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2008 24 Hours of Le Mans
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Of course, if Peugeot have both speed and reliability, Audi are screwed if that's all they've got.
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- bramturismo
Exactly.
Peugeot totally dominated Audi at Spa, and if it weren't for the crash of one of them (Gene?) it'd be an easy 1-2 for them, Audi had nothing pace against Peugeot there...
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But Spa is only 1000km. If memory serves, Le Mans is nearly four or more times longer, depending on how many laps the leader completes. Now the math might be wrong, but if Peugeot consistently run at a pace seven seconds faster than the old lap record, and Audi are only running at that old record pace, Peugeot are going to catch them once every thirty laps (assuing everything remains constant). Audi would be doing 15 laps an hour (not allowing for pitstops), so they'd be caught once every two hours by the Peugeot. Thus, over the course of the 24 hours, they would be caught 12 times. The winning Audi did 369 laps last year, and assuming that they didn't have pitstops (which it obviously did, but I can't work out how to factor that in, nor do I want to because it's late), that means that if Peugeot win under the above circumstances, they'll have completed 381.
Now, I do actually have a point here: La Sarthe is 13km around (I'm rounding down). 369 laps of a 13km circuit means the 2007 winners completed 4797km. If the Peugeot wins with 381 laps, they'll have done 4953km, which is 156km further. Now that might not sound like much, but it's 12 laps and 156km more in which something could go wrong. And it's at the end of the race, usually when the engines have been running for nearly 24 hours, so there's more chance of there being a problem. Might not be much of a chance depending upon how the car is built and handled by its drivers and teams, but there's still an increased chance.
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Yeah but look at Sebring. Allot of people say that even though it is 12 hours, it twice as hard. There is allot more time for something to go wrong in a 24 hour race but a race track like Sebring brings epic punishment to the cars.
I feel the Audi is now a second rate car. The only way they will win is if the Peugeot has a DNF. That's it.
They are too fast, too organized, and they are getting to the level of experience as audi but all in all. The 908 is much better than the R10.
+ To Do You Race:
You cant compare the 908 to a 905. The entire car is different and the regulations of Group C1 vs modern LMP1 are way different on every level.
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I'm not comparing the 905 to the 908. I'm saying Peugeot know how to win at Le Mans. Sure, the regulations have changed since 1992, but I imagine that the ethos you would need when appoaching the race hasn't differentiated much since the modern era of the Le Mans 24hr event. Formula One teams go from event to event with the same mindset. The V8 Supercar teams approach the Bathurst 1000km race the same way each year. Why should Le Mans be any different just because it's longer?
And I'm afraid I'm not seeing what you mean in saying this year's Sebring 12hr suggests Audi's time is over, unless you're referring to completely different event or your point is that Audi is stronger than Peugeot in the reliability department (but if Sebring is more demanding on the cars than La Sarthe, the argument is moot point). Yes, Audi were defeated for the first time in nine years, but at the hands of Porsche. Both works Audis finished the race first and second in their class; third and sixth on the road. The lone Peugeot entry finished in fourth, eleventh on the road and fifteen laps behind the second Audi and thirty-three behind the class winner.
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what i meant with sebring had nothing to due with the finishers. It had to do with your comment about a 1000k race vs LeMans. All there is at Lemans is more time for things to go wrong but if they were racing at spa for 24 hours it wouldn't be as many cars finishing. LeMans is pretty simple of a race track relative to others in the world.
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Guys, guys. Just remember this, if Peugeot is faster than the Audi during the race, they will eventually run into problem. Like last year, they we faster than the Audi in both qualifying and the race (IIRC anyways) But one of the Peugeot ran into a problem and had to spend a few minutes/hours in the pits to repair the car while the Audi kept a constant pace without any reliability issues. Also, I don't really know if its true, but the Audi is more fuel efficient than the Peugeot and Audi can run 2-3 laps more than the Peugeot in the race. But man..... I wish Peugeot could actually win in the hands of Jacque Villeneuve, so he would finally achieve his dream. 👍
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When I made the 1000km comment, I was suggesting that it was stupid to try and gauge how cars would perform over twenty-four hours by judging how the did on a circuit that was completely different and over a fifth of the distance. It's like saying all apples are green because the only apples in the store are that colour. Might not be much of a metaphor, but in my defence I've been working all day, it's 12:45 in the morning and I'm forcing myself to stay awake because when the people on my floor get back, they'll be noisy, and they can't wake me up if I was never asleep.
Well, I guess the only analogy I can make is likening it to the old Mini vs. Mustang races at Bathurst. Might seem cruel to pit Minis against bigger and faster cars in a race that featured the longest straight in Australian motorsport, but what the Minis lacked in speed, they made up for in the turns, so it was very close racing.
Or so I'm told; it was before my time.
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I couldn't remember Peugeot being faster on the track. They were mixed up with Audi after qualifying, but during the race both Peugeots were overtaken by the Audis which were going at a heck of a pace...
I'm still going for Peugeot though. They've always been fast, but this year they were running like crazy, the car has been running so much distance that the reliability is pretty much there at the moment. In my opinion, Audi cannot rely on their reliability as they weren't spared from problems either last year...
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Whatever happens, I think it will be a close race. I don't have much intention of paying the diesel class any attention until the end of the race. That might prove difficult but I'll do my best. I want to see how well the petrol class does.
And of course the GT classes. The Larbre Saleen came second in the Test day in the hands of Christophe Bouchut (who incidentally drove for Peugeot back in th eearly 90s in the 905s). I hope the Saleens can last and finally bring the challenge to the Corvettes and DBR9s they were robbed of doing because they didn't build enough.
And of course the GT classes. The Larbre Saleen came second in the Test day in the hands of Christophe Bouchut (who incidentally drove for Peugeot back in th eearly 90s in the 905s). I hope the Saleens can last and finally bring the challenge to the Corvettes and DBR9s they were robbed of doing because they didn't build enough.
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+1
I cannot remember Saleen challenging Aston Martin and Chevrolet for the last time... It would be even greater though to see some old Viper GTS-R's and some Maserati MC12's mixed up in the pack as well...
However, am I the only one really looking forward to see the Epsilon Euskadi and the Dome S102 on the track, challenging other teams? Ever since images, I cannot wait to see them live. Same goes for the LMP2's, those are probably my favourit cars to follow 👍
I cannot remember Saleen challenging Aston Martin and Chevrolet for the last time... It would be even greater though to see some old Viper GTS-R's and some Maserati MC12's mixed up in the pack as well...
However, am I the only one really looking forward to see the Epsilon Euskadi and the Dome S102 on the track, challenging other teams? Ever since images, I cannot wait to see them live. Same goes for the LMP2's, those are probably my favourit cars to follow 👍
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who's listening to RadioLemans right now?
They have the Group C car qualifying for their race and i was wondering if there is a video stream from somewhere....its incredible.
You can hear the Porsche 962, Mazda 757, and the Sauber Mercedes C9 and the Mustang Probe from Imsa.
They have the Group C car qualifying for their race and i was wondering if there is a video stream from somewhere....its incredible.
You can hear the Porsche 962, Mazda 757, and the Sauber Mercedes C9 and the Mustang Probe from Imsa.
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I'm paying Virgin for cable telly, but it's their basic package that I've got.
- 793
Found on another forum
I found this for quali now:
mms://ulswmod015.bcst.uls.yahoo.com/slot010?StreamID=66220936&pl_auth=744b77ad02204656 fca8f4fcdedc4158&ht=30&b=4i1sgtt44172248515940&CG_ ID=1605391&s=2023392747&br=300&mid=8252169&nid=825 3766&pg=MTcwNDAwOTIwNjQ4NTAyZj&q=b8383bbd4cdb82d10 49e8c&sl=86400&so=%252Feseurosport%252Feseurosport %252Flive%252Fvideo%252FES-24hLeMansQualifyinground-110608-22h
open in VLC...
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I found this for quali now:
mms://ulswmod015.bcst.uls.yahoo.com/slot010?StreamID=66220936&pl_auth=744b77ad02204656 fca8f4fcdedc4158&ht=30&b=4i1sgtt44172248515940&CG_ ID=1605391&s=2023392747&br=300&mid=8252169&nid=825 3766&pg=MTcwNDAwOTIwNjQ4NTAyZj&q=b8383bbd4cdb82d10 49e8c&sl=86400&so=%252Feseurosport%252Feseurosport %252Flive%252Fvideo%252FES-24hLeMansQualifyinground-110608-22h
open in VLC...
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Who do you open that in VLC?
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- bramturismo
Thanks alot! 👍
However, are they streaming this as well during the race? Because at the moment this is the only option for me to follow the race. Too bad Motors TV doesn't get to broadcast though, I loved that I was able to follow the race for so many hours last year
On that, Dome looks amazing, no sign of my other favourit yet, Porsche kicks ass when it comes to engine sounds, and the Corvette's roaring is so agressive!
*EDIT* Peugeot running under 3'18
Wow, goodbye Audi!- 793
Ok guess i need help.
I have a vista laptop and when i try to hit that link.....
My computer says
"Windows Media Player cannot play the file because the specified protocol is not supported. If you typed a URL in the Open URL dialog box, try using a different transport protocol (for example, "http:" or "rtsp:")."
When i open the Radio Lemans broadcast it goes to WMP and just says ready when i hit play......doesn't buffer connent to media or anything.
Is there a way to open it in VLC?
man i hate being bad with computers.
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Ok guess i need help.
I have a vista laptop and when i try to hit that link.....
My computer says
"Windows Media Player cannot play the file because the specified protocol is not supported. If you typed a URL in the Open URL dialog box, try using a different transport protocol (for example, "http:" or "rtsp:")."
When i open the Radio Lemans broadcast it goes to WMP and just says ready when i hit play......doesn't buffer connent to media or anything.
Is there a way to open it in VLC?
man i hate being bad with computers.
It's not you, that's just Vista that sucks. I'm running XP with the efault Media Player (9?), and it runs perfect for me 👍
McLaren
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If it isn't working, you can try this link.
http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplayl...fyinground-110608-22h&sdm=&pt=&tcode=&audio=0
http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplayl...fyinground-110608-22h&sdm=&pt=&tcode=&audio=0
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McLaren
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Well, I think their chances just got a damper put on them as I think one of the Peugeots just went off.
EDIT* Aston & Creation both just hit problems.
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nothing seems to work, i called Toshiba tech support and he wants me to do a full system restore 
I guess ill watch with the xp craptop then.
btw.....it is all streams, i cant even get radio lemans!
I guess ill watch with the xp craptop then.
btw.....it is all streams, i cant even get radio lemans!
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That's because during the race the R10 was consistently faster. I think it was about 1 or 2 seconds per lap.
I hope the Peugeots suffer some problems to make the race more interesting.
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Bingo. But it won't be like that this year though... Even if one
peugeot's down, there are still 2 left.
