Apologies if I haven't read every post in a 38-page thread. Care to point me in the direction of "proof" that an R34 is slower than a Cobalt around the track?
A quick look around the 'net shows even the R33 broke the 8-min mark. It wasn't "official" though, since the car didn't have the speed limiter the UK cars had. I don't understand that, because everywhere else in the world the limiter wasn't equipped. So I would still consider that a rough indicator of what the car can do.
Further on, if a stock 997S can lap under 8-min, and the 997 Turbo does it in 7'40 as the GT-R benchmark, the Nissan must be closer to the latter if they're spending so much effort comparing to that car. I am using common sense here; a car with the the GT-R's specs shouldn't have trouble breaking the 8-min mark if many other lesser-performing cars can do it. Common sense isn't automatically favouring a car because its German.
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Since when can a cobalt do the 'ring in under 8 mins 30?
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The R33 never broke the 8 min mark. Nissan lied again. All tests my car mags couldnt make that thing get anywhere near 8 mins. The same goes for the R34.
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A stock 997S can do it in under 8 mins? That is definetly news to me. Going by my sources it cannot break the 8 min mark.
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How do you know the GTR shouldnt have trouble beating lesser performing cars when you dont know for certain if those "lesser" cars are indeed "lesser" ?
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Common sense tells me a car weighing in at over 1700kg with only 470 something HP will struggle to go around the ring in under 8 mins let alone 8 mins 40.
The 350Z does it in 8'26 and that's a Sport Auto test so it should be reliable. Are you really trying to tell us that the R34 GT-R is slower than that comfort-biased boulevard sport?
I made a rough guess of how fast the R34 would lap the 'ring, I could not be bothered to go find my ring list. That time is impressive though, the car must have had semi racing tires fitted.
The E46 M3 CSL does it in 7'50 and that's a Sport Auto test so it should be reliable. Those "horrid runflats" happen to be some of the grippiest road tyres ever factory fitted to a car. The GT-R has 30% more power but only 20% more weight. Even though PWR isn't everything, don't you think it would move at least at the same rate, on the long straighs even faster thanks to its better drag coefficient?
Runflats are dreadful. There is a reason why everyone especially BMW owners slate them. Non run flats perform better in every possible way apart from punctures
The GTR has 20% more power in regards to what the CSL? And weight is the biggest enemy to any car. Add 100kgs of passengers to a impreza etc and it will perform drastically worse. The CSL did its 7 mins 50 time wearing semi racing tires and that car was designed for the racetrack anyway.
In case you haven't heard the legend of the Godzilla, the R32 GT-R that is, I'll tell you. It won 29 of its first 29 Group A races in Japan. Then it was banned. It entered the 1991 Bathurst 1000km race, being pitted against the big Ford and Holden V8 cars. It won. The next year it had 100kg of weight penalty and a mandatory turbo pop-off valve. It won again. Then it was banned.
There were two reasons to that. First, the superb ATTESA-ETS four wheel drive system (retained to this day, improved on the way) and an equally superb Super Hicas four wheel steering system. Those two things gave it the ability to keep up with, and even beat, more powerful, lighter cars. Why wouldn't Nissan be able to do it again?
Oddly enough, I just read this thread back and it's only been a week since you were praising Porsche's superiority over the GT-R and saying that the GT-R was bound to fail at living up to the hype. Now you're saying it could very well be a class leader. What's caused such a change of direction?
Nothing out of the ordinary there. Audi had a similiar story with their 4wd touring cars that dominated competitions and then getting banned the following year.
As for the GTR beating holdens thats nothing special, no offense but holdens and fords arent exactly reknowned world wide for their racing pedigree.
There has been no change of direction, all I was saying that even if the GTR was faster than the porsches which is highly unlikely the porsche will still be the drivers choice.
The next year or so is gonna be fun.
997 turbo vs Z06 vs GT-R vs 580hp RS6 engined audi R8.
I know which car my money will be on
why would i be sad over a lap time?
