2012 Ferrari FF

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Nice.

I'm sure the performance will be utterly staggering with the new torque vectoring AWD system as well, which is a step ahead of the AWD system in the GT-R :scared: With that type of power (660hp), a highly advanced AWD system, massive carbon brakes, well balanced chassis, and a curb weight only slightly more than the GT-R...I expect to see some truly astonishing numbers for such a GT oriented car 👍

Really??How?? Sounds impossible being Ferrari's first try..:drool:

I like the whole project a lot, the car looks nice to my eyes, performance wise it obviously rises beyond the expectations of such a car and i really don't see how anyone would say that Ferrari is copying Porsche's Panamera as i read...FF is a classic two door 2+2 (hatch-back being the modern thing about it) that delivers amazing performance overall and technologically raises the bar for the competition.It also descends from the legendary line of 2+2 Ferrari cars. Panamera is a four door ,four seater saloon-hatchback. And it's so ugly it shouldn't be mentioned in the same thread page with the FF...But that's just my opinion..
 
The first thing I thought when I saw this car:

Same here, I can't complain. It's still beautiful and I'll more than likely never own one.

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We'll certainly get an unbiased opinion of the FF as an ownership proposition... The 'owner' of EVO Magazine, Harry Metcalf, has ordered one with his own money.

He's selling his Maserati Granturismo, Range Rover V8TDI and his old classic Ferrari to fund the purchase.
 
Really??How?? Sounds impossible being Ferrari's first try..:drool:

Actually quite a few cars have torque vectoring AWD systems nowadays (the ability to transfer the engines power to each individual axle/wheel), to help rotate the car through a corner and give it more RWD characteristics at times. But yea, with the Ferrari FF it is quite an impressive feat combining this AWD system and the 7-speed dual clutch gearbox, given that the car has 660hp.

With the GT-R, the AWD system only has the ability to transfer the engines power fore and aft (front to rear - unable to split engine torque to the left or right axle). While this is much better than having a static torque distribution, it's not quite as good as being able to vector the engine power to each individual wheel, as you can gain even more cornering speed by sending more torque to outside rear and inside front tire while going around a corner.

The Ferrari drivetrain is also quite brilliant in the fact that their are no propshafts or transfers cases (unlike the GT-R) to get the engines power to the front axles. Instead Ferrari have attached a very compact mini gearbox/differential to the front of the engine (basically attached to the crankshaft) which helps to simplify the system a fair bit. The main reason they were able to manage such a design is because the engine is placed quite far back in the car (beyond the front axles) which allows them to place another gearbox on the front of the engine.

Definitely impressive stuff from Ferrari.
 
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We'll certainly get an unbiased opinion of the FF as an ownership proposition... The 'owner' of EVO Magazine, Harry Metcalf, has ordered one with his own money.

He's selling his Maserati Granturismo, Range Rover V8TDI and his old classic Ferrari to fund the purchase.

What classic Ferrari?

I find it hard to believe somebody would sell a classic Ferrari for that thing :scared:
 
What the told me at the Geneva motorshow is that, in the FF the 4wd is only active for the first two gears, once you engage the 3rd is basically a RWD. In the front there is a small two gears clutch, while in the back there is the "real" 7 speed F1 double clutch, which will give power to the front wheels to give traction at slow speed, once you reach enough speed and the traction at the front wheel is not needed anymore it becomes a real wheel drive.

I hope I explained myself.

Joe
 
I fail to understand why there is so much hate for this car :confused:, it is so appealing to me...
 
What the told me at the Geneva motorshow is that, in the FF the 4wd is only active for the first two gears, once you engage the 3rd is basically a RWD. In the front there is a small two gears clutch, while in the back there is the "real" 7 speed F1 double clutch, which will give power to the front wheels to give traction at slow speed, once you reach enough speed and the traction at the front wheel is not needed anymore it becomes a real wheel drive.

I hope I explained myself.

Joe

I don't know if you seen it, but here's a cool video of the FF in the snow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjtoyKefnMc
 
It does look quite sexy in that vid i must admit.


I don't quite get this car, they are trying to make an everyday car but it has 660bhp? So obviously its gonna guzzle a lot of fuel, i don't see the practical use of it.

Seems a bit pointless to me, to be honest. Quite sexy in the flesh i'm sure though.

Well if you can afford to spend 300.000 euros on a car, you can also afford the massive amount of gasoline that this car will "drink".

Supercars are not build to be practical, just think of the new lamborghini aventador, looks great, but what is its use? on the normal roads (especially Europeans) is far too wide and the driver has little visibility of the surronding, you can take it to the track sure, but I am 100% confident that at least 30% of them sold will never see the track, 60% will hit the track a couple of times a year, and the rest 10% will go regularly.

With the ferrari ff, even being a super car, has more practical use than the others, of course no one will use it as a day car, but if you want is possible. Try to go on a short holiday with a lambo... if you do you will encounter the problem of a very-very small boot.
 
First road test is out...

From Autocar.com

Ferrari FF 6.3 V12 First DriveTest date 23 March 2011 Price as tested TBA

What is it?
The all-new four-seat Ferrari, which is also the replacement for the 612 Scaglietti and the first production Ferrari to feature four-wheel drive. And if that wasn’t enough to be contending with, the FF is also an estate – or shooting brake.

While the FF retains an aluminium spaceframe, the wheelbase is 40mm longer than the 612, to help increase cabin space. Power is provided by a 651bhp 6.3-litre V12 engine; a development of that used in the Enzo and 599 GTB. The addition of direct injection and stop-start helps bring a 25 per cent improvement in emissions over the 612, too.

What is particularly interesting about the FF, though, is how it delivers drive to the road, because unlike a conventional all-wheel drive system, there is no centre differential. Instead, for the majority of the time, the FF is effectively a regular rear-wheel-drive Ferrari, with the power directed to the back wheels via a seven-speed, dual clutch transaxle gearbox.

Only when drive is required at the front axle is power taken directly from the engine into a second gearbox, one with just two forward speeds plus reverse. The fascinating aspect to this system (which Ferrari has patented) is that neither of the two front ratios are a match for those in the rear gearbox. The wheel speed mismatch is then managed by slipping two clutches in the forward gearbox – one for each wheel.

These clutches also provide the role of the front differential, not only to manage traction but also provide torque vectoring for improved handling. The obvious question here is – don’t the clutches overheat if they are constantly slipping? The answer, apparently, is that in practice drive is being delivered to the front axle only for short periods.

The main advantages of the system are that it is compact, light (Ferrari claim it adds just 45kg) and that the absence of a front differential means steering feel corruption is minimised.

What’s it like?
Before we discuss the dynamic performance, the first thing to note is how successful the packaging is. As an example, the 450-litre boot swallowed both our stills and video equipment, after which we travelled three-up for approximately seven hours, with no complaints from those in the front or back.

While you could conclude that a 4.9m long car should be able to offer decent space, the Maserati GranTurismo is only 20mm shorter and yet provides significantly less space.

Like the 612 that went before it, the FF is a car you’d happily drive serious distances in: it rides well (despite excellent agility), it’s quiet when you want it to be, and it’s got a conveniently large 91-litre fuel tank. But most of all, because it’s powered by an epic engine.

Next to the 599 GTB perhaps it doesn’t feel quite so insanely ballistic in the lower gears, but in third and above it’s mighty, and since 80 per cent of the engine’s 504lb ft of torque is available from 1750rpm it feels every bit as effortless as a serious GT should.

Against the clock the FF accelerates from 0-124mph in 11.0sec, exactly matching Ferrari’s claims for the 599 GTB, despite the 599’s superior power-to-weight ratio. In part this can be explained by the FF’s seven-speed dual clutch gearbox, but also its superior traction. And in real world use, on anything but completely dry roads, the FF is likely to be the significantly quicker car across country.

While from a refinement perspective the four-wheel drive engages imperceptibly – although a tell-tale dash graphic displays when the front axle is being called upon, information relayed to the front passenger on a display just above the glovebox – the effect on the corner behaviour can be felt. Through fast corners the FF retains the sense of being rear driven. But in slow-to-medium speed bends – just at the point where the FF is about to transition into oversteer – the front drive intervenes and there is a sense that the FF is being pulled as well as pushed.

The result is that for a 651bhp car it comes with remarkably little intimidation, just the ability to dispense its performance potential extremely effectively. Which I guess for a GT car makes sense, as does the fact that the 4wd system means the FF needn’t be sidelined during the winter. I tried it briefly on snow (with winter tyres) and it coped well enough.

However, I can’t help but feel that from an emotive point of view the addition of all-wheel drive has eroded a little of the interaction that personally I expect with a Ferrari. Sure the FF is extrovertly styled and sounds sensational, but just sometimes I’d like to be a little more involved in the job of managing and exploiting what fundamentally feels like a nicely sorted rear-drive chassis.

Because for such a large car the FF hides its size and weight impressively well. It can take a little time to get tuned into the FF’s surprisingly quick steering ratio (only slightly slower than the 458’s). Initially I found my first steering input was often too large, meaning I then had to unwind a little lock, which served to exaggerate the sense of body roll. But with time, the steering becomes almost, if not completely, instinctive, at which point the FF changes direction with very little body roll, beyond the first initial weight transfer (particularly with the adjustable dampers in their firmer setting, achieved by moving the Manettino to Sport).

The only slight disappointment is that the dual clutch gearbox on this particular FF that I tried didn’t feel quite as slick as those I’ve sampled on Ferrari’s V8 cars. High rev, high torque upshifts are not as fast, nor low-rev downchanges always as smooth.

Should I buy one?
Perhaps the most interesting thing about the FF is the absence of a direct rival. Especially when you consider the price - £227,026. Probably the closest competitor is the Bentley Continental GT, but in truth they are very different cars. The Bentley heavier, more obviously four-wheel drive, and not as agile or fun to drive. The FF is not only quicker, but perhaps surprisingly also the more spacious.

Given all this, it is impossible not to be impressed with what Ferrari has achieved – in particular that it has incorporated the security and versatility of all-wheel drive while avoiding many of the traditional technical downsides (specifically weight).

The only word of caution though, is that the FF is a different type of Ferrari to a 599 or 458, and for anyone contemplating a purchase that is key to understand.

Jamie Corstorphine
 
I forgot about the start-stop feature on this. How does that work out? I'd think that would be a big nuisance with your engine shutting off often in traffic or other times.
 
Stop-start seemed to work OK on the cars I've driven with it.

You pull up at the lights, select neutral, car engine stops. As you push the clutch down and select 1st gear the car automatically re-starts.
 
Stop-start tech was almost unnoticeable in the cars I've driven although I'm sure you would be able to hear it more with a vocal engine but I still wouldn't expect a dramatic flare of revs each time you get ready to pull away. I know it works well on the emissions test but I really doubt it will make a significant difference to economy or emissions in the real world for a performance car that is much less likely to be driven in heavy traffic.
 
I guess it makes a small difference to the official stats, but then again, anything with a NA 6.3l, 650bhp V12 is never going to be anything other than horrendous when it comes to emissions and economy :lol:
 
Did he say 1800kg DRY weight? :eek: So, with fuel, fluids and driver it'll easily go over two tons.. :ill: While I still like the looks and performance, that weight figure is bit of a turn off..:indiff:
 
Watching the video, that clownshoe shape is just amazing. Moving, it truly does take a lot of from the cult-classic M Coupe, which is one of my favorite cars. This car is actually cool, which not many recent Ferraris were able to come close to pulling off.
 
I fail to understand why there is so much hate for this car :confused:, it is so appealing to me...

Agreed, I have some weird love for it...

I'm glad they didn't make it feel to girly though *cough cough* California *cough cough*
 
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