2009 Nissan GT-R - Zero tolerance for asshattery

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-> I would think that the GT-R is the best value of a super car, I knew it! :scared:
 
not to mention utterly ridiculous, since all those buttons can be pushed at the same time..💡 unless you have only one finger. :lol:
 
Well, come to think of it, the GT-R will kill the said BMW even if launched without the Launch Control and on half throttle. The system only matters when making flat out accelerations with other high performance cars and those situations usually can be seen coming.

Once again, Nissan has done something better than the others, so it must be unfair and wrong. Was it unfair when Audi brought four wheel drive onto the sports car scene? Was it unfair when Porsche introduced an active 4WD system in the 959? No, those were considered to be technical innovations. But for some reason this can't be that, because it's made by Nissan. At least that's what it sounds like at the moment.

Seriously. I'm still waiting for people to understand that a car doesn't have to be made by one of the "traditional sports car manufacturers" to be a world class fast mover. Not going to happen though, and that isn't up to the cars.

I know I'll be shot down, flamed and screamed to be another Nissan fanboy because I defend the GT-R, but each to his own. It's just a shame that the opinions' validity seems to depend on the side one is taking.

I said I'd leave the debate as it got really out of hands. Now the Nürburgring debate is over and we finally may have something intelligent to discuss so I'll keep checking in again. This seems to be going downhill fast though, once again.
 
Greycap
Well, come to think of it, the GT-R will kill the said BMW even if launched without the Launch Control and on half throttle. The system only matters when making flat out accelerations with other high performance cars and those situations usually can be seen coming.

Once again, Nissan has done something better than the others, so it must be unfair and wrong. Was it unfair when Audi brought four wheel drive onto the sports car scene? Was it unfair when Porsche introduced an active 4WD system in the 959? No, those were considered to be technical innovations. But for some reason this can't be that, because it's made by Nissan. At least that's what it sounds like at the moment.

Seriously. I'm still waiting for people to understand that a car doesn't have to be made by one of the "traditional sports car manufacturers" to be a world class fast mover. Not going to happen though, and that isn't up to the cars.

I know I'll be shot down, flamed and screamed to be another Nissan fanboy because I defend the GT-R, but each to his own. It's just a shame that the opinions' validity seems to depend on the side one is taking.

I said I'd leave the debate as it got really out of hands. Now the Nürburgring debate is over and we finally may have something intelligent to discuss so I'll keep checking in again. This seems to be going downhill fast though, once again.
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its nothing to do with the fact its not made by the usual fast people but when you come on seeing comments like this.

Leonidae
HAHA! take that, Chevy and Porsche! Godzilla has raised the performance bar like it always has. Let's see who can keep up.. :sly:
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giving the idea that this is the fastest car in the world,can beat anything etc when its just not true.

if you look at the figures it does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds far enough thats fast but then look at the 1/4mile time,same as a 997 turbo.
so how does a car that destroys a 997 turbo 0-60 and traps a higher speed and has a super fast flappy gearbox only do it in the same time?
it also has the same braking distance as a viper and was outhandled by a viper as well and lets be honest the viper isnt exactly known for its handling or braking.
 
Onikaze
Uh...

The Viper kinda IS known for it's handling and braking, last I checked.
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...Just not civility, in any way, shape or form. XD

well, it does seem that the GT-R is living up to the hype, so far.

On the Launch Control: still not going to matter as much. It's a 4WD, after all. It launches pretty hard anyway.
 
Yeah, it's a hell of a deal, doesn't get my blood pumping like a Z06, but I'm an old Vette fan anyway, so little will in that price/performance range, which is basically those two cars.

The Viper had better be a hell of a performer though, it doesn't do ANYTHING else well, it's not pretty, it's not pleasant, it's not cheap, but it goes like hell is chasing it, and will probably corner well enough to leave hell behind.
 
The GT-R is fast, no questions about it. I don't have any issues with it being a Nissan either, given the reputation of GT-R's before it. However, that does not necessarily mean that my Corvettes, Vipers and 911s will go down without a fight either. Being shockingly fast in a straight line and handling marginally well is all well and good, but applying those capabilities consistently and easily is the key to having it be a truly fast car, and furthermore, taking into considerations that must be made to have it be a daily-driver as well.

In the end, while the GT-R may sticker for somewhere in the neighborhood of $70K, you're going to be hard-pressed to find one for anything less than $90K in the United States. I'd personally be much happier spending $20K less on a Z06 and be a few ticks off the game in acceleration (last I checked, it was only two tenths of a second according to Car and Driver), or even better, $10K more on a ZR1. Or spend the same $90K on the outrageous Viper SRT-10 Coupe (preferably in bat-crazy green).

...Or scratch all of it and just get a "regular" Corvette Z51 and save a ton of money altogether...

Get all the cars on a track, I'd be interested to see what happens. Credit goes to Nissan for making the GT-R ungodly fast, and it certainly gives Toyota a benchmark for the LF-A/Supra/whatever thats coming as well. The big kids will likely put the GT-R back in its place, no surprises there, but we're probably a year or so out on that.

Still makes me eager for a Top Gear test though. Clarkson in the Z06, Hammond in the GT-R, May in the 997T... And why not? The Stig in the SRT-10 for good measure!
 
The Vanishing Boy
-> Newest article from Inside Line, and this time its the full test!


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-> I would think that the GT-R is the best value of a super car, I knew it! :scared:
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Best value? Don't make me laugh. $1,000 less than a Z06 gets you 7:50 on the 'Ring. $1,000 more gets you 7:42. Best value? I think not.
Leonidae
HAHA! take that, Chevy and Porsche! Godzilla has raised the performance bar like it always has. Let's see who can keep up.. :sly:
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:lol:
What bar has Nissan raised? None. The GT-R is as fast as the M3 CSL on the Nurburgring. Oh wait, I see. It "uped" the bar by being just slightly faster than a 911 Turbo in acceleration.

Oh, and I'm sure you'll have something to say about the Nurburgring times, so I'll bring Tsukuba as this is where it gets interesting.
They achieved 1:01 (w/ Keiichi Tsuchiya who is obviously a master at Tsukuba, and 1 I'd like to see drive the Z06 & 911 Turbo around as well). Now, where has Nissan raised this bar because the 997 Turbo, Corvette Z06, oh and just for kicks, the 300Hp NSX-R are only 2 seconds behind.

Where is the raised bar? Because I'm not seeing jack squat. You're telling me a 480Hp AWD "Godzilla" of a car that supposedly did an unimaginable 7:38 on the Nurburgring can only accomplish 2 seconds over a 300Hp Honda?

Get out of here with that raised bar crap. I can't believe you think Porsche is not keeping up (1 second faster on the 'Ring), when their main track cars are the GT3 & GT2.

You want to see a real car who has raised the bar? Go check out the 997 GT2, a 530Hp monster achieveing 7:31 on the Nordschleife with Walter Röhrl behind the wheel.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...rsche-911-gt2-will-do-the-nurburgring-in-731/
 
I really haven't read much of this thread (so I'm not trying to pick on any individuals here), but I personally think the hoopla surrounding this car is hilarious. People have been downplaying Japanese sportscars for years, pointing to their lack of power compared to american and European sportscars and laughing. Then Honda ends the Gentlemens' Agreement in 2005, and by the end of 2007 Nissan pumps out one of the fastest and most advanced cars ever built and sells it for Z06 money. As a result, the internet is consumed by a massive :censored:storm.

Classic. :lol:
 
*McLaren*
Best value? Don't make me laugh. $1,000 less than a Z06 gets you 7:50 on the 'Ring. $1,000 more gets you 7:42. Best value? I think not.
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The 'Ring isnt the only track in the world. I understand that its the proving ground for a lot of automakers and racers, but one car being able to lap the 'Ring faster than the other doesn't mean its a superior car.

Plus, im sure the GT-R will be far superior on other notable tracks such as Tsukuba
 
Leonidae
well, maybe when time comes, they'll be compared to eachother. Doesn't change the fact that 911 turbo ( aka Beetle Evolution ) is beaten.
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Funny that because 2 tests have said the 911TT is faster and only one says otherwise. So therefore it stands at 2:1 to the 911 ;)

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just noticed that in another review edmunds said that the 911TT is slightly faster. They cant even make their mind up never mind you declaring victory.

edmunds
For all-round ability, I have no doubt the Nissan is the best car I've ever driven. It is almost as fast as the Porsche — which means it's almost as fast as any car on earth
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This thread is painfull to read, it's just like everyone is at each others throats, it's a damn car and a bloody good one at that. It doesn't matter if it's a tenth slower or a tenth faster than a 911 Turbo, it's bloody quick either way. By all means guys, debate pro's and cons of the car and the likes and disslikes, but some of the bickering in here is like nursery school.
 
*McLaren*
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What bar has Nissan raised? None. The GT-R is as fast as the M3 CSL on the Nurburgring. Oh wait, I see. It "uped" the bar by being just slightly faster than a 911 Turbo in acceleration.

Oh, and I'm sure you'll have something to say about the Nurburgring times, so I'll bring Tsukuba as this is where it gets interesting.
They achieved 1:01 (w/ Keiichi Tsuchiya who is obviously a master at Tsukuba, and 1 I'd like to see drive the Z06 & 911 Turbo around as well). Now, where has Nissan raised this bar because the 997 Turbo, Corvette Z06, oh and just for kicks, the 300Hp NSX-R are only 2 seconds behind.

Where is the raised bar? Because I'm not seeing jack squat. You're telling me a 480Hp AWD "Godzilla" of a car that supposedly did an unimaginable 7:38 on the Nurburgring can only accomplish 2 seconds over a 300Hp Honda?

Get out of here with that raised bar crap. I can't believe you think Porsche is not keeping up (1 second faster on the 'Ring), when their main track cars are the GT3 & GT2.

You want to see a real car who has raised the bar? Go check out the 997 GT2, a 530Hp monster achieveing 7:31 on the Nordschleife with Walter Röhrl behind the wheel.
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/...rsche-911-gt2-will-do-the-nurburgring-in-731/
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OK. If money is not important to you, then the GT-R might not be a great deal. Get the Veyron.

But this car costs probably like 75k EUR. What do get for that money ? A used 911 with 350hp. Dude, give me 3k EUR and even I kill that 911.
You get an M3, a Corvette, what else ? That's the main point. You won't get a lot of better deals for 69k $ ( stock cars ).

Now you talk about the GT2. Last time I checked, it cost as much as a house.

Also don't forget that there will be a lighter and more powerful version of the GT-R, at least in Japan. And I bet that 100 hp more and 100 kg less will be a lot faster and still be cheaper than a 911 4S.
 
Max_DC
OK. If money is not important to you, then the GT-R might not be a great deal. Get the Veyron.

But this car costs probably like 75k EUR. What do get for that money ? A used 911 with 350hp. Dude, give me 3k EUR and even I kill that 911.
You get an M3, a Corvette, what else ? That's the main point. You won't get a lot of better deals for 69k $ ( stock cars ).

Now you talk about the GT2. Last time I checked, it cost as much as a house.

Also don't forget that there will be a lighter and more powerful version of the GT-R, at least in Japan. And I bet that 100 hp more and 100 kg less will be a lot faster and still be cheaper than a 911 4S.
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Price doesnt mean diddly squat because porsche makes like 20 grand profit on near enough each car they sell anyway whilst nissan will probably lose money or break even with the GTR. Price argument is stupid. Porsches costs as much as they do because they are a porsche and people will pay it. simple as. And id rather spend 30k on a FQ series evo that will keep up with a GTR on the twisties than pay 75k for the gtr.
 
Wolfe
I really haven't read much of this thread (so I'm not trying to pick on any individuals here), but I personally think the hoopla surrounding this car is hilarious. People have been downplaying Japanese sportscars for years, pointing to their lack of power compared to american and European sportscars and laughing. Then Honda ends the Gentlemens' Agreement in 2005, and by the end of 2007 Nissan pumps out one of the fastest and most advanced cars ever built and sells it for Z06 money. As a result, the internet is consumed by a massive :censored:storm.

Classic. :lol:
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Dave A
This thread is painfull to read, it's just like everyone is at each others throats, it's a damn car and a bloody good one at that. It doesn't matter if it's a tenth slower or a tenth faster than a 911 Turbo, it's bloody quick either way. By all means guys, debate pro's and cons of the car and the likes and disslikes, but some of the bickering in here is like nursery school.
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Now I remembered why I liked you guys. :sly:👍 Here's a virtual +rep from me. ;)
 
it's just natural that Porsche/Chevy fans feel themselves threatened by a godzilla. it's competitive in every possible manner. Price, performance, features, innovations..
 
@Leonaide:

Did you not read my post just a few back there?

I give credit where credit is due, and Nissan did a damn-fine job. The car looks good (I like it in red, still want to see blue), its fast, and its cheap-ish (depends where you are). That, and its apparently easy-to-drive, which should go over quite well.

That being said, it isn't that far ahead of the competition either. A few ticks here and there mean butkis if it can't be applied easy enough, so thats why we're all so interested in seeing the group out on the track.

The GT-R is a player, no doubt about it, but it won't take much for the others to catch up and put it back behind the pack. The GT2 already did it. The ZR1 will do it. The SRT-10, well, I guess you'd have to go to the ACR for that.
 
And then Nissan will come up with performance models as well, keeping up or surpassing it's competitors, and the cycle will start over again.. gotta love horsepower wars..
 
Well, sooner or later the wars will come to a resounding end, with these new fuel economy caps...

even more governmental screwing around with the car industry...
 
That does bring up an interesting question:

What kind of fuel economy are we looking at on the GT-R? How does it compare to the Porsche and the Z06?
 
Leonidae
And then Nissan will come up with performance models as well, keeping up or surpassing it's competitors, and the cycle will start over again.. gotta love horsepower wars..
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but the current models are already as fast or indeed faster than the gtr and also outbrake and out handle it 💡
 
Jim Prower
Well, sooner or later the wars will come to a resounding end, with these new fuel economy caps...

even more governmental screwing around with the car industry...
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The world is coming to an end! The sky is falling! The government just passed new economy regulations! Cars will have to drop 1K pounds and 65% percent of their horsepower!

All of those are said in the same tone, and none of them are true or all that bad. Its all shades of 1973. Except we have engineers that give a damn now.
 
TopHat
The world is coming to an end! The sky is falling! The government just passed new economy regulations! Cars will have to drop 1K pounds and 65% percent of their horsepower!

All of those are said in the same tone, and none of them are true or all that bad. Its all shades of 1973. Except we have engineers that give a damn now.
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Let's hope they do a better job, then. the '70s were a dark time.
 

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