2015 Fantasy/Prediction Formula 1: The Finale

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Insert evil Laugh

Oh and by the way, when do we find out about the rankings?

Right now

Winner of the first round goes to @ROAD_DOGG33J, this also means an extra CP as well


Notes: Please remember to submit final picks an hour before quali starts, most did this but @magpie1997 you didn't and thus had to get a -5 point deduction. Just remember to pick an hour before and you'll be fine.

It should also be noted though that the penalties stack, so the next one will be more severe if it's the same offense, this is a general announcement for those who missed that in the rules.

Secondly please make sure you check your picks before submitting them, in other words if you have two of the same driver I can't do anything for you after the fact. If I catch it (though not my job) before quali then I will inform you but you must ensure you do this for yourself as well. @ukfan758 you put Bottas twice which costs you some points, so just be aware for next time.

Lastly voting early does make a major difference as can be seen from this side of the championship.

Next week unless something major happens I will not be dropping the fifth driver. Thus if you pick someone and they do not make the race then that will pick will stay as is. I feel it's only fair to those few that actually made perfect picks without a driver that didn't DNF or DNS (@Harsk100 and @mattythedog this GP).

Furthermore, it should be noted that the line through marks for a couple of players (@Harsk100 and @mattythedog ) are due to the last minute rule of the top four drivers being totaled. Since DR wasn't counted for them, it basically stands as if he wasn't picked by them and thus they get to use him next week without wasting a CP, if they choose to. Everyone else mainly had Bottas dropped and so they will have to use a CP next week if they picked DR as well. If you don't have a line through mark, or your driver doesn't have a DNF or DNS, then you have to use a CP next week.

So if you picked Hami this week, the only way to play Hami next week is using a CP. If you want to use Hami without a CP you'd have to wait for China.

Finally, there are some disagreements about the triple crown races, if you can submit a post or pm to me, saying if you want to allow those three race or not would be great. I would like to keep the triple but in a new form where priority isn't given to three races on the calender more than the others, thus having predictions on outside races seems like a better option.

The WCC championship will be up soon as well, as the pick form for Malaysia will be up tomorrow. Thank you all for participating it was fun, even if the race was boring.

 

[Harsk100]

Why is Ricciardo striked through? Did he retire?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Why is Ricciardo striked through? Did he retire?

I explained it in the post. Everyone had their lowest driver dropped this weekend, due to the unusual circumstances seen. Since Botta, Kvyat and K-Mag didn't even make the grid and people couldn't change their vote due to how late we all found out. The easiest solution was to drop everyone's lowest pick and total their points for the four highest drivers. So DR is marked out because he was your lowest driver, but also to inform you that you can use him next week without having to worry about using a CP.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Kvyat and Max really didn't do me any favors.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Kvyat and Max really didn't do me any favors.

Well Kvyat wasn't counted. Blame STR with Max. That's what hurt you.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Well Kvyat wasn't counted. Blame STR with Max. That's what hurt you.

Yep it seems most used both Lewis and Nico, so that gives me a slight advantage for next round.

It's a really fun looking challenge this.Thanks for hosting @LMSCorvetteGT2 and what's your real name by the way?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So...

Six winners for the WCC, me, @Barra333 ,@DK ,@Spacegoat @tbwhhs , @magpie1997

Each of you is getting 1 CP.

I'm also going to do a CP system for the WCC, because it's going to be too easy for everyone to get the same points I feel if I don't.

EDIT: @sems4arsenal my real name is Josh.

 

[Jimlaad43]

How is it possible to pick Mercedes twice? They can't be first and second in the constructors championship

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

How is it possible to pick Mercedes twice? They can't be first and second in the constructors championship

Because you're picking the cars not a single construct. If we did that it'd be even easier to get points.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Because you're picking the cars not a single construct. If we did that it'd be even easier to get points.

So we're picking the cars and their finishing position?

It was never really made clear, I thought we were predicting the order of the constructors championship after the race.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So we're picking the cars and their finishing position?

It was never really made clear, I thought we were predicting the order of the constructors championship after the race.

No you're just picking the cars, if we just picked how we'd think the constructors will finish we'll have people going Merc, Ferrari, RBR, Williams, Sauber, STR every week. And if everyone did that then it wouldn't have any point at all. The problem is that the series is predictable even after the first race. And if we solely went off where the constructors stand once gaps open up between them, it will be even more predictable.

Say Mercedes has a 150pt lead come Spa or higher, both cars fail somehow and their nearest rival Ferrari finishes 1 and 2, you still know how to vote because Mercedes will still have the lead even with such a major event.

Say at the same GP before it starts the points are as such Merc 197, Ferrari 98, Williams 77, RBR 56, Sauber 31, STR 22, FI 18, McLaren 4, Manor 0.

At this point if you're predicting the pecking order after each race, there is little to no point because the gaps are so large that something catastrophic would need to happen to a team for another team to leap frog. And once you're at the 3rd or half point of the season the likelihood of that happening is not possible due to all the bugs/gremlins being solved.

Plus the championship would wrap up very quickly if a team like Mercedes wins the WCC before Japan or even by Japan. I tried the method you're describing in my prediction thread and it was boring and didn't work.

The only thing I can think to try is an alternative points system for that side of the championship, but I feel people will complain or call it too complicated and then drop out.

 

[ukfan758]

Right now

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Secondly please make sure you check your picks before submitting them, in other words if you have two of the same driver I can't do anything for you after the fact. If I catch it (though not my job) before quali then I will inform you but you must ensure you do this for yourself as well. @ukfan758 you put Bottas twice which costs you some points, so just be aware for next time.

*rages*

 

[aarror]

No you're just picking the cars, if we just picked how we'd think the constructors will finish we'll have people going Merc, Ferrari, RBR, Williams, Sauber, STR every week. And if everyone did that then it wouldn't have any point at all. The problem is that the series is predictable even after the first race. And if we solely went off where the constructors stand once gaps open up between them, it will be even more predictable.

Say Mercedes has a 150pt lead come Spa or higher, both cars fail somehow and their nearest rival Ferrari finishes 1 and 2, you still know how to vote because Mercedes will still have the lead even with such a major event.

Say at the same GP before it starts the points are as such Merc 197, Ferrari 98, Williams 77, RBR 56, Sauber 31, STR 22, FI 18, McLaren 4, Manor 0.

At this point if you're predicting the pecking order after each race, there is little to no point because the gaps are so large that something catastrophic would need to happen to a team for another team to leap frog. And once you're at the 3rd or half point of the season the likelihood of that happening is not possible due to all the bugs/gremlins being solved.

Plus the championship would wrap up very quickly if a team like Mercedes wins the WCC before Japan or even by Japan. I tried the method you're describing in my prediction thread and it was boring and didn't work.

The only thing I can think to try is an alternative points system for that side of the championship, but I feel people will complain or call it too complicated and then drop out.

Seems redundant then, it's the same as the drivers? You didn't make that very clear, like Jimlaad43 I thought it was which team scored the most points in that round.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

Seems redundant then, it's the same as the drivers? You didn't make that very clear, like Jimlaad43 I thought it was which team scored the most points in that round.

That is what I thought too.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Seems redundant then, it's the same as the drivers? You didn't make that very clear, like Jimlaad43 I thought it was which team scored the most points in that round.

Others got the concept, if you need things more clear please let me know before the event so everyone is on equal footing. While you few didn't get it, there are others that did and so due to that I had no way of knowing it wasn't clear. We can change the WCC method around as I said but the problem with just picking a constructor is clearly written out. And makes the concept mundane. The idea of picking Constructor in cars is a better method I feel due to the uncertainty of how one or both will finish.

For example, if I say Merc AMG with the concept you guys had and they finish 1-3 then I automatically gain 40 points and so do the many others that are going to do the same because of pecking order.

However, under the current method if I say Merc AMG I'm only voting on the highest finishing car and thus 25 points would be gained. You add in a CP counter and the strategy though similar to the WDC gets a bit more dicey. The point is I wanted a method of following both championships instead of just the drivers to award more points, but if you guys find issue with it, then please vote on that as well and we'll properly take care of it.

But don't just give criticism without trying to help me help all of us evolve the game in a way that we can all enjoy and feel equal about. Once again sorry, for the misunderstanding and let's try to communicate and build a game we all can appreciate.

 

[Jimlaad43]

I still see it as a bit redundant, it's just more things to throttle our CPs away. We're choosing the drivers, and that then makes it obvious which constructors we're choosing too.

 

[Barra333]

Just want ask a couple of questions about the constructor part of this...

- Is it completely stand alone from the driver part? (CPs, table etc)
- How exactly do the CPs for this bit work?
For example, my picks were MER, MER, RBR, RBR, FER, WIL. Does this mean I can pick neither of the MER or RBR and one each of FER and WIL without burning CPs?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I still see it as a bit redundant, it's just more things to throttle our CPs away. We're choosing the drivers, and that then makes it obvious which constructors we're choosing too.

...Um no it's not, considering the CPs for the WCC and WDC are separate if you guys do in fact agree to have them. It either that or a different points system, or dropping it all together. The thing is we have 20+ players and only a few have spoken so far that don't seem to want it at all, so I'm not just going to abandon it without a full on vote.

Another issue I see is that some people see what I'm saying for rules and then take it to mean something slighty different from intended. For example the proposed CP for the WCC, I never said you'd have to use WDC CP and I feel that if that were the case it'd be expanded upon as I've done for many things in the rules thus far. Yes, I agree one short coming has been that a few people didn't exactly understand the method of picking Cars/Constructors and yet again I apologize for that.

Just want ask a couple of questions about the constructor part of this...

- Is it completely stand alone from the driver part? (CPs, table etc)
- How exactly do the CPs for this bit work?
For example, my picks were MER, MER, RBR, RBR, FER, WIL. Does this mean I can pick neither of the MER or RBR and one each of FER and WIL without burning CPs?

Yes Barra it would be if you guys do in fact want it and more importantly want to keep that aspect of the championship.

You'd get less CPs to use (half the driver count) but awarded more if you win. In other words I want people to have to pick cars that they're unsure of but in a strategic manner.

Yes it would in fact mean that (in regards to the third question), you would then have to be wise and either decided how important it would be to burn an early CP, while filling the remainder with the other teams. If the next gp is anything like Round 1, then it's quite difficult. Or you could burn early CP in hopes of winning that round and then regaining some of the used CP back. Either method isn't a guarantee of success but strategic thought is involved.

Good questions and thank you for asking.

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As for why (just in case people are wondering) @Northstar set up a small constructor round last season for the miniature F1 championship. I enjoyed it and also thought the idea could be expanded on.

Also the new pick sheet is up, and I've added questions this time that are in regards to either keeping or not keeping certain aspects of the game as we know it so far. Thank you all again for the support and help, good luck.

 

[Barra333]

You'd get less CPs to use (half the driver count) but awarded more if you win. In other words I want people to have to pick cars that they're unsure of but in a strategic manner.

Yes it would in fact mean that (in regards to the third question), you would then have to be wise and either decided how important it would be to burn an early CP, while filling the remainder with the other teams. If the next gp is anything like Round 1, then it's quite difficult. Or you could burn early CP in hopes of winning that round and then regaining some of the used CP back. Either method isn't a guarantee of success but strategic thought is involved.

Thanks for the reply. Although it is going to be quite similar to the WDC in some ways, having less CPs available will make it different enough to be worth the effort - though most of the effort is at your end in tabulating the scores.

This part of the league could have been made clearer at the start, especially how separate or not the leaderboards are, but no harm done. I'm happy to carry on with it - takes very little effort on top of picking drivers. Once everyone gets their head around it, I think it will work.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I will be implementing the 3 CP per user toward the WCC (if it in fact stays), if you win a WCC weekend you will get two additional CP to use once anytime during the season after being awarded. So yeah there is that.

Any questions feel free to ask, as I've said and will continue to say. Good luck everyone.'

*this revision and any other revisions can and will be found in the OP the same day or next day after a rule change is made. However, a rule change shall go into effect from the moment it is announced.

 

[Furinkazen]

According to your pick WCC form @LMSCorvetteGT2 Sauber don't exist

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

According to your pick WCC form @LMSCorvetteGT2 Sauber don't exist

Oh dear, that isn't good. Well I guess I was so afraid of the almighty GVdG that I thought they'd die. Guess now that's over I should give them their spot back.

EDIT:

I just looked and it's there...

 

[Furinkazen]

Oh dear, that isn't good. Well I guess I was so afraid of the almighty GVdG that I thought they'd die. Guess now that's over I should give them the their spot back.

EDIT:

I just looked and it's there...

Wasn't showing on mine

 

[Jimlaad43]

Is the "Submitted Pick Form" bit going to show us what we've picked for this race? I can't remember if I've made my picks or not, and it doesn't tell me.

 

[Barra333]

The submitted pick form link is only showing submissions for Australia. I don't whether the link needs to be updated or the sheet is broken, but the picks I submitted a while ago aren't there.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Question, if if one of your drivers wins the race can you then pick him in the next race without using up a CP?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Wasn't showing on mine

I apologize then, don't know why it did that to you.

Question, if if one of your drivers wins the race can you then pick him in the next race without using up a CP?

No, if you picked that driver last race and they won and then pick them this race that will cause you to expend a single cp.

The submitted pick form link is only showing submissions for Australia. I don't whether the link needs to be updated or the sheet is broken, but the picks I submitted a while ago aren't there.

No, this was done on purpose. I am waiting to see everyone who votes and then posting it. It was out of courtesy for the votes you users made on the two questions I posed at the end. But if you're fine with that being public knowledge I can add the new link.

If you can't recall who you picked, you can always ask me and I'll tell you.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

My picks are in; have good race everyone

 

[Barra333]

@LMSCorvetteGT2 I'm fine with not seeing the picks. The only time I normally want to see them is after the race starts and I don't know who I picked, which really doesnt matter.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@LMSCorvetteGT2 I'm fine with not seeing the picks. The only time I normally want to see them is after the race starts and I don't know who I picked, which really doesnt matter.

I can post them up right before the race if you want. I'll just have the questions voted on blacked out.