2008 Supra Return? Plus recent news on the Le Mans Audi.
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It's all re-develoment, now the Japanese supercars are set to take on the rest of the worlds instead of being limited by a now non-existang gentlemans agreement. They want to make sure that enough time has been used for development and testing to make the next round of Japanese rockets compete with Porsche's, Ferrari's and Lambo's ect as they drive out of the factory and at the same time they want them to have similar levels of quality too with the interiors and materials used. It's all for R&D.
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Enjoy they news fellas. http://jdmstyletuning.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2890
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eliseracerSo far so good. Don't mess it up Toyota.
THAT is why it will fail. NSX x2 And in my opinion they will ruin the Supra name--they should just release a V8 RWD car under a Lexus name and leave i at that. Hell, that would probably sell more in the USA than the $100,000 Supra. That's an increase of about $50,000 in the price--rediculous unless I'm reading it wrong...if I am disregard this post.
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Thanks for this information, Mdnite (I personally hate mixed caps and typing up words with numbers and letters (for example: instead of "hardcore," spelled as "4ardc0r3")). As far as this Supra deal goes, I don't like the front too much, especially the front grill and maybe the front bumper completely. I'd prefer a clean design like the MKIV Supra had. Speaking of clean design, the sides and rear look very nice. I know Toyota's trying to crack into the super sports car market, but I don't think they should do it at the expense of their affordable and functional daily drivers and weekend racers. This Supra is going to sell as long as there's a great amount of support for it and if it can deliver more or just about like the MKIV Supra. If it doesn't deliver, people will be like "Why, Toyota Why?" I usually am concerned with looks first, then horsepower and performance. They say first impressions matter most. And the first impression you'll normally get is looks. That also applies to getting jobs or meeting lovers or friends. So I'd improve the looks up front. As with most cars, keep the side and rear looks alone and just make the front either more elegant or more eye-catching. If they want a sports car, the machine has to be at least eye-catching. And to me, this is about 85%, with the front grill and bumper taking away. I believe this will be the first-ever Supra with a convertible variation.
So, fix up the front and that 15% disapproval will be forgiven. By the way, the headlights can stay.
So, fix up the front and that 15% disapproval will be forgiven. By the way, the headlights can stay.
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the back of the supra is ok, but i really hope they change the styling of the front. It's very 
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I couldn't see the Supra coming back as a V8, mainly due to the Japan market place. I hope the Supra does retain some of its styling from the previous generation, but I could see it going through some major changes, just as it went through major changes through the previous generations. A simple look at a 1988 next to a 1996 model will only begin to show you how drastic of a change we could expect.
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I think when you go for a V8 formula, the car will likely cost more on the engine alone. Add turbo to it, and it costs even more. Make it a twin-turbo, and it costs even more more. I'm not knocking the Supra when I say that I wouldn't really want to see a V8 Supra. I love the Supra. I guess I'm thinking that some of Japan's hottest cars from the past decade were expensive, but not Ferrari or Porsche expensive. The awesome Mitsubishi 3000GT had that twin turbo V6 and costed about maybe $42K. The R34 Skylines costed about $50K in US Dollars (I believe). And let's not forget the Mazda RX-7. Back in the original Need for Speed games, the RX-7 was told to be about $33K, calling it an "affordable exotic."
Now, we got this GT-R proto and V8'ed Supra which will likely make them supercars rather than moderately-expensive sports cars. I bet this is the way things are now after this "gentleman's agreement" has been lifted. Call me crazy, but I'd still want to see "entry-level" versions of these hot sports cars. At best, engine power can be around 300, maybe less. My concern is more about affordability. I don't want these hot Japanese sports cars to be more expensive than they were in the 90s. They should still be accessible to those who have enough money. If they can, maybe costs around $35K to 50K is a sizable limit. But they go to Lexus SC430 prices, not many will want one of these badasses.
What do you think about the price issue? Also, what do you think about a V8 Supra?
Now, we got this GT-R proto and V8'ed Supra which will likely make them supercars rather than moderately-expensive sports cars. I bet this is the way things are now after this "gentleman's agreement" has been lifted. Call me crazy, but I'd still want to see "entry-level" versions of these hot sports cars. At best, engine power can be around 300, maybe less. My concern is more about affordability. I don't want these hot Japanese sports cars to be more expensive than they were in the 90s. They should still be accessible to those who have enough money. If they can, maybe costs around $35K to 50K is a sizable limit. But they go to Lexus SC430 prices, not many will want one of these badasses.
What do you think about the price issue? Also, what do you think about a V8 Supra?
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*Let me make it known right now that I am not (in most circumstances) a Japanese sports car fan...
That said, I do think that there is indeed a market for the return of the Supra given the success of the 350Z/G35 Coupe, RX8, and S2000. But, if Toyota is going to do it they need to build a car that enthusiests will want to drive. That means they are going to have to limit the computer controls, take out the electronic nannies, and let the car be as wild as it needs to.
That said, they are going to have to have a wide variety of models, and the current state of Toyota may not allow that. To have a Supra be truely successful here in the US, they are going to have to target cars like the Mustang GT and upcomming Chevrolet Camaro to get the most sales possible. That means there are going to have to be some fast cars for right around $30K, and that might be hard for the Toyota bean-counters to work out.
...If Toyota is going to go with a V8 in a Supra, are they going to use a street version of teir JGTC V8? Or would they be smart enough to use the new 5.7L iFORCE V8 out of the 2007 Tundra?
Still, I would need a lot of convincing before I ever went to a Toyota dealer looking for a Supra. With cars like the Camaro, Mustang, GTO, Corvette, M3, C55, S4, etc all within the general price range of the Supra (taking consideration of inflation from a few years ago till now), all of the vehicles previously mentioned have distinct advantages over the Supra: Price, performance, and reputation...
That said, I do think that there is indeed a market for the return of the Supra given the success of the 350Z/G35 Coupe, RX8, and S2000. But, if Toyota is going to do it they need to build a car that enthusiests will want to drive. That means they are going to have to limit the computer controls, take out the electronic nannies, and let the car be as wild as it needs to.
That said, they are going to have to have a wide variety of models, and the current state of Toyota may not allow that. To have a Supra be truely successful here in the US, they are going to have to target cars like the Mustang GT and upcomming Chevrolet Camaro to get the most sales possible. That means there are going to have to be some fast cars for right around $30K, and that might be hard for the Toyota bean-counters to work out.
...If Toyota is going to go with a V8 in a Supra, are they going to use a street version of teir JGTC V8? Or would they be smart enough to use the new 5.7L iFORCE V8 out of the 2007 Tundra?
Still, I would need a lot of convincing before I ever went to a Toyota dealer looking for a Supra. With cars like the Camaro, Mustang, GTO, Corvette, M3, C55, S4, etc all within the general price range of the Supra (taking consideration of inflation from a few years ago till now), all of the vehicles previously mentioned have distinct advantages over the Supra: Price, performance, and reputation...
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I'd say the M3, C55, and S4 aren't in the same market... it's more of the Camaro, Mustang, Challenger (the GTO is dead 
) and the 350Z that share the market niche. A low priced V6 or V8 Supra would fit in well with this crowd, as this is the same crowd that the original competed with before gas prices killed it.
But if Toyota is really going to go Lexus with the Supra replacement, then we're talking M3, S4 and C55... and in that crowd, Lexus just doesn't have the cachet to cut it.
I have no doubt that Toyota has the ability to create a car with the proper performance, but a Lexus version would likely be hindered by those overbearing nannies all Lexii and Mercs seem to have nowadays.
And either version would be hindered by Toyota's absolute inability to create a focused and exciting design.
Everything's cheaper than the Europeans.
I don't doubt Toyota can make a screaming V6 or V8... and if an 8 isn't produced in V-configuration, what would you produce it in?
) and the 350Z that share the market niche. A low priced V6 or V8 Supra would fit in well with this crowd, as this is the same crowd that the original competed with before gas prices killed it.But if Toyota is really going to go Lexus with the Supra replacement, then we're talking M3, S4 and C55... and in that crowd, Lexus just doesn't have the cachet to cut it.
I have no doubt that Toyota has the ability to create a car with the proper performance, but a Lexus version would likely be hindered by those overbearing nannies all Lexii and Mercs seem to have nowadays.
And either version would be hindered by Toyota's absolute inability to create a focused and exciting design.
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Everything's cheaper than the Europeans.
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I don't doubt Toyota can make a screaming V6 or V8... and if an 8 isn't produced in V-configuration, what would you produce it in?
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Shoot, if Toyota really wanted to make their own exclusive exotic, they'd probably make that Toyota Alessandro Volta concept car into a production car. I did an old thread on it, and it was an exotic car that uses some hybrid power. I think with electronic motors at the wheels or something, the car was pushing about 400hp total, and comes in four-wheel drive. It was created in conjunction with Italdesign. For more information and pictures, check this out:
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/volta.html
The 1990s came and went, huh? I normally think the Mitsubishi 3000GT was my personal favorite Japanese sports car, along with the MKIV Supra. Other favorites among people included the Nissan 300ZX, Mazda RX-7, and some even the Honda/Acura NSX. I would like to think that performance costs money, and these autos are no different. Maybe Toyota and Nissan are stepping up with their hot sports cars. Both the Skyline (V35, I know) and the Supra should extend their long rivalry once both high-performance models are introduced. It's safe to say that these could be the most powerful, commercially-available variants in both marques respective histories.
http://www.toyota.com/vehicles/future/volta.html
The 1990s came and went, huh? I normally think the Mitsubishi 3000GT was my personal favorite Japanese sports car, along with the MKIV Supra. Other favorites among people included the Nissan 300ZX, Mazda RX-7, and some even the Honda/Acura NSX. I would like to think that performance costs money, and these autos are no different. Maybe Toyota and Nissan are stepping up with their hot sports cars. Both the Skyline (V35, I know) and the Supra should extend their long rivalry once both high-performance models are introduced. It's safe to say that these could be the most powerful, commercially-available variants in both marques respective histories.
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Yeah, the '90s are over and the only Japanese supercar to come out of it was the NSX. Sure, we have the 350Z and RX8 now, but they are completely different animals when compared to their predecessors.
By todays standards, the Supra would have been an overpriced underperforming car that would only recieve credit for it's good looks (although I'm not in that camp) and rather fat powerband.
The Pontiac GTO would have been this new Supra's greatest enemy, but with the new Camaro due in 2008, and the Pontiac Firebird (or maybe the GTO?) due in 2009, we could have a great title-fight on our hands in the next few years.
By todays standards, the Supra would have been an overpriced underperforming car that would only recieve credit for it's good looks (although I'm not in that camp) and rather fat powerband.
The Pontiac GTO would have been this new Supra's greatest enemy, but with the new Camaro due in 2008, and the Pontiac Firebird (or maybe the GTO?) due in 2009, we could have a great title-fight on our hands in the next few years.
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Good for toyota.
There is a possibility that we could see three levels of Japanese performance cars.
The true japanese supercars would be 100k plus like the Honda NSX (V10) and Lexus LF-A (V10).
Then youd have the Nissan/Infiniti GTR (TT V6) and Toyota Supra (V8) fighting the 911 and AM V8 as upscale sports cars.
And youd still have your affordable sports cars like the Nissan 350Z, Mazda RX8 and Honda S2000.
I think that would be great (great for Gran turismo as well).
There is a possibility that we could see three levels of Japanese performance cars.
The true japanese supercars would be 100k plus like the Honda NSX (V10) and Lexus LF-A (V10).
Then youd have the Nissan/Infiniti GTR (TT V6) and Toyota Supra (V8) fighting the 911 and AM V8 as upscale sports cars.
And youd still have your affordable sports cars like the Nissan 350Z, Mazda RX8 and Honda S2000.
I think that would be great (great for Gran turismo as well).
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Now that looks a ton better!
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I wouldnt put the GTR or Supra necessiarily in direct competition with cars like the Aston Martin V8 Vantage or DB9, thats a bit TOO high-class for a Japanese car. Considering that the target price range for the GTR (and presumably a competing Supra) would be about $70,000, they would find themselves targeting cars like the Corvette (and Z06), SVT Shelby GT500, Cayman S, Exige, M3, S4, etc.
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Performance wise the Sagaris is too track based which shows when compared to much more expensive cars, it'll probably be more along the lines of the Tuscan 2. I don't think the new Supra will be after the Z06 either, but at the momoent this entire post is 100% speculation, so I'll wait until we have solid info on the car.
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