2015 Nissan 370Z NISMO - General Discussion

[Sage Ages]

No one said it should have a V8. They're saying they should make one with a V8.

 

[ProjectWHaT]

What engine does the Juke NISMO have? I'm pretty sure they made a special edition Juke with a R35 engine. If they can fit in that, they should be able to fit it in a Z34.

 

[CodeRedR51]

No one said it should have a V8. They're saying they should make one with a V8.

You forget how things are going right now in the auto industry. Most manufactures are downsizing their engines, adding forced induction to make up for it, and searching for as much fuel mileage as they can find.

What engine does the Juke NISMO have? I'm pretty sure they made a special edition Juke with a R35 engine. If they can fit in that, they should be able to fit it in a Z34.

The Juke R was special built, and it's not just a simple engine swap. They basically put a Juke body on a GT-R chassis & drivetrain. Yes you can buy one, for $500,000.

 

[Sage Ages]

You forget how things are going right now in the auto industry. Most manufactures are downsizing their engines, adding forced induction to make up for it, and searching for as much fuel mileage as they can find.

I meant as a one-off concept or something.

 

[kennylmao]

Suddenly NISMO means turning a decent looking Nissan into something ugly. God, they ruined how it looked, this and the GT-R. The look of the previous NISMO Z was perfect.

R35 engine in a Z34. Do it. Now.

pls no. Z's aren't meant to have GT-R engines.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

As much as Fuel savings go, there are ways to do it in the V8 category it is isn't impossible. And ethier way if a Nismo production car is made it's going to cost a pretty penny to begin with despite I4, V6 or V8 so let's just quit with "well think about the money". No, think about the fact that it is a NISMO not a regular or even an S or SV or Vspec or whatever that wouldn't have such things in them.

I think the Altima with a V8 to demonstrate technology take from V8 Supercars is quite a reasonable request.

Someone get me a letter head, I have a letter to write!

 

[Sage Ages]

All I wanted was just some kind of concept car and people are getting into stuff like production and cost.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

A few pics from the secret photo shoot we did with Nissan of the 3 NISMOs together

 

[MCNAGTROC]

 

[Kent]

As much as Fuel savings go, there are ways to do it in the V8 category it is isn't impossible. And ethier way if a Nismo production car is made it's going to cost a pretty penny to begin with despite I4, V6 or V8 so let's just quit with "well think about the money". No, think about the fact that it is a NISMO not a regular or even an S or SV or Vspec or whatever that wouldn't have such things in them.

I think the Altima with a V8 to demonstrate technology take from V8 Supercars is quite a reasonable request.

Someone get me a letter head, I have a letter to write!

Actually, that is totally unreasonable.
An Altima?
Front wheel drive with an engine like that?
Build everything around it and spare no expense to make it good, it still isn't going to be as good as existing products.

Deal with it.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Actually, that is totally unreasonable.
An Altima?
Front wheel drive with an engine like that?
Build everything around it and spare no expense to make it good, it still isn't going to be as good as existing products.

Deal with it.

Clearly you don't understand to demonstrate its V8 technology. Thus it wouldn't be FWD...good job also if it is a Nismo it will be good so yeah.

Also not sure what I have to "deal with" but okay awkward person.

 

[Kent]

"Deal with it" was my way of saying you should probably just accept the fact that an Altima with a V8 is a bad idea that will never happen from the factory.

Now, that said, if you can explain how it would be a good idea to use the Altima as a platform to show off V8 technology then I'm all ears. However, I think it would be much more reasonable for Nissan to show off V8 technology in a platform already prepped for an engine of that size... Something like a Nismo Titan would be a good starting point in my opinion. 👍

I've also got to admit, tech from v8 supercars doesn't seem all that awe-inspiring to me. There wouldn't be any real tech demonstration to be made imho since v8 supercars are a pretty straight forward example of high power race cars. If I'm missing something about the complexity of their designs or engines I wouldn't be surprised but even then I can't imagine there is much to offer as platforms to migrate technology (other than maybe high hp figures).

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

"Deal with it" was my way of saying you should probably just accept the fact that an Altima with a V8 is a bad idea that will never happen from the factory.

You still have yet to demonstrate how a V8 altima is a bad idea...

Now, that said, if you can explain how it would be a good idea to use the Altima as a platform to show off V8 technology then I'm all ears. However, I think it would be much more reasonable for Nissan to show off V8 technology in a platform already prepped for an engine of that size... Something like a Nismo Titan would be a good starting point in my opinion. 👍

Um I already did demonstrate it or rather Nissan did when they use it for their V8 Supercars campaign. It would be a similar treatment that other groups do when their title running car bring enhancements to the road going counterpart. Volvo/Polestar, Chevy does it with GT class as well as other groups, Ford, Dodge, Ferrari, McLaren, Honda and so on...

If there had never been a V8 Altima race car already built and supplied by Nismo then obviously the request would be ludicrous but since there is that's quite different.

I've also got to admit, tech from v8 supercars doesn't seem all that awe-inspiring to me. There wouldn't be any real tech demonstration to be made imho since v8 supercars are a pretty straight forward example of high power race cars. If I'm missing something about the complexity of their designs or engines I wouldn't be surprised but even then I can't imagine there is much to offer as platforms to migrate technology (other than maybe high hp figures).

Well there is enough carry over from the COTF to be relevant I think for road going cars. The issue seems to be that you just don't like the sounds of it and thus rather write it off. Which is fine but only if as I said prior was a ludicrous request to begin with.

 

[Kent]

It's not that I don't like the sound of it.
I love the sound of an Altima sized car getting stuffed with a v8 making tons of power.
Does that mean it's a good idea for Nissan to do it? No.
It would be a huge waste of resources for Nissan to make a one-off Altima to show what it can do with a V8 when the same could be done with other platforms that would be more accommodating. You'd basically have to build a car that was not at all an Altima to accomplish what is being requested... So the question becomes one of, why waste all that time, money, and effort to wrap a great piece of engineering in a boring mid-size econo car when you could easily use those same resources to create a valid competitor to other sporty mid-size cars from other companies?

IMHO that's why an Altima, completely rebuilt to properly handle a v8, being offered by Nismo is a bad idea. Now, a v6 Altima running a nice transmission and some sporty suspension/tires would be great. I wonder if Nismo/Nissan would agree with me, infact, I think they did at one point in time and even then it wasn't special enough to get a full Nismo treatment.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/nissan-altima-se-r-short-take-road-test

All that said, the V8 Supercar issue has got to die already.
Using the reasoning that an Altima has been used in V8 Supercar racing and so it should be available as a Nismo vehicle is paramount to saying we should be getting RWD V8 Camrys from TRD because they use them in Nascar.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It's not that I don't like the sound of it.
I love the sound of an Altima sized car getting stuffed with a v8 making tons of power.
Does that mean it's a good idea for Nissan to do it? No.
It would be a huge waste of resources for Nissan to make a one-off Altima to show what it can do with a V8 when the same could be done with other platforms that would be more accommodating. You'd basically have to build a car that was not at all an Altima to accomplish what is being requested... So the question becomes one of, why waste all that time, money, and effort to wrap a great piece of engineering in a boring mid-size econo car when you could easily use those same resources to create a valid competitor to other sporty mid-size cars from other companies?

And the Juke R is some valuable assist to Nissan that isn't a waste of resources? Also that's not true considering they do quite a good job of using plenty of the Nissan Altima in the V8 supercar.

Also why does Chevy put Corvette tech in a zeta body from Australia that looks not that far off from a boring Impala, yet makes a cool sleeper sports sedan. Why would Ford waste their time with a V6 twin turbo (SHO) in a car that is obviously associated with old people. To you it's boring and too others it's subjective and varies obviously. You finding it boring isn't a pre-requisite to if it should or shouldn't be built.

IMHO that's why an Altima, completely rebuilt to properly handle a v8, being offered by Nismo is a bad idea. Now, a v6 Altima running a nice transmission and some sporty suspension/tires would be great. I wonder if Nismo/Nissan would agree with me, infact, I think they did at one point in time and even then it wasn't special enough to get a full Nismo treatment.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/nissan-altima-se-r-short-take-road-test

Yeah that exists already, it's called a Maxima with the Nismo package. Talking about the sporty V6 that is, so you aren't confused.

All that said, the V8 Supercar issue has got to die already.
Using the reasoning that an Altima has been used in V8 Supercar racing and so it should be available as a Nismo vehicle is paramount to saying we should be getting RWD V8 Camrys from TRD because they use them in Nascar.

...But they did do a one off of the Camary from TRD with a NASCAR V8. Also even if it didn't exist, the two are hardly comparable since V8 Supers is closer to stock cars than NASCAR has been in the past 25 years.

 

[Kent]

I think there's been a misunderstanding here... I thought you wanted a Nismo Altima like what we find with the Nismo Juke RS, Nismo Z, and Nismo GTR. I wasn't taking you to be talking about a Nismo Altima as a Juke-R type of car that isn't really available to the public (where as a Nismo Z is actually on the dealer lot 10 minutes from where I live).

And yeah, I get it, other companies make hot variants of existing models, that's not news to me. That doesn't change the fact that we are talking about putting a V8 in the Altima and releasing it as a Nismo car (which I still feel doesn't work as well as many other options they could do when addressing Nismo + Altima). Heck, they don't even use a V8 in the flagship GTR.

And again, with the Supercar V8 stuff, seriously, just let it go. There's no point in acting like the existence of a V8 racecar version of the Altima means it would be a good idea to produce a V8 street car under the Altima badge.

At this point I'm inclined to say we disagree and leave it at that but something tells me you'll just find offense in my reasons for saying a V8 Nismo Altima is a bad idea.

Doesn't matter regardless and I've done enough to put this thread off topic already.

Addressing the actual thread topic once again...
My local Nissan dealer actually has 4 Nismo Zs 2014my. I think I'm going to try and get a test drive, they look awesome and I'd love to see how they drive.
I wonder when the 2015 refreshed models will start showing up.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

This car goes on sale in July

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I think there's been a misunderstanding here... I thought you wanted a Nismo Altima like what we find with the Nismo Juke RS, Nismo Z, and Nismo GTR. I wasn't taking you to be talking about a Nismo Altima as a Juke-R type of car that isn't really available to the public (where as a Nismo Z is actually on the dealer lot 10 minutes from where I live).

There's 21 available and no I'm not talking about it in any one capacity.

And yeah, I get it, other companies make hot variants of existing models, that's not news to me. That doesn't change the fact that we are talking about putting a V8 in the Altima and releasing it as a Nismo car (which I still feel doesn't work as well as many other options they could do when addressing Nismo + Altima). Heck, they don't even use a V8 in the flagship GTR.

Okay well when the Altima comes in a performance variant the likes of the GT-R for it's category the sure your comparison might work. However, a V8 or turbo six would be an improvement on anything offered for the car as it is.

And again, with the Supercar V8 stuff, seriously, just let it go. There's no point in acting like the existence of a V8 racecar version of the Altima means it would be a good idea to produce a V8 street car under the Altima badge.

Uh I think I'll stick with it, as I've already specified.

At this point I'm inclined to say we disagree and leave it at that but something tells me you'll just find offense in my reasons for saying a V8 Nismo Altima is a bad idea.

Haven't found offense yet, and I didn't know debating = automatic offense? I just don't agree with your notion thus I'm perpetuating the subject in a relevant thread.

Doesn't matter regardless and I've done enough to put this thread off topic already.

Cool

Addressing the actual thread topic once again...
My local Nissan dealer actually has 4 Nismo Zs 2014my. I think I'm going to try and get a test drive, they look awesome and I'd love to see how they drive.
I wonder when the 2015 refreshed models will start showing up.

Good luck with that.

 

[Sage Ages]

I'm gonna save you the trouble.

Taking a car and stuffing in an engine that it wasn't originally designed for as well as the required drivetrain modifications is expensive and difficult. Production? Not happening. Kickass concept car and/or extremely limited production? Possible, but probably won't happen.

Does that help?

A V8 370Z would kickass. Do it.

 

[Kent]

There's 21 available and no I'm not talking about it in any one capacity.

Okay well when the Altima comes in a performance variant the likes of the GT-R for it's category the sure your comparison might work. However, a V8 or turbo six would be an improvement on anything offered for the car as it is.

Uh I think I'll stick with it, as I've already specified.

Haven't found offense yet, and I didn't know debating = automatic offense? I just don't agree with your notion thus I'm perpetuating the subject in a relevant thread.

Cool

Good luck with that.

-21 Juke R... At 600K+ each. 👍
-Improvements are good, and I agree that a new engine is great but this whole time I've simply said that putting a V8 into the Altima wasn't a good idea, never said I was opposed to a variant.
-You just stick to the V8 Supercar thing if you think it works, w/e. 👍
-Offense... When you called me an awkward person simply because I used the term "deal with it" I figured you were both offended and attempting to offend me. No biggie, glad you aren't mad.
-Cool indeed (even cooler if we can just let it go and stick with the 370 stuff). 👍
-No luck needed but thanks, generally it's pretty easy to get a test drive in something like the Z when you show up with a car of equal or greater value and roughly the same levels of performance. 👍

All that said...

Are all of the new Nismo Zs and other Nismos getting the red trim on the exterior?
I'm kinda torn on that look, not sure if I like it yet.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

-21 Juke R... At 600K+ each. 👍
-Improvements are good, and I agree that a new engine is great but this whole time I've simply said that putting a V8 into the Altima wasn't a good idea, never said I was opposed to a variant.

Never said you did either...

-You just stick to the V8 Supercar thing if you think it works, w/e. 👍

Looks like I made my mind up long ago.

-Offense... When you called me an awkward person simply because I used the term "deal with it" I figured you were both offended and attempting to offend me. No biggie, glad you aren't mad.

No, it was just strange...if me being honest is offensive then I guess I'll take a page from your book and do a like wise deal with it?

-Cool indeed (even cooler if we can just let it go and stick with the 370 stuff). 👍

Considering other nismo related Items have been talked about here, not sure why now that you've been put into the thick of a discussion makes it more pertinent to get back to that frame

-No luck needed but thanks, generally it's pretty easy to get a test drive in something like the Z when you show up with a car of equal or greater value and roughly the same levels of performance. 👍

Just a general well wishing is all it was, I'm aware no actual luck is needed but just in case...

I'm gonna save you the trouble.

Taking a car and stuffing in an engine that it wasn't originally designed for as well as the required drivetrain modifications is expensive and difficult. Production? Not happening. Kickass concept car and/or extremely limited production? Possible, but probably won't happen.

Does that help?

A V8 370Z would kickass. Do it.

Could of done the same to you a couple days ago as others tried, but I didn't.

 

[Sage Ages]

Could of done the same to you a couple days ago as others tried, but I didn't.

I'm an idiot that doesn't give enough information about my ideas and makes them sound like something different. You have the right to do so.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

Are all of the new Nismo Zs and other Nismos getting the red trim on the exterior?
I'm kinda torn on that look, not sure if I like it yet.

Yeah they want to have the brand conformity to where it trickles down to different buyers. like you see a GTR NISMO thats 165K and it shares the same identity as this 45K plus Z. or you see the 45K Z and see it shares the same image as a 26K Juke NISMO.


speaking of too much tie in....not sure if you guys have noticed and I didnt even put it together until i saw the pic on my PC next to the ones I took friday. but this NISMO Z is pretty much the identical kit from the Sentra NISMO concept re-purposed

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm an idiot that doesn't give enough information about my ideas and makes them sound like something different. You have the right to do so.

Well that's not true, you're not an idiot and the idea seems cool so why should I or any one else shoot it down, because we (who don't even work for nissan) think it's futile or a waste. That's my point.

@MCNAGTROC I'd trade in my Sentra SV today for a Nismo version if it went into production.

 

[RocZX]

speaking of too much tie in....not sure if you guys have noticed and I didnt even put it together until i saw the pic on my PC next to the ones I took friday. but this NISMO Z is pretty much the identical kit from the Sentra NISMO concept re-purposed

Yes, I said that before the official release on the 1st page of this thread.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

couple more exclusive shots

 

[Sage Ages]

Well that's not true, you're not an idiot and the idea seems cool so why should I or any one else shoot it down, because we (who don't even work for nissan) think it's futile or a waste. That's my point.

@MCNAGTROC I'd trade in my Sentra SV today for a Nismo version if it went into production.

I'm an idiot because I made it sound like it should be a full production vehicle instead if a one-off or concept car, which was what I meant.

 

[acedition333]

I like it! I liked the previous Nismo Z also. I wonder if we could option out the red trim for a custom color?? Or is the Nismo's all have the red trim?

Any prices for 2015?

 

[MCNAGTROC]

Red is the NISMO theme. pricing hasnt been announced but last years was 43K without the seats and no option of NAV or Auto. My bet is the base price doesnt change too much despite the facelift and the higher end seats as that 43K was a stretch to begin with.. but I think with the Nav option and the auto you are looking at maybe a 46K + car

 

[MCNAGTROC]