2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

[Casio]

You must have something against me, every time I say something is bad or retarded. This whole thread is about the GT-R and it's achievments. Everybody is telling about how quick it is, how it has beaten Porsches and other cars on the ring and yet you don't say anything. I say only one thing about a Ruf and it's retarded. You stink!

No it is retarded. Because it's like saying yes it's faster than a 911, but it's not quicker than a Veyron, or an F-14, or a Saturn V rocket. A RUF RT12 would cost about 4 times more than the Skyline, it's a silly comparison to make.

And please show me where else I have used the word 'retarded', in my 3000+ posts, since I always use it.

 

[the Interceptor]

To be a production car it has to be produced on an assembly line in a certain quantaty every day. Ruf is only made by hand and only if you order one, that makes it NOT production car.

But how is a SSC Ultimate Aero TT a production car then?

 

[Leonidae]

Yes, Porsche turbo is beaten. But Porsche doesn't have launch control, Porsche doesn't have a double clutch manual gearbox (which give the GT-R a big advantage when shifting gears).
If Porsche should have these "features", it probably will be as fast as the GT-R.

Porsche already has PASM and TCS and whatever, just like GT-R. Porsche has also already announced that the next facelift of 911 Turbo will have 20bhp more AND DSG-style gearbox. That's their response to the competition formed by GT-R. And with Porsche's traditional 30/70 weight distribution launch control is barely needed, especially since it also has 4WD similar to GT-R's.

 

[Jim Prower]

It's a modified Porsche, just like Hennessey TT Viper 1000 is modded viper, no more, no less. My personal opinion is that if RUF wants to be a REAL car manufacturer among others, they should make their own cars from scratch instead of modifying existing platforms from Porsche. But, that doesn't actually belong to this thread..

CTR3. You know, the one people seem to think is the Cayman, but really isn't?

[/OT]

So, we know the GT-R has thunderous accelleration. Let's see what it can do elsewhere.

 

[Div is back]

Where's forza_2.0?
That test was on semi-slicks!!
That journalist is biased!

The Porsche 997 Turbo comment about not having launch control is childish. Really, who cares?
Porsche didn't do their homework right, why should Nissan NOT have the launch control, etc? They simply innovated.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Let's see who can keep up..

erm porsche and dodge can? from that test it shows that its fast from 0-60,it was level with the porsche over the 1/4 mile and was killed by the 08 viper in the slalom (viper outhandling a GTR? ) it also brakes the same as the viper as well. not exactly "taking it to them" considering the level of technology the gtr has.

edit: still would be interesting to see what time it did without the launch control.

 

[Div is back]

They said it did 4.0 w/o.

"Leave the launch control off and the tranny in R mode, and the car is still sick quick. Sixty mph arrives in 4.0 seconds and the quarter-mile disappears in 12.3 seconds at 120.6 mph. All our testing was completed using manual shifting."

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

They said it did 4.0 w/o.

"Leave the launch control off and the tranny in R mode, and the car is still sick quick. Sixty mph arrives in 4.0 seconds and the quarter-mile disappears in 12.3 seconds at 120.6 mph. All our testing was completed using manual shifting."

ah ok found that now,so when all even (knowing porsche,dodge and chevrolet dont use launch control) its the slowest even if you consider the remoured "560bhp".

 

[Prosthetic]

ah ok found that now,so when all even (knowing porsche,dodge and chevrolet dont use launch control) its the slowest even if you consider the remoured "560bhp".

Yeah um... Nissan never said it had 560bhp. And it's all even if it does have launch control on. The only way for it not to be fair is if one of them gets a head start. Which isn't happening.

And you sure seem to want the GTR to fail, if you really don't like it just leave the thread.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

Yeah um... Nissan never said it had 560bhp. And it's all even if it does have launch control on. The only way for it not to be fair is if one of them gets a head start. Which isn't happening.

And you sure seem to want the GTR to fail, if you really don't like it just leave the thread.

you havent been keeping up have you? go back a couple of pages and start reading

dont want the GTR to fail,just too used to nissan shouting "wolf".

 

[Div is back]

So what if they use a LC?
What's bad about using proper technology? Something Chevy and Dodge can't figure out I guess.

Should we penalize those that have properly researched new products? No!
Next thing we'll hear is that Nissan cheated by putting turbos on the car.

 

[Dave A]

He didn't say that. He said that Ruf is a manufacturer, not a production car. To be a production car it has to be produced on an assembly line in a certain quantaty every day. Ruf is only made by hand and only if you order one, that makes it NOT production car.

Good point, I should have said manufacturer since that's what he said. But the point is that Ruf's cars are Ruf's cars, they are not classed as modified Porsches. They are production cars though, they are just very low volume production. TVR's were hand built and they're production cars, they just made more cars than Ruf, but even TVR was low volume. As I said, the point is that Ruf's cars are not modified Porsches. They will modify your Porsche for you, but the cars they build are no more Porsches than Leon's are Golfs.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

So what if they use a LC?
What's bad about using proper technology? Something Chevy and Dodge can't figure out I guess.

Should we penalize those that have properly researched new products? No!
Next thing we'll hear is that Nissan cheated by putting turbos on the car.

how did you get that from what i said it was a passing comment that if all the car werent using launch control then the GTR would be the slowest,did i say that nissan shouldnt be allowed to use launch control? erm no i didnt.

what next the z06 and viper should have the same width rear tyres to make it fairer? or shouldnt be allowed 2wd as it gets more power to the ground?

 

[Div is back]

Yes, Porsche turbo is beaten. But Porsche doesn't have launch control, Porsche doesn't have a double clutch manual gearbox (which give the GT-R a big advantage when shifting gears).
If Porsche should have these "features", it probably will be as fast as the GT-R. Shift tronic is a kind of automatic gearbox, which shifts slower than a double clutch manual gearbox, and a 6-gear manual gearbox only shifts as fast as a human can and as fast as the technology is capable of.

Referring to this guy.

 

[YSSMAN]

So what if they use a LC?
What's bad about using proper technology? Something Chevy and Dodge can't figure out I guess.

Launch control is for kids who don't know how to drive their cars properly, simply put. Hell, even Clarkson agrees when hes driving the 599. Your left and right feet is really all you need, your brain being a better computer than the one in the dashboard that thinks it knows better.

 

[Div is back]

The journalists times were half a second slower than with LC.
In the 599 he found a new way to launch the car, which is really just a second, more abrupt, LC.

F1 drivers can't drive?...

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

The journalists times were half a second slower than with LC.
In the 599 he found a new way to launch the car, which is really just a second, more abrupt, LC.

which is what they did with the gtr to get the 3.3 second time 💡

According to online mag Edmunds Inside Line they have discovered a secret launch control akin to pressing down, down, up, up, X, X, R1 and R2 on a PlayStation controller.

 

[YSSMAN]

F1 drivers can't drive?...

I'm not implying that F1 drivers or other automotive testers cannot drive, but quite simply, real men and real racers can do better without. I apologize for remembering the days when it was more about the driver than about the car, back when it took guts to get in some of these cars and pilot them to victory, or even to the local grocer, without killing yourself in the process.

I for one would always opt for the stick and three pedals in any "supercar" I order, but thats because I'm a bat-crazy American. God forbid anyone drives the cars anymore...

 

[Div is back]

which is what they did with the gtr to get the 3.3 second time 💡

No?
The GTR has one LC, regular drivers we're getting times around the 4 sec mark, with the LC they got 3.3

YSSMAN,

I could see you were that type of guy. That macho thing is really getting old, The gate shifters are getting spanked all day by the "flappy" paddle boxes because let's face it, none of us can change gears that quickly.

The fun factor is a pretty personal thing and is not objective.

Who the hell wants a car that can kill themselves for getting groceries?

 

[JCE]

So after 14 pages with 100 posts each containing 1300 posts--launch control is now being discussed? Wow...

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

No?
The GTR has one LC, regular drivers we're getting times around the 4 sec mark, with the LC they got 3.3

it was a joke you know haha and anyway with the LC it sounds similer to what you do in an M6,theres about 5 million buttons to press to set it up for it to do that even a BMW 116i would beat it to 60.

Who the hell wants a car that can kill themselves for getting groceries?

i do,thats the whole point of a "supercar",even if your driving it normally it still feels like its going to kill you.

 

[YSSMAN]

YSSMAN,

I could see you were that type of guy. That macho thing is really getting old, The gate shifters are getting spanked all day by the "flappy" paddle boxes because let's face it, none of us can change gears that quickly.

The fun factor is a pretty personal thing and is not objective.

Who the hell wants a car that can kill themselves for getting groceries?

I'm not sure why it being a 'macho' thing is anything important. Unless you have driven cars old enough for you to be able to appreciate the way in which at one point you were connected with your vehicle, I don't think you're ever going to understand.

Simply put, I could care less if its "faster" and whatnot. It still costs more, presumably less reliable in the end, much more difficult to fix, and again just defeats the whole purpose of having a "manual" transmission in the first place. Sure, I'd much rather have the flappy-paddle F1 or DSG boxes over a slushbox most days, but if given the option, I'll have the stick.

Call me old fashioned, thats fine, I know I'm crazy. Thing is, I know I'm not alone either.

...And getting killed while going to the grocer? Why not, right? Who knows if that old Jaguar you got in the barn will act up today. I'm sure the Muria would be happy to burst into flames too if you'd let it. The bottlecap breaks on the Ferrari should stop the car today as well...

Cars that have character, thats what I miss. Sure, there are some that still do it, but it isn't nearly the same thing anymore.

 

[Div is back]

it was a joke you know haha and anyway with the LC it sounds similer to what you do in an M6,theres about 5 million buttons to press to set it up for it to do that even a BMW 116i would beat it to 60.



i do,thats the whole point of a "supercar",even if your driving it normally it still feels like its going to kill you.

You've obviously been watching too much Top Gear.
Is having LC and paddle shifts make the car more safe?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pRvHV7pUmAc

Guess not.

Defining a car's character by it's flaws is very intriguing(?).

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

You've obviously been watching too much Top Gear.
Is having LC and paddle shifts make the car more safe?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pRvHV7pUmAc

Guess not.

how have i been watching too much top gear do a search on here you will find ive had goes in a fair amount of "supercars","hypercars","sportscars" and race cars and where was i talking about lc and paddle shift gearboxs and safety ?

the guy in that video didnt even own the car,it was a hired car.

 

[Div is back]

The m6 comment was a clear influence from a not so recent top gear episode.
Safety - referring to YSSMAN.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

The m6 comment was a clear influence from a not so recent top gear episode.

and i cant use that as an example because?

 

[Div is back]

It's bogus!
I've been in a M6 Cab and the owner put in the LC in a matter of seconds.

If you're going to do a drag race with a BMW 116i, you'll have plenty of time to setup your LC, your example is simply bogus.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

It's bogus!
I've been in a M6 Cab and the owner put in the LC in a matter of seconds.

If you're going to do a drag race with a BMW 116i, you'll have plenty of time to setup your LC, your example is simply bogus.

lets add it up then,116i does 0-60 in what 12 seconds?

now with the gtr you have to hold down the transmission button for 3 seconds to put it into R mode,then you need to hold down the damper button for 3 seconds,then you need to hold down the VDC-R button for 3 seconds,time it would take to rev up .5 of a second? then the 0-60 run in 3.3 so thats what 12.8? just enough time for the ricer drive passed.

then again it could just be me being pedantic.

 

[Div is back]

Geez, when will such a situation happen?
The only place would be at a stop light, where you have plently of time to set it up.

Your point is windy.

 

[Stevisiov]

It's bogus!
I've been in a M6 Cab and the owner put in the LC in a matter of seconds.

If you're going to do a drag race with a BMW 116i, you'll have plenty of time to setup your LC, your example is simply bogus.

Thing is where not talking drag racing, even in everyday driving, you may have the odd chance to 'open the taps' and drive full acceleration to the speed limit. Before experiencing full acceleration are you going to have time to activate the launch control? sure a drag race, but lets be honest how often are you going to be drag racing.

The reason I say this, is its not uncommon to be sat at traffic lights for a few seconds and hit the throttle and go hell for leather. But are those few seconds enough to get the car in the righ mode and prepared for launch control? if so great. If you can't why even consider the 0-60 time with launch control when you will only ever have seldom oppertunites to use it.