2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[Tornado]

Top speed, yes. It runs out of room (in terms of RPMs) at the end of 5th Gear at 198 MPH, as 6th Gear is far too tall, and usually slows the car down.

But is that 198MPH at redline or fuel cutoff?

 

[Joey D]

The GTR does however have 2 more seats and a larger trunk.

I love the corvette, and being a huge nissan fan I also love the GTR

Would you really be concerned with that if you were buying either one of these cars? I wouldn't think it mattered, you are buying a sports car, not something you are really going to drive around in every day.

 

[Perfect Balance]

But is that 198MPH at redline or fuel cutoff?

Redline isn't the end of 5th gear, so I'm guessing fuel cutoff.

My Civic has gearing like that, it sucks.

 

[Omnis]

Would you really be concerned with that if you were buying either one of these cars? I wouldn't think it mattered, you are buying a sports car, not something you are really going to drive around in every day.

What? Both are something that you'd drive around in every day.

 

[Joey D]

I don't think you would be driving a Z06 or a GT-R around every single day, I think you would have another mode of transportation for days when it was either really wet, snowy, icy, you had to go on a long road trip, take the kids and their friends somewhere, etc. I just can't see one using those cars as a daily driver 365 days a year, in northern states it would be impossible to.

 

[YSSMAN]

Actually, no. There are two guys near here who drive Corvette Z06s (well, C5 Z06s) to work almost every day. Granted, you won't see them with 3" of snow on the ground, but from April to October or November, they're out there... Rain or shine.

 

[Joey D]

Really? I just wouldn't think anyone would want to drive them around everyday. I've driven Corvettes before and they are far from the most comfortable things to be cruising around in. But like you said they obviously can not drive them when you get a bunch of snow on the ground, but that is what I was saying, in northern states it is quite impossible to driver 365 days a year because you are going to get nicked with some heavy snow fall at some point.

I know how hard it was to drive a low powered RWD lowered Blazer in the snow, I can't imagine a higher horsepower and even lower Corvette must be like.

 

[YSSMAN]

I wouldn't think a C5 would be too hard to live with every day, I thought the seats and the driving position was just about right. I haven't driven a C6 (better yet, a C6.5) yet, but I imagine that its greatly improved.

 

[Jim Prower]

Yeah, and, actually, the GT-R has that all-weather capability, like I've said before. I imagine it'd make a nice daily...if it's reliable.

 

[forza2.0]

I don't think you would be driving a Z06 or a GT-R around every single day, I think you would have another mode of transportation for days when it was either really wet, snowy, icy, you had to go on a long road trip, take the kids and their friends somewhere, etc. I just can't see one using those cars as a daily driver 365 days a year, in northern states it would be impossible to.

Now you know why porsche sells so many 911's. They can do all those things

 

[Joey D]

Yeah, and, actually, the GT-R has that all-weather capability, like I've said before. I imagine it'd make a nice daily...if it's reliable.

An all-weather daily driver needs to have something more then AWD. I really don't think you could drive the GT-R or would really want to drive it every single day. A lot of things come into play, ride height, comfort, fuel economy, space inside, the ease in which it is to drive.

 

[SagarisGTB]

I had no idea that the "Soarer" was even associated with "performance" whatsoever... I'd be willing to bet that the GT-R wouldn't have too much of a problem eating the competition alive. Although, wasn't someone running a Ford GT and a Corvette at one time as well? I'm probably mistaken... I'm probably thinking of the US Trans-Am series?

You could say the same thing about the DB9, most high class race cars are so highly modified, it really doesnt matter anymore. And Super GT cars are more "silhouette" than Lemans GT1 anyway.

And its highly unlikely the GT-R will dominate though, all three factory backed teams have always been somewhat even. Its undeniable though that the NSX is currently strongest, the ARTA clinched the title with a race to go and NSXs are 1,2,4 and 6th.

As for the GT and corvette, they were privateer slugs in the GT300 class. While privateers have albsolutely no chance in GT500, GT300 is more of a privateer class, but it still takes a bit of money to be competitive.

 

[Tornado]

I really don't think you could drive the GT-R or would really want to drive it every single day.

I personally know someone who drive a Corvette every single day, and I'm sure a good majority of Corvette owners (and Porsche owners) do the same. You seem to forget that it doesn't snow everywhere in the U.S. during the winter months, as well.

 

[YSSMAN]

As we're discussing driveability of the GT-R, it would be interesting to know what the projected fuel economy is on a car like that. I honestly can't imagine it being any better than that of the Z06, which I believe still dodges the gas-guzzler tax...

 

[forza2.0]

I personally know someone who drive a Corvette every single day, and I'm sure a good majority of Corvette owners (and Porsche owners) do the same. You seem to forget that it doesn't snow everywhere in the U.S. during the winter months, as well.

I recall a story that is widely known on the web to which a member here can personally testify to.

The man in question is rather wealthy, and he used to own a R34 GT-R Nurb. Anyway he said he was racing on the 'ring in the winter, thinking he was it and a bag of chips in his highly tuned skyline. Anyway he was racing around when all of a sudden a porsche 911 overtakes him, on the outside, in the wet/snow leaving the two fattest tire marks he has every seen as he got overtaken. Once he got back to england he put his GT-R on sale and put down a deposit on a GT3. He said the GT3 is in a completely different league for a drivers car. Ex M3 now 911 owners all say the same also. I dont think this GT-R will be all that special. Ir certainly wont live up to the hype.

 

[Greycap]

I dont think this GT-R will be all that special. Ir certainly wont live up to the hype.

Special in being a good car for its price? To the hype of being a very fast car that can be used as a daily driver? It seems many people will just see the GT-R failing, no matter how good it is. Being a GT-R fanboy is thought to be ridiculous, but how is being an anti-GT-R fanboy any better?

And about driving the GT-R in slippery conditions, oh well. Think about trying to get it going from an uphill start on an icy road with loose snow on the ice. Yes, some of us live in conditions like that. I bet the GT-R will get moving without too much fuss, there will be no shortage of grip thanks to the four wheel drive. Now do the same thing with any two wheel drive car (without TCS of course) and it takes significantly more attention.

Last but not the least, spending about $40.000 - the difference between it and the GT3 - to improve the GT-R would probably make it quite a bit better than the Porsche. You don't compare Daewoos to BMW's either, do you?

 

[forza2.0]

The GT-R is being hyped up at being much better than all its compeititors and being second only to god. Its bound to fail at living up to the hype. Its been built up too much, thats all im saying.

P.S

Price difference between the GTR and GT3 in the UK will be about £10 grand. Also in some sport auto tests the porsches worked magic racing in the snow, only bested by a certain audi.

 

[Joey D]

I personally know someone who drive a Corvette every single day, and I'm sure a good majority of Corvette owners (and Porsche owners) do the same. You seem to forget that it doesn't snow everywhere in the U.S. during the winter months, as well.

You seem not to read my entire posts, I said it would be quite impossible in northern states. I personally think it's not the norm for sports cars owners to use them in a daily situation. I would honestly like to see someone pack a weeks worth of groceries into a GT-R, Z06, whatever.

 

[Tornado]

You seem not to read my entire posts, I said it would be quite impossible in northern states.

Where do I live, Joey? Because the person I personally know lives in the same place as I do. And its hardly "impossible" to drive a RWD car on snow anyways, so what is your point?

I personally think it's not the norm for sports cars owners to use them in a daily situation.

And I'm telling you that they can very easily do it. Assuming you don't have kids, or need to ferry about absurdly large items (which, surprisingly enough, a large portion of Corvette and Porsche owners fit in those two categories) Corvettes and Porsches are easily able to be used daily.

I would honestly like to see someone pack a weeks worth of groceries into a GT-R, Z06, whatever.

If there is enough room in a car for golf bags (and I can't imagine the Z06 being terribly disadvantaged compared to the normal C6), there is easily enough room in a car for groceries. And using a car daily does not mean the same as "using it for everything."

 

[Joey D]

You do not own one, neither do I, so we can not say for sure. I personally do not think a majority of people would use them every day, I don't think you can use them in the snow all that well, and I don't think you could fit a large amount of stuff in them.

Also it's not that you can't drive a a RWD car in the snow, it's the ride height. My truck is low-ish and I have a problem if we get more then 4 inches...which happens quite a bit in northern state.

Why must you argue and just not accept people's opinions? I clearly said I do not believe one could do these things with a sports car. Are there people who do? I'm sure there are but I do not feel that it's the norm. But whatever it's not important.

 

[Leonidae]

I recall a story that is widely known on the web to which a member here can personally testify to.

The man in question is rather wealthy, and he used to own a R34 GT-R Nurb. Anyway he said he was racing on the 'ring in the winter, thinking he was it and a bag of chips in his highly tuned skyline. Anyway he was racing around when all of a sudden a porsche 911 overtakes him, on the outside, in the wet/snow leaving the two fattest tire marks he has every seen as he got overtaken. Once he got back to england he put his GT-R on sale and put down a deposit on a GT3. He said the GT3 is in a completely different league for a drivers car. Ex M3 now 911 owners all say the same also. I dont think this GT-R will be all that special. Ir certainly wont live up to the hype.

The GT-R is being hyped up at being much better than all its compeititors and being second only to god. Its bound to fail at living up to the hype. Its been built up too much, thats all im saying.

P.S

Price difference between the GTR and GT3 in the UK will be about £10 grand. Also in some sport auto tests the porsches worked magic racing in the snow, only bested by a certain audi.

Pics, link or it didn't happen. As far as I'm concerned, you could have pulled that out of your rear end. And that Audi was 4WD, was it not? Besides, 10K£ is easily an amount of money that can turn the tide for the GT-R instead of stripped, loud, uncomfortable trackday special called 911 GT3. And this far there is no solid proof against GT-R, that it isn't as good as Nissan says it is.

 

[Tornado]

I personally do not think a majority of people would use them every day, I don't think you can use them in the snow all that well, and I don't think you could fit a large amount of stuff in them.

Fair enough.

Also it's not that you can't drive a a RWD car in the snow, it's the ride height. My truck is low-ish and I have a problem if we get more then 4 inches...which happens quite a bit in northern state.

So "being impossible to use in winter months" really has nothing to do with what car it is then, you mean. Any car can be made irrelevant when snow gets around 4 inches. It has nothing to do with the fact that these are sports cars.

Why must you argue and just not accept people's opinions?

If you think they don't make good daily drivers compared to normal cars, that's all well and good, and I can agree with that. However, the fact remains that many drivers of cars such as these do in fact use them as such, and they probably will use the GT-R as such as well.

And if that was a blanket statement aimed at my activity in this thread, I merely say learn to pay attention.

 

[skylineGTR_guy]

You seem not to read my entire posts, I said it would be quite impossible in northern states. I personally think it's not the norm for sports cars owners to use them in a daily situation. I would honestly like to see someone pack a weeks worth of groceries into a GT-R, Z06, whatever.

FYI a corvette z06 has 22 cubic feet of cargo room by comparison a 2007 accord v6 2 door has only 12.8
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2007/chevrolet/corvette/100751929/specs.html
http://www.edmunds.com/used/2007/honda/accord/100782961/specs.html

the GTR has 8.3 cubic feet of cargo room. Although it also has some rear seats that can be used for carrying things like groceries.

and as for all weather performance, that was part of the GTR's testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2pb3ZefrSM

 

[Jay]

and as for all weather performance, that was part of the GTR's testing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2pb3ZefrSM

Also one of the interviews I saw with Carlos Ghosn he said one of the goals of the GTR was to make it a car you can drive everyday and in all 'drivable' conditions.

(I'll see if I can find the interview)


EDIT

This video he talks about it alittle bit (you have to listen over the japanese translator sadly)

 

[Joey D]

Cargo space is all well and dandy but one must look at how it is configured. And 22 seems a bit high, but that it what GM claims. I just never thought of the Z06 or any sports car for that matter as something that would have cargo room. 8.3 seems awful low for the GT-R but if that is true, you would barely be able to fit two sets of golf clubs in the car.

Just because they did all weather testing with the car does not mean it is meant or even designed to put up with real world conditions on a snowy night. GM takes all of it's cars up into Canada and does "arctic" testing with them, including the Z06. I think most auto markers put their vehicles though some sort of cold weather testing.

We also have no idea what has been done to the vehicle in the test video, for all we know it could be running on snow tires, after all the fuss that has been caused over poor quality YouTube videos with little or no context I don't think it's a good idea to be showing them.

I still personally do not think a majority of people would use a sports car every day. Even though the car can does not mean people will, or have the skill to do so. Also as I've said numerous times, if the snow gets to deep it will be impossible to drive the vehicle. It is also pretty difficult without the addition of snow tires as well, which isn't really something a large majority of Americans do with their vehicles.

 

[Omnis]

Does anybody else like the black mask GTR better than the all-silver one? I think I'd prefer the car in the silver/black two-tone as it is in the Carlos Ghosn video.

 

[Jim Prower]

I really dont' know...that makes it look like the car has a bra on. which I don't like.

((A car bra. Dont be thinkin' naughty, here...))

On Joey: But people do drive their (less than 100k,) sports cars on a daily basis. Believe me, I see a C5 or C6 driving around on a daily basis.

Notice:
the GT-R probably has no less cargo room than my Nova.
the GT-R would be much better than even my low HP FWD Nova on an icy bridge. with All-season tires. (of course, this means prudent driving techniques, not driving like a B.O.H.)
The GT-R won't be able to go through 4 inches of snow. But most businesses and schools in Central IL. close when the snow gets that deep. You want to drive in that? get a 4x4 pickup or a Jeep. and a plow, for making money. My Nova won't be moving when the snow's that deep, even though it technically has 4 inches of ground clearance, there's drifts...and I'm not talking the tire destroying, sideways kind.
The only reason the majority of people don't drive a sports car daily is because they dont OWN a sports car. Many people in the GT-R's price range, though (60,000-80,000) do. The 911 and Corvette are quite common dailies. 911s are all over Chicagoland. IN fact, I know of an orange 911 (chassis type 911) that is driven regularly around here. and what about Sport Sedans? cheaper sports cars like the WRX?

 

[Joey D]

One must think to them self about how many people own sports cars, and then how many of them actually drive them in the winter. Just because you may see one or two of them doesn't mean every owner or a majority of owners do. I don't disagree there are people out there driving them around, I'm saying it isn't the norm. I can not recall ever seen a Corvette on the road during a snow storm. The only RWD sports cars I see out and about in the snow are Firebirds and Mustangs, driven by younger people who do not have the money to buy something else. My best friend has a 99 Firebird Formula, he puts winter tires on it and still says it's a handful to drive in the snow.

4 inches of snow is nothing, no one closes school or businesses for that around here. I had class when we got a 7 inch snow fall one morning. If my low-ish Blazer had a problem I would have to imagine a lower and more powerful sports car would have even more issues then I was having.

And I do not quite understand what you are saying with this:

The only reason the majority of people don't drive a sports car daily is because they dont OWN a sports car. Many people in the GT-R's price range, though (60,000-80,000) do.

A large majority of people with sporty cars are here have both a winter car and a summer car, it's quite a common thing in this part of Michigan, especially since we have so many wealthy people in the area. Even with sports sedan, at a previous job I had a boss with an M5 and she would drive it from time to time in the winter but if we were going to get snow she would drive a Chevy Silverado. I would say you would be more likely to find someone driving a sports sedan with winter tires in the snow, over someone driving a sports coupe in the snow.

As I've said cargo room is also affected by it's configuration, I haven't seen the boot space of the GT-R yet so I am not sure on how it is laid out, but by looking at the rear of the car I can't assume it's terribly good.

This is all very opinion based though since none of us can do a study to know for sure, so in matter of on-topicness maybe we should get back to Omnis's question about the black mask

 

[forza2.0]

Pics, link or it didn't happen. As far as I'm concerned, you could have pulled that out of your rear end. And that Audi was 4WD, was it not? Besides, 10K£ is easily an amount of money that can turn the tide for the GT-R instead of stripped, loud, uncomfortable trackday special called 911 GT3. And this far there is no solid proof against GT-R, that it isn't as good as Nissan says it is.

His old skyline.

I cant remember his online alias but the guy is pretty well known/popular. Like I said before even members from this site know the guy.

As for the GT3 is not loud and uncomfortable, or a trackday special. The GT3 RS is all that apart from uncomfortable. The 997 GT3 series are meant to be rather comfortable actually.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

The GT3 RS is all that apart from uncomfortable.

the RS is amazing(had a go in one last night on seriously seriously worn R888's and it was only 1-2 seconds a lap slower than it normally ran and about 3-4 seconds off the guys best lap) and that story is easily believeible.Theres a huge difference from a car thats been modified to go fast round a track to a car thats been build to go round a track fast.