2007 Civic SI sedan

...I dont think there were many AWD Civics sold in the United States, so that may be why you don't remember them. A kid I worked with had one, but it was a pretty awkward car and it was pretty easy to see why they never sold well here in the US.
 
Certain hatchbacks and station wagons just didn't sell that well in the U.S. back then. It's caught on a little bit in the States recently.

Civic Shuttles. I think many of those were AWD, if not all(I'm not sure).
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mid 80's?
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late 80's to early 90's, I think.
 
Well, which would you rather have if you wanted the latest Civic (and why?):

A. Civic Hybrid
B. " Sedan
C. " Coupe
D. " Si

By the way, I wonder if a Type-R variant of the latest Civic was developed...
 
Since the other Civics really arent that superior to the new Caliber, Jetta/Golf, Cobalt, etc. in terms of value vs performance, the Si only validates the purchase of a Civic because of it's overall sportyness.

That said, I would probably buy the "real Civic" first; The Honda Fit.
 
speedracer*
aparantly there will be a civic SI sedan next year
http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=495409
i think thats a much better car than the coupe.
So, only about 10 years after I could possibly be interested in it, Honda figures out that some people want a sporty car but need four doors.
:dunce:
I remember thinking, when the original Civic Si came out in 1985 or so, that I'd really like a 4 door version of it.
 
Duke
So, only about 10 years after I could possibly be interested in it, Honda figures out that some people want a sporty car but need four doors.
:dunce:
I remember thinking, when the original Civic Si came out in 1985 or so, that I'd really like a 4 door version of it.
No kidding. :lol: I didn't realize how long it took for Honda to come up with this!
 
Let me ask the same question as I did for the Dodge Caliber. Is this latest Civic lineup a step up or step down for Honda?
 
Its a major step-up from the previous Civic, but if you go back two generations, I think you would probably find the best Civic of them all (IMO).
 
YSSMAN
Its a major step-up from the previous Civic, but if you go back two generations, I think you would probably find the best Civic of them all (IMO).
I agree. :D Although I liked the funky Civic Si, I was in a minority. Coupe was OK at best(for Honda), sedan didn't look too desirable.
 
If we're talking about an Si Sedan from two gens ago... there's one sitting down the street from my house. They're all over the place here. Cute little cars, 0-60 in 7.6 seconds, nice rear seat space and ubiquitous. (Damn, they're everywhere! :lol: ). We pined for the coupe (we didn't get it), but not many people were disappointed that we didn't get it, as the sedan had 99% of the Coupe's abilities (not much heavier) and 150% of the practicality.

As for whether it's a step up or down, I agree with YSSMAN... step up from the last one, still not as good as the old one. Call me again when they have double wishbones up front again (they could, with all the space they freed up by repackaging the engine).
 
I was talking about the coupe/sedan Si (and even the Civic in general) from two generations ago. The little car did so much to change the face of the small-car market, and with so many variants of that little car, it was a huge success. The looks were exactly right, not too cute for guys to drive, but cute enough for most girls to like. The last of the CRX and DelSol variants kicked ass, and those final Si's (around 2000 I think) are one of the few Hondas I would ever go for.

Honda has turned the Civic into a mutated mess, now as large as the older Accords, and it is trying too hard to appeal to too many people. If anything the Fit is exactly what the Civic should be, not this new egg-shaped space mobile.
 
When Dodge came off with the SRT-4, people liked it with its 220 or so horsepower (too bad now though. Dodge made a big mistake replacing the Neon with a Caliber). But if Honda ups the horsepower of the Civic with the highest offering getting 197hp, people hate this. I never really understand it. It's sort of a thing we do. Usually, we are talking about what cars are absolutely dull or shouldn't be hopped up simply because it's still boring. Well, the same goes with the latest Civic. Do I think the Civic (especially the Si) should get 197hp? Not really. Doesn't mean Honda won't bump it up.

We end up going back to one of my comments- "okay, the Civic isn't a sports car. Does it have to be?" Is the Chrysler 300 a sports car? I just think this all boils down to "the Civic is better off handling groceries and being a mundane city car." I'm not even going to go into the field stating that Civics don't need the horsepower they are getting. I can recall what Honda tried to do with the Civic, S2000, and NSX. For the Civic, it's more like a practical car which is also sporty. For the S2000, I've thought of it as a sports car that is also practical. With 240hp and rear-wheel drive, it is a sports car which doesn't cost sports car money. The ill-fated NSX was told to be an exotic sports car that is livable. Livable in the sense of an automobile that can still be practical as a day-to-day deal. I don't think people would want to have an exotic car to take to work every day and all that. So it's more like a weekend racer. I guess where I'm getting at is that no matter what Honda wants to do to beef up its cars, they will still be practical and safe. They'll also be built so they become good daily drivers, but also great fun to tune up. Something feels just right about Civics in which people want to mod them up to make them perform better. They aren't going to create a sports car, but again... does it have to be? This even applies to people taking Civics and making them muscle car killers or something. The Civic is NEVER going to be a pure sports car because it wasn't designed to be. The Mini Cooper took on competition in the past in its native United Kingdom and no one complained, so why the Civic?

The main phrase I've been using is "why the Civic?" Many of us like the Fit/Jazz/City that's coming out, but I think Honda just wanted to kick up the Civic. It doesn't mean it's going to pull of 8 minute times at the Nürburgring, out-accelerate a Corvette C6, or anything like that. Does modding up cars seem to be a double standard in regards to the Civic? Like, it's okay to mod up a Focus or a Mini or something like that, but people don't need to hop up a Civic? It's perfectly fine to make a Taurus or a 2000-ish Monte Carlo perform, but not the Civic. It's okay if Toyota bumps up the HPs on its baby, the Toyota Camry or even the Toyota Echo... but not the Civic. I don't like using stereotypes concerning this auto. You won't see me make "Fast and Furious" clichés and all in talking about this car. I could say something like Hummers are better off in off-road conditions than blocking lanes on the highway... and I'd get blasted. I could say that today's Caddilacs don't need to do 0-60 in under 5 seconds or be considered sports cars... and get blasted. I try to take a neutral side because I don't want to paint a negative image about a certain issue, or to use better terms- a conception about something which will have more than 50% disagree with me. My case is that the Civic will still be a sport compact and a great one until some other vehicle surpasses it in all the fields the Civic covers and then some. To end, I usually say that Civics on the road at more like Porsches in sportscar/endurance raicng- all over the place and not for bad reasons. They are there because they are affordable and offer something most other cars don't have, or simply a car people can live with, even if they wanted to save their money for a sports car or something.
 
If Honda wants to build a 2+2 performance coupe like the Civic Si, they may as well just start making the Prelude again... With a history as rich and deep as that name carries, I would be willing to bet that a well equipped and agressively priced Prelude Si could outsell the Civic Si, and possibly interest this "part-time Honda-hater" into buying a Honda product.
 
YSSMAN
I would be willing to bet that a well equipped and agressively priced Prelude Si could outsell the Civic Si, and possibly interest this "part-time Honda-hater" into buying a Honda product.

As a fellow "part-time Honda-hater" let me say as long as there are these companies (that aren't luxury brands) in business I'll never buy a Honda product--ever. In order of how much I like them...and yes I went specifics and not just said "Nissan, Ford, and GM".

Nissan
Mazda
Ford
Saab
Volvo
Subaru
Pontiac
Chevrolet
Toyota
Mitsubishi
Hyundai (Disclaimer: only the GT V6 Tiburon)
...
...
...
...
...
*gasp*Dodge*falls over and has a heart attack*

For Honda to get me remotely interested, the TSX needs to either be AWD or RWD with at least a 3.0l V6 engine. The TSX is the best thing they have--and it's fantastic--except it's FWD. = / The TL is close...but just seems too big for my tastes...still a real good car.
 
JCE3000GT
As a fellow "part-time Honda-hater" let me say as long as there are these companies (that aren't luxury brands) in business I'll never buy a Honda product--ever. In order of how much I like them...and yes I went specifics and not just said "Nissan, Ford, and GM".

Nissan
Mazda
Ford
Saab
Volvo

Subaru
Pontiac
Chevrolet
Toyota
Mitsubishi
Hyundai (Disclaimer: only the GT V6 Tiburon)
...
...
...
...
...
*gasp*Dodge*falls over and has a heart attack*
Saab and Volvo not luxury brands? Since when? What class exactly does a S60 or 9-3 compete in?
 
skip0110
Saab and Volvo not luxury brands? Since when? What class exactly does a S60 or 9-3 compete in?

I meant brands like Bentley, Rolls Royce, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, and etc. Poor choice of wording on my part.
 
I wouldnt put Honda completely out of the realm of good cars, which they are, but I personally dont care much for them. Honda (to me) has gone out of control with their new vehicles. Build quality has suffered in recent years (although better than many other companies) and they have managed to suck the life out of many of the vehicles in the interest of safety and fuel economy.

Of course, models like the Si and S2000 are exceptions to the rule, as well as the Honda Accord EX Manual, and a few of the Acura brand cars. But after driving the "sporty" Accord EX Coupe, I came away dissapointed.

...I highly recomend Hondas and Toyotas to anyone who talks to me about buying new cars, but when they as what I myself would buy, I could almost guarantee that 99% of the time there wouldnt be a Hond or Toyota on my list...
 
I have nothing against Hondas, but as a RWD-afficiando, I could only see myself purchasing an S2000 or NSX, which are both excellent machines anyway (especially the NSX). :)
 
YSSMAN
But after driving the "sporty" Accord EX Coupe, I came away dissapointed.

That's the thing, the 2dr Coupe seems too claustrophobic and is rather uncomfortable along with not giving me a "sporty" feeling. The 4dr V6 6spd is fantastic--and puts a smile on my face...which is a shock considering I really don't care for Hondas. And yes the EX 5 spd 4cyl model is also quite a bit fun to drive for a larger 4cyl sedan. But, the best Japanese sedans to me are the Maxima, Legacy, and the Mazda6. The Legacy has outstanding cornering ability while the Maxima has brutally fast excelleration (especially the 6spd). The problem with Honda is I think they are settling for cheaper interior materials to lower the price to compete with the likes of Subaru and have a lower price vs Maxima or Camry. And they really need to develop a VTEC engine with some torque for some low end grunt--but I'm sure "Honda fans" would throw a fit. Constantly having to keep your car at a higher rpm will severely reduce your gas mileage and not to mention do more wear and tear on the car's drivetrain. Honda needs to be careful--even the Hyundai Sonata is coming into thier radar to compete with the Accord. Just my opinion(s).
 
JCE3000GT
That's the thing, the 2dr Coupe seems too claustrophobic and is rather uncomfortable along with not giving me a "sporty" feeling. The 4dr V6 6spd is fantastic--and puts a smile on my face...which is a shock considering I really don't care for Hondas.
Do they finally make V-6 Accord Sedan with a stick shift? Last I heard, V-6 Sedans only came with automatic transmission.
 
Yeah, the 6M is an option on the V6 sedans now. Car and Driver had one in their "Everyday Heroes" comparo, where they pitted the Honda Accord EX V6 vs Pontiac G6 GTP vs Mazda Mazdaspeed6 vs Acura TSX vs VW GLI...The GLI took top honors, with the Honda in second, followed by the TSX, Mazda, and the Pontiac.

I personally prefer the feeling of a German sedan over that of the Japanese model (which seems watered down to me). American sedans are good too, but considering how "uninvolved" they are (even to a great extent than the Japanese models), the Germans are the clear choise in most situations.
 

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