2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[forza2.0]

Yep he has a 997 GT3 now. The guys name is blowdog and heres his site with all the performance cars hes ever owned listed.

http://www.blowdog.com/?page_id=90

Edit

Going through blowdogs site shows that he wants to buy a GT-R. Hes compalined about the difficulties hes having though putting down a £10,000 deposit.

Cant wait for the guy to get his GT-R and give his views and comparisons to his GT3. Apparently he also owns the skyline register.

Edit 2

Blowdog himself is sceptical of the GT-Rs alleged performance reading the comments on his porsche site.

 

[Jim Prower]

One must think to them self about how many people own sports cars, and then how many of them actually drive them in the winter. Just because you may see one or two of them doesn't mean every owner or a majority of owners do. I don't disagree there are people out there driving them around, I'm saying it isn't the norm. I can not recall ever seen a Corvette on the road during a snow storm. The only RWD sports cars I see out and about in the snow are Firebirds and Mustangs, driven by younger people who do not have the money to buy something else. My best friend has a 99 Firebird Formula, he puts winter tires on it and still says it's a handful to drive in the snow.

4 inches of snow is nothing, no one closes school or businesses for that around here. I had class when we got a 7 inch snow fall one morning. If my low-ish Blazer had a problem I would have to imagine a lower and more powerful sports car would have even more issues then I was having.

So, obviously, things are a bit different where you live. They dont' allow chains around here because it don't snow as much. It ices really bad, though, and that's a difference.

People do tend to drive around in their 'vettes a bit more around here. I see enough of them daily to verify this. I also see quite a few on dealer lots, so they must be moving them. I guess.

Okay, perhaps they dont drive 'em EVERY day, but most days, they do. on bad days, they drive the wife (or husband's) SUV.

The GT-R has an AWD system, and an engine in the nose of the car (less weight swinging around the back, though, to be fair, Porsche's done an incredible job with the 911) and I'd rather have a GT-R if it began to freezing-rain while I was at work than a Z06 or a Carrera S. I understand that a car becomes irrelivant in deep snow, especially a sports car. Around here, that's snowplow pickup territory: remember, chains not allowed. I'm sure that's beyond your comprehension, northener, but, hey, I'm down south. this is my view.

The further south you go, the more often a sports car gets used as a daily. I'm sure some Hollywooders drive their Ferraris year-round. 'cuz they can.

So many GT-R owners will drive their cars as dailies, and they may be (slightly) more popular in the north thanks to their AWD and engine layout. However, the deep snowbelt is a different story, as you've said, and your 60,000 dollars might as well be spent on a Ford F-450 Power Stroke with all the trimmings. and a Plow.

Hey, Might as well make some side-money, eh?

Oh, you guys, I'll bet, Have much more aggressive snowplows than we do down here. Probably those snowblowers.

 

[Azuremen]

A large majority of people with sporty cars are here have both a winter car and a summer car, it's quite a common thing in this part of Michigan, especially since we have so many wealthy people in the area. Even with sports sedan, at a previous job I had a boss with an M5 and she would drive it from time to time in the winter but if we were going to get snow she would drive a Chevy Silverado. I would say you would be more likely to find someone driving a sports sedan with winter tires in the snow, over someone driving a sports coupe in the snow.

As I've said cargo room is also affected by it's configuration, I haven't seen the boot space of the GT-R yet so I am not sure on how it is laid out, but by looking at the rear of the car I can't assume it's terribly good.

This is all very opinion based though since none of us can do a study to know for sure, so in matter of on-topicness maybe we should get back to Omnis's question about the black mask

I'll toss some feedback into this, having a sporty car and a daily driver. The MR2 does get to go around in the snow, and I can drive it with some decent all seasons. But if there is more than 4 inches of snow, I start snow plowing it, which is no fun. And the only reason I am probably at all comfortable with the car is because I drift it and have a TON of gravel and snow experience already.

Basically, I prefer the Corolla well over the MR2, because I am not going to be as concerned either when I slide into a curb, etc.

I can attest AWD does make many "sport" cars more popular all year round though. I see SVX's driven all year on the same tires, but I never see Corvette's out and such. Far too many people just instantly associate RWD with Death in the snow, and AWD with super amazing happy fun grip time

Ironically, the cars I see stuck the most often or in accidents are Subaru's...

But major areas in the north have large amounts of snow removal equipment, in that studded snow tires and such are generally meaningless after a day or so from when the snow hit the ground...

Unless your are in Seattle, in which case the world ends.

 

[m7ammed]

you got to remember guys that not all of the world have a lot of amount of snow, here we only get rain(sometimes too much where the water would be 20-30cm high) and I used my car for 3+ years , and I've also got it lowered on AC shnitzer springs , so I don't see why an M3 or a 911 or GT-R to have problems in the normal weather conditions , I'm guessing even big trucks and whatever else might find it a bit difficult to drive in extreme conditions such as loads of snow. rain ..etc , on the other hand people might like to buy a sports car as a weekend car. My uncle has Golf has a 2007 R32 as his daily car and a 996 C4 as a weekend car

 

[Joey D]

Honestly do people just not read my posts? I said northern states...not the entire world.

I just can't see one using those cars as a daily driver 365 days a year, in northern states it would be impossible to.

 

[Tornado]

Honestly do people just not read my posts? I said northern states...not the entire world.

Except every time you bring it up your phrase it as if you are talking as if you do mean everywhere, and not "just the North."
And this part in particular belies your specificness:

I don't disagree there are people out there driving them around, I'm saying it isn't the norm.

Because it implicitly implies that it isn't the norm in any location.
Its also not true. Go to Florida, or California. Every 3rd car is a Porsche or a Corvette. Or go to anything south of Pennsylvania, for that matter, and you'll see essentially the same thing.

8.3 seems awful low for the GT-R but if that is true, you would barely be able to fit two sets of golf clubs in the car.

It is also has rear seats, and it also has enough room that 90% of the world does need on a daily basis.

 

[Joey D]

Anyone should be able to decipher that when I was talking about the norm, I'm talking to those in northern states. Are people that oblivious they can't just use what the conversation is about to see what someone is saying? If someone who lived in say southern California said they could use whatever car they like all year around, I would instantly know that they do not have poor weather there and they are able to use it.

But whatever like I said we all should quit bitching about this stuff and just stay on topic. I don't think you can, other think you can. Agree to disagree...unless of course you think the internet is serious business.

 

[Greycap]

One more nail to the coffin of the "sports cars can not be used as daily drivers in north" case... first hand experience this time. One of my work colleagues couldn't get her car to start up this morning thanks to the cold so she took her boyfriend's C5 Corvette and drove it instead. The temperature at -11°C, some snow on the ground. So much for that theory.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

One more nail to the coffin of the "sports cars can not be used as daily drivers in north" case... first hand experience this time. One of my work colleagues couldn't get her car to start up this morning thanks to the cold so she took her boyfriend's C5 Corvette and drove it instead. The temperature at -11°C, some snow on the ground. So much for that theory.

so one time out of?

 

[Greycap]

If it can be done once, what prevents it from being done 500 times? You guessed it, nothing.

Is this one more "I've decided it can't be done so it can't be done" case? I just posted pretty good evidence about the capabilities of a sports car as a daily driver even in winter conditions. Why is it that hard to admit that it's possible? Because some people here would have to admit they were wrong? Sheesh.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

If it can be done once, what prevents it from being done 500 times? You guessed it, nothing.

Is this one more "I've decided it can't be done so it can't be done" case? I just posted pretty good evidence about the capabilities of a sports car as a daily driver even in winter conditions. Why is it that hard to admit that it's possible? Because some people here would have to admit they were wrong? Sheesh.

back track ive never said it isnt possible but you are using edvidence of a one time thing then trying to blanket it? there is no snow in that picture which from what ive read the debate was about.also with it being a sports car it would have been kept in a garage rather than left on the street as a normal daily driver would have been.leave that outside all the time i can pretty much guarantee that wouldnt have started ether.

no doubt with it being a woman she used emotional blackmail to borrow it when he said to use the bus

 

[Azuremen]

If it can be done once, what prevents it from being done 500 times? You guessed it, nothing.

Is this one more "I've decided it can't be done so it can't be done" case? I just posted pretty good evidence about the capabilities of a sports car as a daily driver even in winter conditions. Why is it that hard to admit that it's possible? Because some people here would have to admit they were wrong? Sheesh.

I don't think anyone said its impossible. Its quite possible, look at my post regarding my MR2.

Its just not smart or common practice. That is what most of the debating in the thread has been about.

And using a one time personal experience to try to blanket a much larger thing does not make for a convincing argument.

 

[Greycap]

back track ive never said it isnt possible but you are using edvidence of a one time thing then trying to blanket it? there is no snow in that picture which from what ive read the debate was about.

Don't you know what snow is or don't you want to see it? It's that white stuff on the ground, you know. That can be seen in multiple places on the picture, for example on a large portion of the junction. The next thing you'll say, "but there is no snow on the actual driving lane". So? There may not be snow on the driving lanes even if there is 30cm of snow elsewhere, that's what snowploughs are for. I said there is "some snow" on the ground and look, there really is some snow on the ground.

also with it being a sports car it would have been kept in a garage rather than left on the street as a normal daily driver would have been.leave that outside all the time i can pretty much guarantee that wouldnt have started ether.

I don't know about your country, but in Finland quite a lot of people keep their daily drivers in garages too. If you've ever had to wipe 10cm of snow off the windows, only to find out that there is a thick layer of ice on the glass and then scrape it off too, you'll understand why. Do that every day and having a garage begins to sound like a good idea.

no doubt with it being a woman she used emotional blackmail to borrow it when he said to use the bus

Does it matter? It doesn't change the fact that she drove the Corvette some twenty miles to work and twenty miles back home. In winter conditions. And that's what we're trying to debate here.

As I said, it doesn't seem to be so much about if it's possible, but a few people thinking it's not smart to do. It may not be smart to do, but there are still people who do it.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

As I said, it doesn't seem to be so much about if it's possible, but a few people thinking it's not smart to do. It may not be smart to do, but there are still people who do it.

but your forgetting that she didnt do it through choice,you stated her car wouldnt start therefore her choice of what car to take was limited to the corvette.given the choice i doubt most people would use a sports car as a daily driver.

It's that white stuff on the ground, you know

looks like alot of frost to me then again i might be wrong i mean scotland is known for its tropical weather......

 

[Dave A]

It really is something that would change car to car, some sport cars can cope better with bad weather, some can hardly cope at all. You CAN use a TVR in the wet, but you probably wouldn't want to make a habit out of it. Here in Manchester we have bad weather, not extreme weather, but bad. I still see a lot of Lambo's, Porsche's, Ferrari's and what not. I see plenty of TVR's too, but only on dry days.

 

[Tornado]

but your forgetting that she didnt do it through choice,you stated her car wouldnt start therefore her choice of what car to take was limited to the corvette.given the choice i doubt most people would use a sports car as a daily driver.

So what? That doesn't mean that they aren't just as capable as some normal cars, or that they are impossible to be used. Both of which have been contended in this thread since the issue was brought up.

so one time out of?

I personally know someone who owns and uses a C5 Corvette convertible year round. And before he went into the Marines, I knew someone who drove a C4 year round as well. And other than the C4 lunching a transmission once, neither of them ever had any problems with their car in any weather. So who is to say these two examples of mass produced, machine built and therefore-very-similar-to-every-other-one-sold cars work any better than their hundreds of thousands of brethren?

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I personally know someone who owns and uses a C5 Corvette convertible year round. And before he went into the Marines, I knew someone who drove a C4 year round as well. And other than the C4 lunching a transmission once, neither of them ever had any problems with their car in any weather. So who is to say these two examples of mass produced, machine built and therefore-very-similar-to-every-other-one-sold cars work any better than their hundreds of thousands of brethren?

good on you.i know people who use murcielago's,599's,slr's,gallardo's and c6 zo6's everyday and they havent had problems ether(except from the gallardo which now has a blown engine) whats your point?

 

[Tornado]

One would think it would be pretty obvious, and if you don't get it I see no point in discussing with you. But thanks for proving your own point wrong.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

One would think it would be pretty obvious, and if you don't get it I see no point in discussing with you. But thanks for proving your own point wrong.

im not grey posted a picture saying that people do use them everyday by posting a picture of a c5 on a frosty day saying it was driven by a girl who borrowed it off her bf where as she doesnt drive it everyday and given the choice always drives another car to work and not the c5,then uses it as a blanket claim to all sportcar owners.

 

[Greycap]

So? My only intention was to prove that it's possible to have a fast sports car as a daily driver in winter conditions. I proved it.

Then you began the usual yada yada about "if she had a choice". Well, in this case she has a choice. But what if there wasn't one? Seeing that it's possible to drive the Corvette in conditions like that, she would drive it every day if needed. And again, we come back to the same result: it is possible to have a sports car as a daily driver. Hell, I wouldn't even drive a Corvette to work every day myself for multiple reasons. But still, it can be done.

And that's what I've been trying to say. This is like talking to the walls.

 

[Tornado]

The C5 Corvette was a massed produced vehicle in the hundred thousand range. The differences from model to model probably varied most in the serial number. There will be very little difference in ability between that Corvette and another Corvette.
Porsches, at least non turbo, non GT3 models, are exactly the same in flexibility as the Corvette is. Maybe a little better because of the fact that Porsches have more precise and better handling, not to mention less power and better weight distribution in the snow (even without AWD).
To think that Nissan would design the GT-R and not allow it to be as usable as a daily driver than the Corvette or Carrera, in any weather, is laughable. Whether one would choose it over a normal car is not the issue we are debating.


Furthermore, you can buy 400BHP+ sedans and large coupes for pretty low money these days. Are those used in intense weather? What about Evos and STis?

 

[Joey D]

You guys are seriously still on about this, is thread even about the GT-R anymore?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Pot. Kettle. Black?

I think everyone is avoiding a happy medium in the argument here. While some people do use sports cars as everyday drivers in fairly unpleasant weather locales, most people still do not (I've noticed half of the used 350Z's and Miata's in this area are garaged in the winter, nevermind Vettes and 911's). However, modern sports cars are designed to at least handle said weather, which seems to be lost on some people here. The GT-R was always an all-weather sports car, to think that because it's jumped up a level or two it will only function in perfect conditions is absurd. A 997 Turbo can easily cope with snow, probably more so than your average econo-box (I can attest to Integras being crap in snow), and the new GT-R probably is right around that car's abilities, just like it is with everything else. Why is it so hard to believe a 480hp Nissan with 4WD and pretty even weight distrubution will be acceptable in the snow? Are people that set in their minds that it will fail that they refuse to think rationally?

 

[Joey D]

I've tried on several different occasions to get it back on topic after only a few off topic posts, which is how it should be....any way lets try this one more time.

I don't really think it will even be an issue with the GT-R in the states, how many are even coming here? If I can remember correctly we aren't getting very many of them, which I don't think is a good idea, I mean if Motor Trend hails it as a Corvette killer (it isn't it, but whatever) wouldn't it make sense to bring more to the states?

I'll be curious to see what happens when it comes to sales.

 

[YSSMAN]

I imagine we'll still get 5000 or less a year, if even that. Maybe even closer to AMG-levels, like 1500 or less. This being said, I don't think they will have much of a problem selling them every year, but overall, I can't imagine the demand being all that high... "Corvette Killer" (while being more expensive than a 'Vette) or not...

 

[Tornado]

You guys are seriously still on about this, is thread even about the GT-R anymore?

So what you are saying is, when you end a discussion no one else is allowed to voice there say in it? Good to know.

 

[Leonidae]

Chuck Norris retired, GT-R kicked his 🤬 Just for s..

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Chuck Norris retired, GT-R kicked his 🤬 Just for s..

i heard GTR owners need the extra space for thier egos....

 

[m7ammed]

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

says that GT-R had slicks for its 7:38 run

 

[TheCracker]

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

says that GT-R had slicks for its 7:38 run

Slicks must be worth, at the very least, 10 seconds a lap at The Ring.