2014 NASCAR Thread

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Which is why the Chase is a steaming pile of 🤬, but that's an entirely separate discussion. Also, NASCAR will make a "secret" rule change to stop the Fords from winning, given that a certain team and GM are more than likely in France's pocket.
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Not gonna happen. NASCAR isn't like F1; I fully believe NASCAR to be unbiased and nonpolitical. The closest they ever come to bias is fining drivers for throwing helmets and punches in some cases but not others, but that doesn't really affect the competition.
 
Not really NASCAR's fault that Ford got behind the 8 ball this year (as with Toyota). And if NASCAR was that biased against Ford, the Penske team would have essentially been a joke like Roush has been this year.
 
Finally.

If it rains at Watkins Glen or Sonoma next year it'll probably be the best race of the season.

Less aero is also good, but I'm not sure reducing power is the right thing to do.
Maybe they'll keep the same Daytona restrictor and turn one of the superspeedways into a handling track again.
 
meek
or they will leave them the same, and then there's a real point in Xfinity as a development and better talent estimation (looking at you, Stenhouse, Biffle, Dale Jr, etc...) Series.
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Are you trying to say they aren't talented? Biffle and Dale Jr are the last two Series champions out of an era where both the cup cars and GN cars were the same.


Bopop4
Less aero is also good, but I'm not sure reducing power is the right thing to do.
Maybe they'll keep the same Daytona restrictor and turn one of the superspeedways into a handling track again.
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Can they really though when both tracks are billiard smooth?
 
Gerarghini
I choose Gilliland to crew chief over and it doesn't matter who you choose as it's stupid easy to gain wins if you're patient enough.

Plus it doesn't hurt that I made him OP as hell :lol:
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OP ?

RACECAR
Are you trying to say they aren't talented?
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no, only that Nationwide Series wasn't a good way to estimate future Cup talent. With closer rules, it might be.

RACECAR
Biffle and Dale Jr are the last two Series champions out of an era where both the cup cars and GN cars were the same.
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oh, didn't know. Then they
a) they never had the (best) equipment in Cup they did in lower series
b) they didn't face as good competition in lower series
c) they were faster when they were younger, underachieved in Cup
d) combo of a, b & c
 
To add to the Nationwide/Cup discussion...

The two drivers with the most championships that currently compete in the Cup Series were mediocre in the Nationwide/Busch Series. So yes, showing talent in Nationwide does not mean they will be great in the Cup Series.
 
Anyone else think the new rules for 2015 has to do with Goodyear tires not being able to stand up to this new car? 125hp less and less downforce. Goodyear tires have been lackluster this year. High failure rates. They clearly need to step up their game. Rather than NASCAR blasting one of their primary sponsors just make the cars more Goodyear tire friendly? These new cars are the fastest cars NASCAR has ever seen. Smashing records on a regular basis. I don't believe this is to make it more competitive at all. The big teams will still find a way to make their cars have an advantage regardless of a hp limitation.
 
Nothing to do with the tires, or they would have done it years ago. Testing with the new package contradicts your predictions as well.

Also, turns out those aren't foundations for lights, but rather, foundations for a new fence at Dover.
 
So basically after this race, that old fence is coming then?
 
I think it's misdirection, since they didn't want Dale Jr breaking the news before they could do it.
 
Any predictions for this Sunday? I foresee the 18 in victory lane.

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JoshB1984
Ha.... if 2 or 22 winning again, we doomed! Just saying.
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Unfortunately, JGR doesn't seem to have it this year. Kenseth winless, 11 penalty etc. I listen to raceview audio and since the chase started the 18 has been saying that the engines have a little more power than they had during the regular season. 18 managed a pretty good finish last weekend considering the circumstances. I think this is a good opportunity for the 18. Regardless of his persona that kid can wheel a racecar extremely well.
 
I'm still thinking it'll either be Penske or Hendrick that'll have the championship winning car at the end of the season.
 
meek
oh, didn't know. Then they
a) they never had the (best) equipment in Cup they did in lower series
b) they didn't face as good competition in lower series
c) they were faster when they were younger, underachieved in Cup
d) combo of a, b & c
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That makes some to little sense, though. What constitutes good competition? I mean if we are to go by what those drivers he raced achieved then and now in cup, then I'd say Dale Jr. (since I don't nor have followed Biffle prior to cup and only follow him to rebuke arguments) had good competition. His main rival then was Matt Kenseth, who when he made it to cup was fast and still is fast, Junior himself when he got to cup was fast and still is fast. Thus that debunks the "younger thing" there are plenty of great drivers getting up in age and still don't have a championship due to the domination and driving in a JJ era. Also to touch on the talent one last bit, they had to do what current busch/nationwide/xfinity drivers do and that is race Cup regulars the good and the mediocre.

However, that isn't an excuse rather it just says JJ is better. I wouldn't say they didn't have the best equipment either, Junior had great equipment at DEI especially at plate tracks where their setup was the top one, but 2007 seemed to change this and multiple engine failures from the group left Junior out of the chase for the second time. It's ironic considering the big fallout between him fighting for ownership of the company which his sister would have helped him run (and probably would exist still and be a HMS supplied team most likely), and the fact that after the battle he jumped ship announcing he'd drive for HMS.

At HMS he had what could be argued the best equipment since JJ was winning championships every year up to that point and after until Stewart in 11. Junior had a bad 2009 and 2010 season but if it isn't due to any of the reasons you say then, why? Quite simply put, he just had bad seasons like any driver. Also more easily forgotten reasons some drivers never got a handle on the COT gen 5 cars and he was notoriously known to have this issue as was Gordon. He also had issues with crew chiefs (Eury but more notable Mcgrew), this didn't help him as a driver either and it becomes more obvious when we see how he did after the arrival of Latarte. Also when we see a switch to the Gen 6 car.

Even Biffle (though I don't like him) isn't a bad driver, it could be argued that team mates Edwards and former Kenseth are better but there were plenty of seasons were Biffle did good or great in the chase with this and 2011 being his awful years.

Point is there is far more to factor than just those simple portions and really those aren't even the taking points. Especially when Junior himself recently said he is still in his prime, but is cautious of falling off in a few years.
 
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It was just a few years ago that Biffle was leading the points standings for about half the year. If he could win a Cup title, he would be the first driver to win a championship in all three NASCAR national touring series.
 
Didn't catch most of the Nationwide race. Last major thing I saw was Chase Elliott almost getting collected by two cars that had no business being on the track, and Kyle Busch.

Guessing that either Logano won the race or Elliott overcame the adversity faced earlier in the race and won. Off to check the results...

Oh... well.. forgot Kyle Busch was in the race. :rolleyes:
 
GTPorsche
Didn't catch most of the Nationwide race. Last major thing I saw was Chase Elliott almost getting collected by two cars that had no business being on the track, and Kyle Busch.

Guessing that either Logano won the race or Elliott overcame the adversity faced earlier in the race and won. Off to check the results...

Oh... well.. forgot Kyle Busch was in the race. :rolleyes:
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The 54 and 22 are fighting for an Owner's Championship. Of course Kyle Busch was in the race. Chase will win the championship so don't worry about that.
 

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