2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

[Tornado]

Nah. They can make it FWD and call it the Probe II instead.

 

[Slash]

Might as well reboot the Mustang II badge for the thing.

The MII never had a turbo 4. It had a 4, just not a turbo 4. And unreliable it was, which this probably won't be. If Ford can pull it off, this will be a very nimble car.

Nah. They can make it FWD and call it the Probe II instead.

PLEASE GOD NO

 

[dkong40]

Nah. They can make it FWD and call it the Probe II instead.

I wrote "Probe II" on a piece of paper, and it pushed itself into the shredder.

I would much rather see the next 'Stang work as a natural evolution of the series, even if that evolution begins a move toward the projected prototype

 

[playnthru]

Probtang

Or the

Mustrobe


I didn't bring a coat soooo.....

 

[dkong40]

Probtang

Or the

Mustrobe

I didn't bring a coat soooo.....

Prunetang Cobra II

 

[Slash]

Prunetang Cobra II

Even I laughed at this.

I wrote "Probe II" on a piece of paper, and it pushed itself into the shredder.

I would much rather see the next 'Stang work as a natural evolution of the series, even if that evolution begins a move toward the projected prototype

I would as well but clearly that isn't going to happen at this point.

 

[Slash]

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...g-caught-in-a-hotel-parking-lot-ar159912.html

 

[ShobThaBob]

In what cars does the ecoboost 4 make more 300 or more hp?

 

[Organ-Donor]

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-news/spy-shots-2015-ford-mustang-caught-in-a-hotel-parking-lot-ar159912.html

Front looks like a new Fusion. To me it kinda sucks they are straying away from the current design. I think they nailed it with the '13, and is the best looking Mustang since the 60's. But who knows, I like Fords styling as of late, they may be on to something.

 

[Joey D]

It's really time for them to evolve the design out of the retro phase since the retro design cues are no longer in favor like they once were.

 

[Joel]

In what cars does the ecoboost 4 make more 300 or more hp?

None at the moment, in the Focus ST it makes 250 and that's the highest so far.

It's really time for them to evolve the design out of the retro phase since the retro design cues are no longer in favor like they once were.

I agree. By the time this car comes out it will have been a decade since the 2005MY retro redesign.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Ok. So you people are actually expecting a more than 20% increase in power from that powerplant? This is serioustalk here? And you're thinking actually closer to 350? Goofy.

 

[Joel]

Ok. So you people are actually expecting a more than 20% increase in power from that powerplant? This is serioustalk here? And you're thinking actually closer to 350? Goofy.

Well 350 is pretty silly. I read somewhere that they're planning on increasing displacement a bit so that combined with some massaging could make 290-300 a reasonable goal.

 

[Joey D]

Ok. So you people are actually expecting a more than 20% increase in power from that powerplant? This is serioustalk here? And you're thinking actually closer to 350? Goofy.

People have been getting over 400hp out of the 2.0T in the Focus ST, so I don't see why getting 300hp or more out of a 2.3T would be that hard.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

People have been getting over 400hp out of the 2.0T in the Focus ST, so I don't see why getting 300hp or more out of a 2.3T would be that hard.

It wouldn't be hard, it is done all the time with 2.4 and the ecotec (2l chevy 4cly) gets into the 270 range in certain cars.

 

[Slash]

To me it kinda sucks they are straying away from the current design. I think they nailed it with the '13, and is the best looking Mustang since the 60's.

I totally agree. 👍

None at the moment, in the Focus ST it makes 250 and that's the highest so far.



I agree. By the time this car comes out it will have been a decade since the 2005MY retro redesign.

Besides the Fox being a new design, it didn't stop Ford from selling them successfully for 15 years.

 

[ShobThaBob]

It wouldn't be hard, it is done all the time with 2.4 and the ecotec (2l chevy 4cly) gets into the 270 range in certain cars.

Ok, but we're talking about Ford and the Ecoboost. Why do people think it's likely that they're going to be getting 300+ from the factory in the Mustang equipped with the 4cyl? There's no evidence to suggest it, and they already have an engine in that power range which gets great MPGs.

 

[Joey D]

Ok, but we're talking about Ford and the Ecoboost. Why do people think it's likely that they're going to be getting 300+ from the factory in the Mustang equipped with the 4cyl? There's no evidence to suggest it, and they already have an engine in that power range which gets great MPGs.

They get 250hp out of an engine with 300cc less of displacement. Getting 50 more horsepower shouldn't be that much of an issue, especially when you have a massive development budget to work with.

 

[YSSMAN]

Ok, but we're talking about Ford and the Ecoboost. Why do people think it's likely that they're going to be getting 300+ from the factory in the Mustang equipped with the 4cyl? There's no evidence to suggest it, and they already have an engine in that power range which gets great MPGs.

It's not unreasonable to expect at least 260-300 BHP. But the thing is, as much as we bat around numbers for a four-cylinder, we really don't know what Ford will end up doing with engine options all together.

As of right now, I'd expect Ford to offer three engine options in the next-generation Mustang:

• 3.7L V6 - 305 BHP, a solid and "affordable" base engine that'll keep costs down for current entry-level buyers, as well as continued fleet sales
• 2.3L EcoBoost I4 - 300 BHP, contuined use of EcoBoost branding, offered as a "premium" option over the standard V6, perhaps as a performance option in this case
• 5.0L V8 - 420 BHP, I'd imagine that it's a worked-over variant of the current Coyote V8, with similar numbers as the previous-generation BOSS 302

 

[Slash]

They get 250hp out of an engine with 300cc less of displacement. Getting 50 more horsepower shouldn't be that much of an issue, especially when you have a massive development budget to work with.

And a rather large team backing it.

It's not unreasonable to expect at least 260-300 BHP. But the thing is, as much as we bat around numbers for a four-cylinder, we really don't know what Ford will end up doing with engine options all together.

As of right now, I'd expect Ford to offer three engine options in the next-generation Mustang:

• 3.7L V6 - 305 BHP, a solid and "affordable" base engine that'll keep costs down for current entry-level buyers, as well as continued fleet sales
• 2.3L EcoBoost I4 - 300 BHP, contuined use of EcoBoost branding, offered as a "premium" option over the standard V6, perhaps as a performance option in this case
• 5.0L V8 - 420 BHP, I'd imagine that it's a worked-over variant of the current Coyote V8, with similar numbers as the previous-generation BOSS 302

I'd imagine The 3.7L V6 will be more in the range of 320-350hp considering that the Taurus is putting down almost 370 N/A. The 4 should be around as you say 300-315, and I think the 5.0 will be up around what the Boss 302 was around, in the area of 430-440. If the SVT Mustang was revived, I'd really see something special.

I'd like to see several V8s offered like the old days again in the GT, but that won't ever happen.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'd imagine The 3.7L V6 will be more in the range of 320-350hp considering that the Taurus is putting down almost 370 N/A.

Wait, what?

 

[Joel]

I'd imagine The 3.7L V6 will be more in the range of 320-350hp considering that the Taurus is putting down almost 370 N/A.

Uhm...The Taurus SHO that puts out 365 is an ecoboost.

 

[ShobThaBob]

You guys are nuts and have nothing to base any of this off of.

 

[ShobThaBob]

It just makes no sense to boost power or displacement any more. The ST at 250hp and quite a bit lighter than the Mustang is only 3mpg highway better than the 3.7. Start enlarging and modding the ecoboost, and that small margin disappears. And for what? Extra developmental costs? It makes no sense, and thinking it'll happen just ignores the way that Ford has done business historically.

 

[Joey D]

It just makes no sense to boost power or displacement any more. The ST at 250hp and quite a bit lighter than the Mustang is only 3mpg highway better than the 3.7. Start enlarging and modding the ecoboost, and that small margin disappears. And for what? Extra developmental costs? It makes no sense, and thinking it'll happen just ignores the way that Ford has done business historically.

You're speculating just as much as the rest of us.

There's more to fuel economy then just the engine. There's nothing to say it won't get a double clutch transmission or even 7-speeds. We also have no idea what the compression will be, the rev range, or anything about the electronics. Ford could very well get 300hp out of a slightly larger 4 cylinder and still have decent fuel economy.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Decent, yes, but far better than what they're currently offering? Fat chance. There's just no precedent for it in the lineup or what they're offering for other cars. It's all wishful thinking based on nothing. Look at what Ford has done in the past. What wouldn't be surprising is seeing an NA 4cyl mustang making around 200hp. There is plenty of precedent for that.

 

[Joey D]

Decent, yes, but far better than what they're currently offering? Fat chance. There's just no precedent for it in the lineup or what they're offering for other cars. It's all wishful thinking based on nothing. Look at what Ford has done in the past. What wouldn't be surprising is seeing an NA 4cyl mustang making around 200hp. There is plenty of precedent for that.

Except we know it's going to be a turbo 4, so it will make at least 250hp if they use the exact same engine as the ST, but per all the rumors it's going to be a 2.3T meaning it'll have more than 250hp.

It would make more sense to have a turbo 4 and drop the V6 since to many people would bitch if Ford got rid of the V8 in favor of a turbo 6.

 

[ShobThaBob]

Except we know it's going to be a turbo 4, so it will make at least 250hp if they use the exact same engine as the ST, but per all the rumors it's going to be a 2.3T meaning it'll have more than 250hp.

It would make more sense to have a turbo 4 and drop the V6 since to many people would bitch if Ford got rid of the V8 in favor of a turbo 6.

Those same rumormills also suggest that the 4cyl is something mainly headed towards markets which directly tax based on engine size as well.

 

[dkong40]

Ok. So you people are actually expecting a more than 20% increase in power from that powerplant? This is serioustalk here? And you're thinking actually closer to 350? Goofy.

300hp is easily doable---Hyundai manages 274 from their 2.0l turbo 4

 

[ShobThaBob]

It also has god awful MPG - not a good prospect for an entry car that currently gets pretty darn good gas mileage with a lot of power.