The Z06 is a good car for a good price. We'll see how times of the final production car will be.
The GT-R has achieved 7:50. The Z06 lapped 7:42.
I agree. Of course that also means that the time driven on the Nurburgring is not necessarily everything that is possible with this car. Maybe Walter Röhrl could achieve a 7.38 on the Ring
I agree Walter could probably drive the car faster than 7:50, but I'm sure in the end, he'll still be matching the Z06's time, or being just a tad faster.
It did. In it's price range. Category : stock sports cars with a certain amount of luxury and every day usability. If you like that or not.
Even then, it didn't. Same price as a Z06, and performance to match, not raise above. If anything, the GT-R has raised the bar to match the Z06 over its predecessor.
You talk ONLY about performance, I talk about money&performance. Why ? Because in the end money is the limiting factor for most of us. You don't only have to buy the GT2, you have to insure it, pay taxes, maintain it. Who can ? Not many of us obviously.
In the end, none of us can afford the cars anyway. So, why bother bringing in money?
I agree that the Nissan is not the ubercar if you simply look at hp numbers and then compare it to cars with eqaul hp. If you only have 70k$ to spend, you certainly get more (performance) at the Nissan dealer now than at a Porsche or BMW dealer. So it raised the bar. Just like the STi and the Evo did in their category : cars below 45k$.
If we want to start doing this, then how much is the bar raised when you count in all the reliability, durability, insurance, maintenance, insurance, etc. compared to the other cars of its "price" range. Not very high.
So don't call me dumb if you don't even understand the basic rules of a argumentation. I'm not some random 12 year old wannabe expert, I'm older than you, well educated and I study medicine at one of the best universities ( for medicine ) in Germany.
For someone being so much wiser than me (
), you obviously can't read very well. I said the argument about comparing a modified car to a stock car is dumb, espcially when both cars were fine stock.
The only reason the Nissan can keep the car at its current price is simple. No one will buy it if it gets any higher. However, Porsche can. It's all about brand snobbery. If Porsche lowered the 911 Turbo to $70K too, I guarantee you the GT-R (& the Z06) would suddenly see a huge drop in sales. But, doing that means Porsche loses a lot of money than what it cost to develop the car.
For 90$k more, Nissan could easily make the GT-R a GT2 killer. Replace everything with carbon, use the best racing parts, short : more hp, less weight.
True, it can. But it won't raise any bar considering no one's going to buy a $200,000 Nissan anytime soon.
It's all a matter of priorities. I'd say if you want to have a sports car, you buy the fastest car you can afford ( of course you have to like the styling etc, but that's nothing you can discuss in a forum : you like it or you don't. ).
True, but I don't consider it being cheaper than
most of the competition raising the bar. As I said before, there's a simple reason Nissan put the GT-R at $70K. So it can still make some kind of profit of it (not that Nissan needs to), while keeping folks from rejecting the fact they'd be buying a $90K Nissan.
HELLLO : SAME PRICE CATEGORY. At least in Germany. The yare not in the same performance category, exactly that is my point. That's why Nissan is raising the bar. How can you not understand this ?
I see watch you're saying, but it's ridiculous. Prices are different around the world. The "bar" could be raised by many different cars then in different performance brackets.
Same with cars like the Ariel Atom. Of course that "car" would win almost every performance comparison, it is not really sth you would want to drive every day to work with. I mean, some people would, but you know what I mean.
True, I see that. But still in the modifying argument, someone could say, I'll spend a couple more thousand make it at least somewhat comfortable (in the Ultima).
It is so simple : Take 80k$. Now go and try to find the fastest stock car for that amount of money. Go to a Porsche dealer, go to BMW.Then go to Nissan. Of course you also might end up with a Z06. But not with a Porsche.
Exactly. This will all come down to brand snobbery. Nissan only sells the GT-R at $70K because they know brand snobs won't pay any more because it's a Nissan. But they also know any lower, and they may not make a lot of profit off it (again, not that Nissan needs to).
Because Poverty2.0 will find some way to bring up an Audi, somehow, and avoid the responses to the price argument he brought up.
I didn't bring prices into this, and don't believe they should be included as they have been. And how would I or anyone else need to be bringing the RS6 into this? That's completely ridiculuous. The RS6 is going be a $100K Sports Wagon.
