2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[forza2.0]

The PS2's are noisy and uncomfortable.

About that time of the 997 Turbo... semi-racing tyres, that are virtually cut slicks. Not a wet track. Fair?

You are just making things up as you go along now. Semi racing tires are not virtually cut slicks at all

And you dont know in what conditions the porsche was tested or if nissan are indeed telling the truth...

 

[Greycap]

Now it's me who's making up things? I didn't know I'm a mirror.

Actually, you're correct. Those Michelins aren't like cut slicks, they have less effective tread surface than cut slicks. You're correct on one more thing, as we speak. You don't know if Nissan are indeed telling the truth.

EDIT - Too late actually... by less tread surface, I mean less treads, less grooves. Bad wording. Oh well, not that anyone would take it seriously anyway because I'm seemingly just a fanboy.

 

[forza2.0]

Now it's me who's making up things? I didn't know I'm a mirror.

Actually, you're correct. Those Michelins aren't like cut slicks, they have less effective tread surface than cut slicks. You're correct on one more thing, as we speak. You don't know if Nissan are indeed telling the truth.

but going by their track record they have no credability left....

 

[High-Test]

I can't believe I just wasted fifteen minutes reading the last four pages of this thread. Nissan built an ugly car that cries like an emo kid listening to linkin park, and may or may not have misled us about its performance going around the northern circuit at the nurburgring. You're all flipping out about a car getting x number of seconds going around a track. It doesn't make any damn difference how fast a car goes around it. If one wants a fast car and likes the way it drives, then buy one. Don't shy away from a car because it took a second longer to go around some racetrack than another vehicle.

And if it hasn't been said yet,


AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! GOZIRRA!!!!

 

[exigeracer]

and iirc lotus did the aeros so nissan cant claim that credit

Source on that? I don't think Lotus had anything to do with aerodynamics on this car.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Source on that? I don't think Lotus had anything to do with aerodynamics on this car.

WINDTUNNEL LOVER

Much of the steel, carbon fibre and diecast aluminium shell was sculpted for the wind tunnel, not the eyes, giving the new GT-R a 0.27 Cd drag co-efficiency rating and race-car quantities of downforce.

Hell, even Group Lotus was pulled in for consultation duties. So slippery is the GT-R that Nissan reckon in-cabin conversation is effortless at 186mph.

 

[exigeracer]

I wasn't aware. I know they dialed in the suspension, but didn't know about the wind stuff.

 

[Keef]

Oh, so basically this car handles well because Lotus worked the suspension?

LMAO!

But the reason it's so quick is because Nissan cleverly put two turbochargers on the engine that they put in...almost every car they make.

 

[exigeracer]

Yeah, pretty much.

It's still a barge in my eyes though.

 

[Keef]

Well of course it's a barge. The thing weighs like 3600 pounds, which is just obscene.

 

[the Interceptor]

I wouldn't be so quick with judgement on that. Remember it has an intelligent 4WD system. Just look at an Evo. It is not exactly light either, and it still flies around corners. The first reviews of the GT-R will tell I guess...

 

[Keef]

The Evo weighs considerably less than the GT-R, and yes, it's good. I never said the GT-R wouldn't be good. Hell, Lotus did the suspension!

 

[the Interceptor]

Didn't you just say it's a barge? Or did I misinterpret that?

 

[Joey D]

It's a heavy car is what he mean I believe, and it really is considering the Z06 comes in at 3,162lbs.

 

[the Interceptor]

It is a heavy car. Comparing it to the Z06 is not really fair though, as that one is very light for its class and engine.

 

[Joey D]

Why not? The GT-R is being hailed as the Corvette killer.

 

[the Interceptor]

Because they are two totally different concepts. That's like comparing american fuel prices to german fuel prices ... *cough*

EDIT: I think that "Corvette killer" line was made up by the press anyway, to have a punchy headline for the front page.

 

[Jim Prower]

Because they are two totally different concepts. That's like comparing american fuel prices to german fuel prices ... *cough*

EDIT: I think that "Corvette killer" line was made up by the press anyway, to have a punchy headline for the front page.

Credit Motor Trend for that. It was splashed all over THEIR cover...

 

[Joey D]

Not really, comparing the price of something is quite a bit different then comparing the performance of two vehicles.

Look I'm not the one hailing it as the almighty Corvette killer, the auto magazines are doing that. It's quite on par with the Z06 as far as performance goes so I don't really see why they can't be compared, although the Z06 probably is the better car.

 

[forza2.0]

It is a heavy car. Comparing it to the Z06 is not really fair though, as that one is very light for its class and engine.

Z06 weighs about the same as a R8, aston v8 or 911 S.

This GT-R is a fat pig indeed.

 

[exigeracer]

Regardless, if it starts heavy, it needs bigger brakes to slow down the heavier car, which needs bigger, heavier wheels to fit around those bigger brakes to slow down the heavier car, which needs bigger motor to power the heavier wheels to fit around the bigger brakes to slow down the heavier car, which needs even bigger brakes to slow down the bigger motor to power the heavier wheels to fit around the bigger brakes to slow down the heavier car.

Flawed thinking, yes, but still holds a certain amount of truth.

 

[Joey D]

That's not really flawed thinking, it's pretty much spot on.

 

[the Interceptor]

It's quite on par with the Z06 as far as performance goes so I don't really see why they can't be compared, although the Z06 probably is the better car.

When I said you can't compare them, I was referring to the weight. Even if you didn't know these cars, you'd most likely guess that a plastic-bodied (not to be understood negatively, I actually like the Z06) RWD V8 coupe from the USA would be significantly ligher than a metal-bodied 4WD V6 twin turbo coupe from Japan. Price-wise they can be compared (not in all countires maybe, but for now), and performance-wise, it seems they also can. In terms of weight however, the Corvette has a significant technical advantage.

Z06 weighs about the same as a R8, aston v8 or 911 S.

The Z06 weighs 1440 kilograms. An R8 is about 1560 kg, the V8 Vantage is 1630 kg and a 911s weighs 1500 kg. Considering that the Z06 has a huge V8, it is considerably ligher than its competitors.

Regardless, if it starts heavy, it needs bigger brakes to slow down the heavier car, which needs bigger, heavier wheels to fit around those bigger brakes to slow down the heavier car, which needs bigger motor to power the heavier wheels to fit around the bigger brakes to slow down the heavier car, which needs even bigger brakes to slow down the bigger motor to power the heavier wheels to fit around the bigger brakes to slow down the heavier car.

Flawed thinking, yes, but still holds a certain amount of truth.

No no, I'm with you. I know that weight spoils pretty much everything, and even if you make a car seem agile with some clever electronics, you'll still feel the weight. And the GT-R is heavy, there's no doubt about that. But still, I think that this clever 4WD system does give it an advantage in comparison to say an Audi with Quattro 4WD.

 

[Greycap]

The weights of some of the competitors of the GT-R (and the Veyron just for fun):

Audi R8: 1560 kg
Aston Martin V8 Vantage: 1630 kg
Bugatti Veyron: 1890 kg
BMW M3: 1655 kg
Chevrolet Corvette Z06: 1435 kg
Ferrari 612: 1840 kg
Mercedes (AMG) CLK63: 1755 kg
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X: 1540 kg
Nissan GT-R: 1740 kg
Porsche 911 Carrera S: 1490 kg

Heavier than most of the others, yes, but not as much as it may sound when one hears the figure of 1740 kg.

 

[forza2.0]

No no, I'm with you. I know that weight spoils pretty much everything, and even if you make a car seem agile with some clever electronics, you'll still feel the weight. And the GT-R is heavy, there's no doubt about that. But still, I think that this clever 4WD system does give it an advantage in comparison to say an Audi with Quattro 4WD.

Depends how its setup really but I would think that RWD would be the best option for attacking the 'ring as then the porky GTR would be considerably lighter.

 

[Keef]

Nissan isn't promoting the GT-R as a Corvette killer, so that argument really isn't valid. Nissan was aiming for the 911 Turbo, and they've come pretty close to a bull's eye. The American press pretty much came up with the whole Corvette vs. GT-R thing just so they could find out that the Z06 is faster, handles better, etc. But the only reason it's better at those things is because the GT-R is better at everything else, and that's because the Nissan has a different goal than the Z06.

 

[forza2.0]

Nissan isn't promoting the GT-R as a Corvette killer, so that argument really isn't valid. Nissan was aiming for the 911 Turbo, and they've come pretty close to a bull's eye. The American press pretty much came up with the whole Corvette vs. GT-R thing just so they could find out that the Z06 is faster, handles better, etc. But the only reason it's better at those things is because the GT-R is better at everything else, and that's because the Nissan has a different goal than the Z06.

But many would say Z06 and 997 TT are competitors

 

[Keef]

Yeah, except that the Corvette, again, is by far the better track car. The two cars aren't even meant for the same purpose. Comparing the Viper and Vette makes sense, but not a luxury GT and a sports car, like the Turbo vs. Corvette.

 

[Joey D]

Except there are some members around here that will tell you that you can not compare the Viper to the Vette . Or a 911 and a Vette for some reason. So please if someone can please explain to me how the hell you classify cars I would love it.

 

[the Interceptor]

If you gave me a 911 Turbo, a GT-R, a Z06, a Viper and the task to group them somehow, I'd group the front-engined RWD cars (Viper and Z06) and the turbo-powered AWD cars (911 and GT-R), simply because the cars in both couples are alike.