Integra, and loved every minute of it, then I got Gran Turismo and started (virtually) driving lots of different cars... after a while I found that MR suited my driving style as when I got into trouble my reactions usually made it worse in a FF car, my brain just thinks that the car should behave how an MR car does.

Back on topic my choice is definitely the JDM DC5 Integra, I just upgraded the bits that I thought needed replacing:

 

[Griffith500]

Pfff, DC2R any time. Less than a second slower than EP3 or FD2 Civics at Suzuka? Tells a story (and it's the initial version; try the '99).

The S2000 is a fun car, of course, not least because the F20C is such a peach of an engine. I generally prefer FR cars, but the DC2 is frankly sublime, as far as FF cars go.

I am surprised the DC5R and 2.2 S2k are so close, though. Another possible reason the AP1s are quicker is that the gear ratios might suit the circuit better.

 

[Hyped]

S2000. My dad has one from one of the first years it was available here, and it's so much fun to drive.

 

[Downhill Dino]

But, but. AP1. 9,000rpms. Sexy pixels.

Oh yes, I know what you mean. Loving those pixels!

 

[Griffith500]

Oh yes, I know what you mean. Loving those pixels!

That's GT2

 

[Downhill Dino]

Oh I know, I was showing how the S2000 had very sexy pixels at one point.

 

[Vitilizer]

Pfff, DC2R any time. Less than a second slower than EP3 or FD2 Civics at Suzuka? Tells a story (and it's the initial version; try the '99).

The S2000 is a fun car, of course, not least because the F20C is such a peach of an engine. I generally prefer FR cars, but the DC2 is frankly sublime, as far as FF cars go.

I am surprised the DC5R and 2.2 S2k are so close, though. Another possible reason the AP1s are quicker is that the gear ratios might suit the circuit better.

It really is a shame that the DC2R isnt a premium car. The car is just so fun to drive and to push to the limits both in game and in person.

 

[Griffith500]

Oh I know, I was showing how the S2000 had very sexy pixels at one point.

OK! I won't pretend to understand what that means.

For me, the "pixels" have only got "sexier" with each game / content revision. But it's not unusual that I would look at things in a strange way...

GT2 certainly had its own aesthetic charm, and the S2000 is kinda sexy no matter how it's "pixelised", more or less.
That's definitely something it has over the Civics and 'Tegs, I'd say.

 

[Downhill Dino]

doodle started it!

Meanwhile, despite the very close times, I would still pick the S2000. Not really because it's rear-wheel drive, but because I find the Integra a little lifeless. It's just boring to drive for me, even when it's tuned.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

DC2R may not be premium, but at least PD included the Spoon DC2R.

I'll have to try the '99 ITR tomorrow and see how it fares against the '95. I bought the '95 because it was the lightest, and I believe has 15" wheels while the '99 has 16's. Not sure of the other differences.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

DC2R may not be premium, but at least PD included the Spoon DC2R.

I'll have to try the '99 ITR tomorrow and see how it fares against the '95. I bought the '95 because it was the lightest, and I believe has 15" wheels while the '99 has 16's.

There's really no such thing of an actual '99 model unfortunately, just '98. '95 & '98 I believe. I ALWAYS prefer Kouki Models as they improve in production development, I would use Zenkis though as a "Project Car" to swap all the goodies from Kouki to Zenki. xD The Spoon engines IRL only go up to 10,000 RPM unlike the Spoon EK9's B16B (in which is actually a downstroked '96 B18C-R) which has 12,000RPM. I think both of the Spoon Complete Engines are the same, just the B16B is increased in stroker length as the B18C.

 

[Vitilizer]

There's really no such thing of an actual '99 model unfortunately, just '98. '95 & '98 I believe. I ALWAYS prefer Kouki Models as they improve in production development, I would use Zenkis though as a "Project Car" to swap all the goodies from Kouki to Zenki. xD The Spoon engines IRL only go up to 10,000 RPM unlike the Spoon EK9's B16B (in which is actually a downstroked '96 B18C-R) which has 12,000RPM. I think both of the Spoon Complete Engines are the same, just the B16B is increased in stroker length as the B18C.

The australian DC2R was made from 1999-2001 and it had a slightly different engine and a different front when compared to the JDM one.

 

[Silver-Sylph]

I own an RSX so Integra all day.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

In the USA, the RSX-S uses the 200 hp K20A2 which was replaced by the 210 hp K20Z1 in 2005. Still garbage compared with the real ITR...

Also, is the '98 DC2 in game? I don't think it was, unfortunately.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

The australian DC2R was made from 1999-2001 and it had a slightly different engine and a different front when compared to the JDM one.

I was talking about Japan only btw.

In the USA, the RSX-S uses the 200 hp K20A2 which was replaced by the 210 hp K20Z1 in 2005. Still garbage compared with the real ITR...

Also, is the '98 DC2 in game? I don't think it was, unfortunately.

The '98 is in there alright! There's a '99 in which isn't supposed to be there at all. They had an '03 DC5 in GT5 that was the standard facelift model but they removed it in GT6 with the Pre-Facelift '02 model as the '03.

 

[VegasHB]

I prefer rwd cars, so S2000



The S2000 is faster, because it's rwd. Rear wheel driven cars are generally faster than FWD.

Tell that to Chris Rado's old time attack car

 

[YZF]

Tell that to Chris Rado's old time attack car

holymother****erbatman !!

 

[YZF]

I don't believe you can say it is faster because it is rwd, they all have different handling characteristics, you may find that your natural driving style aligns you with one of the layouts.

I don't have a 'natural driving style', i have a 'fastest lap time' driving style I adapt my driving to every car in order to squeze everything out of it, all positive things from it.

Ofcourse these two cars have different specs, engines, suspension, brakes, etc. But if we take very similar cars performance wise, one FWD and another RWD, then the RWD car most of the time will be faster because it is faster in the corners. Why? Because you can steer car with the accelerator (with rear end) in a RWD car and this allows you to go faster in corners. That's the main advantage.

 

[Silver-Sylph]

In the USA, the RSX-S uses the 200 hp K20A2 which was replaced by the 210 hp K20Z1 in 2005. Still garbage compared with the real ITR...

Also, is the '98 DC2 in game? I don't think it was, unfortunately.

The K20 series engines i believe is one of Hondas best motors they've made.

 

[GazRwood]

There's really no such thing of an actual '99 model unfortunately, just '98. '95 & '98 I believe. I ALWAYS prefer Kouki Models as they improve in production development, I would use Zenkis though as a "Project Car" to swap all the goodies from Kouki to Zenki. xD The Spoon engines IRL only go up to 10,000 RPM unlike the Spoon EK9's B16B (in which is actually a downstroked '96 B18C-R) which has 12,000RPM. I think both of the Spoon Complete Engines are the same, just the B16B is increased in stroker length as the B18C.

Hi, there is a 99 model as far as im aware of. It was known as the 2000 rx model with all the optional extras and weighed slightly more than the 98 spec. I know several people who have imported the rx from Japan here in The UK. Granted its not like the difference between the 95/98 models but it does exist

 

[R34EVO9]

For me the 99 itr s just as fast as my dc5. The s2k feels a lil lacking in gt6 but with sport hard suspension a lot better than the dc5.

 

[YZF]

My initial impressions after testing these two models:

Integra feels a little bit more 'sporty', it has just slightly better acceleration/top speed and better brakes and better stability in esses/over kerbs. I guess that's because of 'TypeR' specification.

S2000 is rwd so it goes faster in corners (mid-corner, apex). It also has more softer suspension than Integra. I wonder how would S2K 'TypeR' feel, if it existed ofcourse

And the videos of my both laps:

2004 Integra:



2006 S2000:

 

[Griffith500]

There's really no such thing of an actual '99 model unfortunately, just '98. '95 & '98 I believe. I ALWAYS prefer Kouki Models as they improve in production development, I would use Zenkis though as a "Project Car" to swap all the goodies from Kouki to Zenki. xD The Spoon engines IRL only go up to 10,000 RPM unlike the Spoon EK9's B16B (in which is actually a downstroked '96 B18C-R) which has 12,000RPM. I think both of the Spoon Complete Engines are the same, just the B16B is increased in stroker length as the B18C.

The DC2 had a major revision for '98, but the reality is the manufacturing processes, specifically consistency and durability, but also settings etc. were being improved all the time. Honda effectively used those cars as a testbed for precision "mass" production techniques; things like computer-controlled precision (and performance oriented) machining of cylinder heads, mass balanced brake rotors and wheel hubs left-to-right etc. were all being performed towards the end of that production run.

In that light, a '99 car is more likely to have these gradual improvements than a '98, and I believe there is 1 PP difference in the game (although I won't even pretend to know why that difference exists for the game - it depends on what PP actually is). It also shows how the K20A got to be such a powerhouse, and maybe also why later Type-Rs lost some of that original magic.

As already mentioned, the Australians didn't get the DC2R until '99, and it was the same in the UK (well, '98). It's then that all those mass-production optimisations came good, and whilst the cars sold outside of Japan were subtly different mechanically (mainly smaller wheels and slightly different engine bits for lower octane fuel, cheaper exhaust manifold etc.; also the front end was the original quad-lamp style the Japanese disliked), I believe they had all the other benefits gleaned from the three year lead up. The Acuras are different again, mostly because of even lower fuel octane requirements. There are even rumours that later DC2s had the '98 CTR's cams...

 

[ItWasntMe]

DC5 owner chiming in with:

I'd take the Integra for the track all day long. S2000's are really good, but the Type R is naturally more track focussed.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

There's something to be said about FF cars, and that is they do not get fussy with the driver. You can barrel into corners with reckless abandon. Powering out of a corner is a simple matter of either being on or off the gas depending on the amount of understeer that is prevalent. This rarely ever requires countersteer.

Send most FR cars flying into a corner and odds are you will be doing some steering corrections. Yes FR cars are generally faster, but they require loads more mental and physical stamina to achieve an insignificantly faster lap time versus their FF counterparts.

That said, I own an MX-5, so I'm not anti-FR, but for some reason I'm in love with the DC5-R.

 

[WhiteShadw]

I'd go for the S2000, simply because I don't like the idea of fwd's accelerating and turning with the front wheels.. that accelerated wear on the tires is something I don't like.. and the rear tires seem useless.. should have just made a car on two wheels

 

[Brainhulk]

There's something to be said about FF cars, and that is they do not get fussy with the driver. You can barrel into corners with reckless abandon. Powering out of a corner is a simple matter of either being on or off the gas depending on the amount of understeer that is prevalent. This rarely ever requires countersteer.

Send most FR cars flying into a corner and odds are you will be doing some steering corrections. Yes FR cars are generally faster, but they require loads more mental and physical stamina to achieve an insignificantly faster lap time versus their FF counterparts.

That said, I own an MX-5, so I'm not anti-FR, but for some reason I'm in love with the DC5-R.

+1. This is my experience also in RL. However in GT, I drive so much more aggressively that I find I have to slow down so much to avoid the understeer. So much that I dont find it fun.

Real life the understeer/oversteer debate is give and take imo

 

[TakumiFuji01]

The DC2 had a major revision for '98, but the reality is the manufacturing processes, specifically consistency and durability, but also settings etc. were being improved all the time. Honda effectively used those cars as a testbed for precision "mass" production techniques; things like computer-controlled precision (and performance oriented) machining of cylinder heads, mass balanced brake rotors and wheel hubs left-to-right etc. were all being performed towards the end of that production run.

In that light, a '99 car is more likely to have these gradual improvements than a '98, and I believe there is 1 PP difference in the game (although I won't even pretend to know why that difference exists for the game - it depends on what PP actually is). It also shows how the K20A got to be such a powerhouse, and maybe also why later Type-Rs lost some of that original magic.

As already mentioned, the Australians didn't get the DC2R until '99, and it was the same in the UK (well, '98). It's then that all those mass-production optimisations came good, and whilst the cars sold outside of Japan were subtly different mechanically (mainly smaller wheels and slightly different engine bits for lower octane fuel, cheaper exhaust manifold etc.; also the front end was the original quad-lamp style the Japanese disliked), I believe they had all the other benefits gleaned from the three year lead up. The Acuras are different again, mostly because of even lower fuel octane requirements. There are even rumours that later DC2s had the '98 CTR's cams...

I was only referring to the Japanese Version ONLY. I understand there's '99+ model for other countries, but I feel like including a model with year difference doesn't change until a refresh model like '97 ITR DC2 is same as '96 but wasn't included in GT. I know there was a '99-'00 model for Japan still but it didn't change much like as if it was another refresh