2014 BMW M3/M4, will it be tri turbo or not? Answer is sort of

[catamount39]

No, don't you see? There's a slight difference in the lower edge of the bumper, and the odd creases around the corner intakes are angled slightly more on the 4-series. And there's the ugly little vent behind the front wheels on the "premium" car. Jeeeeez.

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[Griffith500]

Nothing in the N/A six era from BMW sounded like a diesel. Especially the M cars.

I don't think the new ones do, either. But if all the acoustic noises are quieter (as they must be, especially compared to those old M cars) then all that's left is the mechanical noise.

Get close enough to one of those S54s and it can sound a bit clackety:

 

[VXR]

Oh they sure do sound like that with the bonnet up. I thought my old six sounded like a room full of faulty typewriters.

 

[AudiMan2011]

New 454hp M4 CS.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/shanghai-motor-show/behold-new-bmw-m4-cs

 

[Clark]

Nowhere near worth the extra money considering the E46 CS was only a couple of grand more than the 'normal' M3.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Nowhere near worth the extra money considering the E46 CS was only a couple of grand more than the 'normal' M3.

I was about to say it looks pretty great, until I saw your comment and checked the full article. £90K?! It's five grand less than a brand new M6, and more than a 911 S (though neither are likely to be had without options, I suppose).

That's just nuts.

 

[Stotty]

Saw this yesterday on another forum... £90k... WTF?

Piss take.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

New 454hp M4 CS.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/shanghai-motor-show/behold-new-bmw-m4-cs

So just did the run up before I got to bed on a Competition Package, and came out to around $75,000. So BMW is asking for 40K more for 10 more horsepower and a bit more tuning...

Like why do they think with every passing model they can get more and more asinine with pricing? Cause of the lineage? If so, they're nuts, when people with that money have a full list of cars they could buy with more in them than this. BMW just reaffirming why I haven't liked them since the E30.

 

[Clark]

Saw this yesterday on another forum... £90k... WTF?

Piss take.

Yet they'll probably sell every single one of them and at least half will probably be sold for a mark-up.

 

[Stotty]

So just did the run up before I got to bed on a Competition Package, and came out to around $75,000. So BMW is asking for 40K more for 10 more horsepower and a bit more tuning...

Like why do they think with every passing model they can get more and more asinine with pricing? Cause of the lineage? If so, they're nuts, when people with that money have a full list of cars they could buy with more in them than this. BMW just reaffirming why I haven't liked them since the E30.

$40k.

For a lot less than that, you could get a very decent engine tune, and a very, very nice set of custom valved dampers from a high end race supplier.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yet they'll probably sell every single one of them and at least half will probably be sold for a mark-up.

Forgot that was the reason, the consumer is entertaining the market to be this stupid.

$40k.

For a lot less than that, you could get a very decent engine tune, and a very, very nice set of custom valved dampers from a high end race supplier.

Exactly, hell you could get bigger turbos and a tune and more for the 40K it costs to turn a Competition pack into a CS. That's not counting the 7-8k you would save if you just bought a regular M4 and did all this.

 

[lxmmy]

Forgot that was the reason, the consumer is entertaining the market to be this stupid.


Exactly, hell you could get bigger turbos and a tune and more for the 40K it costs to turn a Competition pack into a CS. That's not counting the 7-8k you would save if you just bought a regular M4 and did all this.

Juat take a look at this package by Dinan. https://www.dinancars.com/product/f...-signature-package/?series=M-series&mid=1176/

Specs:

Max HP Gain 74
Max Torque Gain 106 @ 3500 RPM
Peak Horsepower 548 @ 6000 RPM
Peak Torque 549 @ 3500 RPM

All this gain for the price of only $10k including warranty.

And just imagine putting that package on something like this (2017 CP with delivery mileage)

... you will have the perfect spec M4 without the niggles.

 

[I6sexus]

Love the oled's tails but that price is insane.

Although a 911 starts at what about 90k and gets north of 200k

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Love the oled's tails but that price is insane.

Although a 911 starts at what about 90k and gets north of 200k

Yeah but that's different you are getting dramatic changes. That'd be like complaints about a Z06 being 50K more than the base model and 40k more than the grand sport. There is a justified reason, with the BMW it's not such. It's not like you're getting a 4 series and then the next step is a CS. No, you're starting with an M4 which is already high performance, then you go to CP for 7k more, then for 40k more you jump up to a CS?????? What the hell?

Now think about the comparison I just gave with the Corvette (which is the same to Porsche really). For 40k+ you get a car that handles far better, is lighter, stops harder and faster, and is almighty quick, with an increase in power of 200, rather than 10...

Please someone give me a justification for BMW, because I'm pretty sure you can't. Other than limited numbers yet again, with the hope you buy it and can later on get a profit for it.

 

[McLaren]

So just did the run up before I got to bed on a Competition Package, and came out to around $75,000. So BMW is asking for 40K more for 10 more horsepower and a bit more tuning...

Like why do they think with every passing model they can get more and more asinine with pricing? Cause of the lineage? If so, they're nuts, when people with that money have a full list of cars they could buy with more in them than this. BMW just reaffirming why I haven't liked them since the E30.

To be fair, you have to add more than just the Competition Package. Carbon ceramics are $8,000 alone and the DCT is $3,000. That alone brings it closer to $90,000.

It probably has one of the smaller lux packages as well.

Not to say it's not still a niche vehicle and is asking a lot, but the M4 GTS was $133,000, so I've read the CS may just north of $100,000. Maybe M6 territory?

 

[MatskiMonk]

To be fair, you have to add more than just the Competition Package. Carbon ceramics are $8,000 alone and the DCT is $3,000. That alone brings it closer to $90,000.

It probably has one of the smaller lux packages as well.

Not to say it's not still a niche vehicle and is asking a lot, but the M4 GTS was $133,000, so I've read the CS may just north of $100,000. Maybe M6 territory?

The CS does not come with Carbon Ceramic Brakes either. The DCT and the headlamps would take an M4 Comp Pack to $80,000, both cars have M adaptive suspension etc. So if it lands at $100,000 that equates roughly to $20,000 (a 25% hike) for OLED tail-lights, unique front splitter, unique gurney flap, unique interior, some unique paint options, a (technically unique but not really) wheel design, a GTS style CFRP bonnet, GTS style diffuser, 50 Nm torque increase, 10 hp power increase and 35kg weight decrease.

Rewind to 1990 and you might be wrestling with a similar dilemma over the E30 M3 Sport Evo.

 

[Clark]

It's as much as a Cayman Gt4 sells for now and I know what I'd have.

 

[McLaren]

The CS does not come with Carbon Ceramic Brakes either. The DCT and the headlamps would take an M4 Comp Pack to $80,000, both cars have M adaptive suspension etc. So if it lands at $100,000 that equates roughly to $20,000 (a 25% hike) for OLED tail-lights, unique front splitter, unique gurney flap, unique interior, some unique paint options, a (technically unique but not really) wheel design, a GTS style CFRP bonnet, GTS style diffuser, 50 Nm torque increase, 10 hp power increase and 35kg weight decrease.

Rewind to 1990 and you might be wrestling with a similar dilemma over the E30 M3 Sport Evo.

The car in the press release is wearing carbon ceramics, though, which is what I'm basing my original post on. So, they must be optional, then. Point retracted.

Going by what you're listing, $20,000 more isn't that bad. That's quite a lot of kit that could easily command $10,000 to spec on a regular M4. They'll sell every one regardless.

It's as much as a Cayman Gt4 sells for now and I know what I'd have.

This is reportedly, quite a bit faster on the 'Ring, but I'd pick the Porsche as well.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

To be fair, you have to add more than just the Competition Package. Carbon ceramics are $8,000 alone and the DCT is $3,000. That alone brings it closer to $90,000.

It probably has one of the smaller lux packages as well.

Not to say it's not still a niche vehicle and is asking a lot, but the M4 GTS was $133,000, so I've read the CS may just north of $100,000. Maybe M6 territory?

I'm confused at what you're talking about, I just did the estimator when I posted that and it was giving a msrp of 76k and some change I rounded down to $75k. When you convert the British pound pricing to USD for the CS you get 40K more than the $75K it would cost for a CP.

Also if this is M6 territory than they're even more stupid than I thought, because now this is eating into another model to sell a limited run niche version of your already performing M4. The only real deal you get worth the money I suppose is the GTS but even that is pushing it cause you could probably do a good amount of that work from a dinan or alpine for a fraction of the price.

Going by what you're listing, $20,000 more isn't that bad. That's quite a lot of kit that could easily command $10,000 to spec on a regular M4. They'll sell every one regardless.

This is quite true, and I said the same. Which just shows how easy it is to get away with this type of thing.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

New M4 with added bits

This is most likely the new CSL that was teased by the M division boss in 2017.

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1117444_is-bmw-cooking-up-an-m4-csl