2004 Honda Integra Type R vs. 2006 Honda S2000

[c-losk]

Well here is my thought, as a Master Honda tech I've had the opportunity to drive both S2k AP1 & 2 as well as a Supercharged AP1, boy that was fun, I also drove an 01' Type R. While driving them I feel more confident with the Type R, you can push it harder then the S2's in my opinion, I think they handle better around the track but in the game I can push the S2k easier then the Integra. If I were to choose between the two I'll pick the Type R because of what it represents to Honda.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

Did the '99 just now, and the '95 a few weeks ago. Here's how they compared for me. Mid-to-high 2:28 is most definitely possible for some of you, but I would cry if anyone manages a clean 2:27 lap with either car.

2:29.267 - 1999 Honda Integra Type R - 197 hp @ 8000 rpm, 139 ft-lbs @ 6500 rpm, 1080 kg, 409 pp, 99.2% Power.
2:29.320 - 1995 Honda Integra Type R - 197 hp @ 8000 rpm, 134 ft-lbs @ 7500 rpm, 1060 kg, 407 pp.

In the year 2020, I will import a 1995 ITR.

 

[Griffith500]

I was only referring to the Japanese Version ONLY. I understand there's '99+ model for other countries, but I feel like including a model with year difference doesn't change until a refresh model like '97 ITR DC2 is same as '96 but wasn't included in GT. I know there was a '99-'00 model for Japan still but it didn't change much like as if it was another refresh

Sure, my point was that the InteRs were consistently improved outside of that one "refresh".

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

Which one has RWD again? Oh yea, I'll take the S2000.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I should have known that there are only two types of car enthusiasts: Those who are only impressed by one drivetrain (in this case, FR) and those who appreciate all drivetrains.

 

[yiya]

S2000 for me

 

[MidFieldMaven]

If this were DC5-R vs AP1 then I'd go for the AP1. 9,000 rpm and 240 hp from a 2.0L is fantastic.

 

[Awong124]

I'd never want to own an S2000 in real life. I'd take the Integra because it's a lot more practical for one thing. I also hate convertibles. If I can only own one of those, and no other car, then the Integra hands down just for the practicality. But if I can have a practical car besides one of those, then I'd still choose the Integra because I hate convertibles. I'd take the S2000 if it came as a coupe.

 

[YZF]

Did the '99 just now, and the '95 a few weeks ago. Here's how they compared for me. Mid-to-high 2:28 is most definitely possible for some of you, but I would cry if anyone manages a clean 2:27 lap with either car.

2:29.267 - 1999 Honda Integra Type R - 197 hp @ 8000 rpm, 139 ft-lbs @ 6500 rpm, 1080 kg, 409 pp, 99.2% Power.
2:29.320 - 1995 Honda Integra Type R - 197 hp @ 8000 rpm, 134 ft-lbs @ 7500 rpm, 1060 kg, 407 pp.

In the year 2020, I will import a 1995 ITR.

2.27.705 (1999 Integra Type R, 99.2% Power):



Are you crying now?

 

[MidFieldMaven]

Not crying at all. You did what, 16 laps? More? I did 3 to get my time. I get bored. How many laps did it take you to beat me though?

My best lap times are a solid baseline that would take most good GT players 3-5 laps to beat. Basically, my best laps would be a solid silver medal in a time trial seasonal, borderline gold.

I've done 373 cars so far. If I did 16 laps in each car...well I'd have no life at all lol.

 

[YZF]

Not crying at all. You did what, 16 laps? More?

I actually don't count my laps (who cares?), i was enjoying doing hotlaps, finding the limits, seeing what this car is capable of. The whole session was maybe 40min or more, but i may spend couple of hours some evening playing online, so this is nothing.

How many laps did it take you to beat me though?

2

My best lap times are a solid baseline that would take most good GT players 3-5 laps to beat. Basically, my best laps would be a solid silver medal in a time trial seasonal, borderline gold.

Why are you writing these excuses? You asked if 2.27 was possible - i showed you that it's possible without any real hard work. That's it. Nothing more. The aliens from seasonals would easily do 2.26 or lower.

I've done 373 cars so far. If I did 16 laps in each car...well I'd have no life at all lol.

One can do 3 average laps with 400 cars, another player can do 20 fast and stable laps with 20 cars. So what? who cares. Enjoy the game.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I doubt 2:26 is possible without a divine miracle. If someone could do that using a controller, I'll quit playing GT forever.

Looking at your replay again, the final corner before the front straight is where you gained most of the 1.5 seconds over me. Your outside wheels are off the tarmac at 2:10, but unfortunately the game allows it. Is that allowed in real life?

 

[YZF]

I doubt 2:26 is possible without a divine miracle. If someone could do that using a controller, I'll quit playing GT forever.

I'll give you couple of tips: don't make such statements and promises... Also if you are referring to certain person, quote his post.

Looking at your replay again, the final corner before the front straight is where you gained most of the 1.5 seconds over me.

No, you can't gain 1.5 sec in just one corner. And in fact my hotlaps weren't impacted much by the sharpness of trajectory in the last corner. I could do very similar lap times going little bit wider/less to the left (couple tenths of sec difference).

Your outside wheels are off the tarmac at 2:10, but unfortunately the game allows it. Is that allowed in real life?

Yes, it is, because the green part is considered part of track (extension of the kerb). If it was illegal, the game would invalidate the time.

BTW, the recorded lap time isn't perfect at all, i totally missed apex in first two corners and during other laps i was couple tenths faster on other parts of the track. Low 27s definitely possible for me, with this car. Maybe i'll try '95 Integra later, in the evening. It will be interesting to see the difference.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I just did 10 more laps with the '99 and couldn't beat my original 2:29.267

I don't know what I'm doing wrong, so I'm giving up on this car.

Anyone else want to try for a 2:28 lap in the '99 ITR with 99.2% power?

YZF, can you switch kph to mph and record your replay in bumper cam? I really want to compare our laps.

 

[Ewok626]

I can't find the video but I saw one where they compared the 08 Civic type R vs a s2000 around a track and the civic was faster.

 

[DaBomm4]

I just did 10 more laps with the '99 and couldn't beat my original 2:29.267

I don't know what I'm doing wrong, so I'm giving up on this car.

Anyone else want to try for a 2:28 lap in the '99 ITR with 99.2% power?

YZF, can you switch kph to mph and record your replay in bumper cam? I really want to compare our laps.

I may give it a try near the end of my weekend. Got a small list of things to do including tuning the '99 ITR anyways.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

Just did a few laps with the '03 ITR. It comes from the dealer with 221 hp @ 9000 rpm, a full 5 hp and 1,000 rpm more than the premium '04, so I tuned it down to the correct 216 hp.

2:26.859 - 2003 Honda ITR - 216 hp @ 8900 rpm, 152 ft-lbs @ 7000 rpm, 1170 kg, 419 pp. (99.9% power)
2:26.955 - 2004 Honda ITR - 216 hp @ 8000 rpm, 153 ft-lbs @ 7000 rpm, 1180 kg, 420 pp.

I expect YZF to post a 2:25 lap replay shortly lol

 

[GazRwood]

Not crying at all. You did what, 16 laps? More? I did 3 to get my time. I get bored. How many laps did it take you to beat me though?

My best lap times are a solid baseline that would take most good GT players 3-5 laps to beat. Basically, my best laps would be a solid silver medal in a time trial seasonal, borderline gold.

I've done 373 cars so far. If I did 16 laps in each car...well I'd have no life at all lol.

You're wrong about that time being a solid silver lol. If it was then seasonals would be competitive! That was a great lap mate, it took me quite afew laps to get to yours. I kept pushing and eventually got to a high 2,27.9. I don't do many time trial seasonals but i did come 33rd in the nsx one recently so im not slow and i can assure you you're not either lol Also to go faster like several top time trialers do you would have to use less of the race track which in real life you wouldn't do.

 

[YZF]

YZF, can you switch kph to mph and record your replay in bumper cam? I really want to compare our laps.

As you requested, specially for you:

Bumper cam, speed in MPH, and also bested my laptime: 2.27.454. Oh and first lap out (as it is important for you )

 

[DaBomm4]

That's roof cam silly. I'm sure it will work just fine for him tho.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

That's just about as perfect a lap as I can imagine. If anyone beats that, they deserve to be flown to Suzuka for a real challenge. YZF, I tip my proverbial hat to you sir. If I had a lap going that good, I guarantee I'd lose focus and screw up at the final chicane, and then I'd start cursing and flipping out.

 

[YZF]

I did try '95 Integra and the main difference, which was obvious instantly, was that the '99 version has shorter first 3 gears. This helps on Suzuka as there are quite a few 3rd gear corners where you need more power out of them (this is especially important with a low-torque not-so-powerful engine).

Otherwise all other things are very similar, almost exact. Maybe there is some slight advantage in fast corners under braking, where those ~20kg less help, but hard to notice. Didn't practice a lot, just did couple laps, and made high 2.27s. I'd say the difference between two cars is about 0.3-0.4sec here

 

[Valkyr1313]

I would probably have the Integra as it is slightly practical and I wouldn't have to pay an arm and a leg for insurance, so I could actually use the manual

 

[GazRwood]

2:26.06



Abit scruffy and i would get black flagged for it but its effective lol. Just to add if i was testing like Suzukastar i wouldn't drive like this and be using the handbrake at 90 mph . I reckon somebody could do a 2:24 but it wouldnt simulate real life driving.

 

[TakumiFuji01]

I did try '95 Integra and the main difference, which was obvious instantly, was that the '99 version has shorter first 3 gears. This helps on Suzuka as there are quite a few 3rd gear corners where you need more power out of them (this is especially important with a low-torque not-so-powerful engine).

Otherwise all other things are very similar, almost exact. Maybe there is some slight advantage in fast corners under braking, where those ~20kg less help, but hard to notice. Didn't practice a lot, just did couple laps, and made high 2.27s. I'd say the difference between two cars is about 0.3-0.4sec here

For the '98+ models; Final Drive (4.785 I think since '95+ has 4.4) is different, 4th & 5th are from the SiR model. 1st-3rd are the same. Obviously more low end torque coming from the Stainless Steel Header. 215/45R16" Tires are used for the '98+ Models. Suspension, & Handling have been improved obviously

 

[The87Dodge]

I think the S2000 honestly has better performance.

 

[05XR8]

S2000. Nothing beats roadsters. 👍

 

[GT_Alex74]

I'll have a go with those pretty soon on Trial Mountain. Would be interesting to comapre with NSX as well. Guess I'll drive a lot of Hondas

 

[MidFieldMaven]

Old thread...here was my lap. I'm sure I could get 2:28 now. In fact I'm going to boot up GT6 right now and try to get into the 2:27's. Might be near-impossible with a DS3. YZF's 2:27 lap was with a wheel, and comparing us side by side you can see the clear advantage a wheel has.



Edit: It's been so long since I've been to Suzuka, and equally as long since I've used anything besides Comfort Hard tires, that after 10 laps (half were restarts) the best I could do now is a 2:30 so I give up.

 

[YZF]

YZF's 2:27 lap was with a wheel, and comparing us side by side you can see the clear advantage a wheel has.

Indeed. That's why you should go and buy a wheel and enjoy much better driving experience 👍