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So Man United played their first pre-season game at Wigan yesterday (the first game under Mourinho), and won 0-2 with goals from Pereira and Will Keane, Bailly Mkhitaryan and Shaw all played and the early signs look promising, Chelsea also had their first pre-season game and first under Conte against Rapid Vienna and lost 2-0.
 
So Man United played their first pre-season game at Wigan yesterday (the first game under Mourinho), and won 0-2 with goals from Pereira and Will Keane, Bailly Mkhitaryan and Shaw all played and the early signs look promising, Chelsea also had their first pre-season game and first under Conte against Rapid Vienna and lost 2-0.

I think Mourinho has an easier job than Conti and Guardiola. He has experience of the Premiership and Man U are a huge draw being such a big worldwide club.

Guardiola is in new territory, he inherited quality sides at Barca and Bayern, but not here at City. Conti has to deal with player power at Chelsea and Abramovich's love of the trigger finger.

But, I think this season is going to be very, very interesting, I'm really looking forward to it. It's not just the bigger clubs, but clubs like Everton who now has Koeman and what Bilic can do at West Ham.
 
West Ham and Leicester are chasing Ben Yedder. Probably one of the most entertaining strikers in Ligue 1 IMO.

Liverpool are set to sign Wijnaldum and Klavan.

N'jie wants to leave Spurs with Marseille interested to capture him.

With Juventus willing to outbid Arsenal, this could mean attention is focused on Icardi and Lacazette.

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Torino have signed Ljajic and Falque.

Arsenal are close to signing Rob Holding.
 
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Man City make an approach for West Ham's Recce Oxford.

MUFC's move for Pogba still on the cards with the club supposedly making and £87 million bid.

Steve Bruce has held 'informal' talks with the FA about the England job.
 
Following a rejection of AC Milan, Pjaca will join Juventus for a £22m fee.

Atletico have ruled out interest of Bacca and Icardi but look to bring back Costa.

Real Madrid are looking to sign Andre Gomes.

Gaston Ramirez has moved to Middlesbrough.
 
New red card rules for this season:

- Confronting referees and swearing at them
- Confronting referees and gesturing at them
- Same sort of behaviour on the touchline

New yellow card rules for this season:

- Visibly disrespectful behaviour
- Aggressive response to decisions
- Running at the ref to challenge a decision
- Surrounding the referee

Good! At long last! Now if you include retrospective red card dives, we might be able to drag football into the 21st century.

I imagine the first few games will be fun before players realise what the new boundaries are. It ought to teach the bully-boy big teams a lesson.
 
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I'm so glad they've finally introduced these rules. Respecting the officials should be a basic part of any sport at any level, the punishments outlined are very fair. I hope they filter down quickly to a grass roots level too, some of the things my friends who referee local leagues have to deal with is atrocious.
 
A load of pointless changes because they were all covered before and just like before the refs will not dare to do this and send multiple players off as teams will just walk off the pitch if they do it.

All these rules changes do is make it very easy for a ref to match fix should he want to. For example you can now get a card for touching the ref, whether in an aggressive manner or not and that is beyond stupid.
 
If the players behaved themselves in the first place there wouldn't be a need for these to be officially written into the laws of the game.

Interesting rule in gaelic football: if the referee gets any backchat from opposition players after awarding a free kick, the referee can move the dead ball 5 yards forwards before letting play continue in addition to carding the player in question. So let's say he awards a freekick and it's 25 yards from goal, if he gets any abuse he can move the ball forwards so it is 20 yards from goal before the kick is taken.

Sam Allerdyce set to be named England manager.
 
Stoke have made a £13million bid for Liverpool's Joe Allen, this is after it was reported yesterday that they made a £20 million bid for Berahino.

I like Sam Allardyce, I think he will do a good job with England, Moyes already favourite for the Sunderland job...
 
If the players behaved themselves in the first place there wouldn't be a need for these to be officially written into the laws of the game.

Interesting rule in gaelic football: if the referee gets any backchat from opposition players after awarding a free kick, the referee can move the dead ball 5 yards forwards before letting play continue in addition to carding the player in question. So let's say he awards a freekick and it's 25 yards from goal, if he gets any abuse he can move the ball forwards so it is 20 yards from goal before the kick is taken.

Sam Allerdyce set to be named England manager.


That's true but the players are paid to win, almost at any cost, whereas the referees are actually paid to enforce the rules.
In an ideal world they'd be no cheaters at all, so no need for a ref or really many rules at all, however that world does not and will never exist.

Changing or re-writing any rules that they don't currently properly understand or enforce is not the solution because it does not fix the actual problem. All it does it confuse things and add even more rules for them to get wrong and that will ruin some games and actually end up causing more problems for the referees.

Meanwhile simple changes that would actually make a real difference in some games, such as using TV pictures (where available) to spot the ball in close call penalty decisions or just awarding a goal for any handball offence that stops a clear goal, rather than give a penalty and encourage someone to cheat because they might get away with it, even if they are caught, are still not even considered as potential changes.

Of course we just get gimmicks like the vanishing spray that the referees are already not bothering to use most of the time, you know like the rule that they brought in where they could move free kicks forward for various things but just didn't bother with it after a while or the six second rule for goalkeepers that's long been forgotten unless it's the 90th minute.

In short, I agree that some of the player behaviour is awful but don't subscribe to the "the players are always naughty and the referees are always right" way of fixing it. The attitude the governing bodies and match officials give off is as disrespectful to the players as much as the players are to them, how is that going to fix anything.
 
Is he any good?

Considering Sunderland ended 17th last year, I'm not very sure about the guy. :ill:
He is a survivor and will make the best of what he could of his disposal but he did wonders at Bolton by getting them into Europe.

Julen Lopetegui is the new Spain manager.

Alex Song has joined Rubin Kazan who Yann M'Vila who has also returned.

Real Madrid looking to keep hold of Morata, as they turned down multiple bids for him.

Roma are negotiating for Amadou Diawara.

Hamsik is verging to sign a 'contract for life' with Napoli.

Schalke director has confirmed Sane will leave this summer.

Arsenal are keeping tabs on Charlton forward Ademola Lookman.
 
He is a survivor and will make the best of what he could of his disposal but he did wonders at Bolton by getting them into Europe.
And Roy Hodgson took Fulham to the Europa League final...

Big Sam is a better manager for the England job, but I'm not sure he's the man who will lead England to glory.
He's very old school.
 
And Roy Hodgson took Fulham to the Europa League final...

Big Sam is a better manager for the England job, but I'm not sure he's the man who will lead England to glory.
He's very old school.
I think he was making do with what he had, and that he is more tactically astute than people give him credit for.

If not, than England might get Carroll and Defoe starting up front with Cattermole and Noble dictating the midfield. :D
 
Man United's friendly with Man City at the weekend in China in doubt due to appalling weather and flash flossing in the area, the match is part of the International Champions Cup which is even bigger this year and starts tomorrow night, Ibrahimovic will wear the number 9 shirt this season.

Newcastle reportedly accept a £25 million bid from Liverpool for Winaujldum.

Stilyan Petrov will unfortunately not be offered a playing contract by Aston Villa but they want to keep him on as a coach.
 
Barcelona are set to complete a move for Andre Gomes.

West Ham are hearing from Bacca within the next 24 hours to whether he will join after West Ham agreed with the wage demand.
 
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That's true but the players are paid to win, almost at any cost, whereas the referees are actually paid to enforce the rules.
In an ideal world they'd be no cheaters at all, so no need for a ref or really many rules at all, however that world does not and will never exist.

Changing or re-writing any rules that they don't currently properly understand or enforce is not the solution because it does not fix the actual problem. All it does it confuse things and add even more rules for them to get wrong and that will ruin some games and actually end up causing more problems for the referees.
Meanwhile simple changes that would actually make a real difference in some games, such as using TV pictures (where available) to spot the ball in close call penalty decisions or just awarding a goal for any handball offence that stops a clear goal, rather than give a penalty and encourage someone to cheat because they might get away with it, even if they are caught, are still not even considered as potential changes.

Of course we just get gimmicks like the vanishing spray that the referees are already not bothering to use most of the time, you know like the rule that they brought in where they could move free kicks forward for various things but just didn't bother with it after a while or the six second rule for goalkeepers that's long been forgotten unless it's the 90th minute.

In short, I agree that some of the player behaviour is awful but don't subscribe to the "the players are always naughty and the referees are always right" way of fixing it. The attitude the governing bodies and match officials give off is as disrespectful to the players as much as the players are to them, how is that going to fix anything.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. In an ideal world players should be allowed to play without stringent rules clamping them down but they have been given a large amount of leniency for a number of years and, on the whole, have not conducted themselves in a mature and applied manner.

Call me a fussy purist but the trivial things you mentioned are exactly the things I want to see enforced; bring free-kicks forward. Book goalkeepers for dilly-dallying. Send people off for swearing at the ref and complaining. It's operant conditioning; negative reinforcement to a particular stimulus (yellow cards for timewasting/dissent etc.) ought to prevent future behavuour. No reinforcement or even positive reinforcement (as many believe that diving is coached these days) will result in this behaviour being repeated.

However I've never said that referees are above criticism. Rigorous referee training is clearly a must and referees must be judged by their performances and actions, or even their inactions. Apart from being dropped for a few weeks, referees do have an immunity from their bad decisions and this has to be addressed. Retroactive punishment is a slippery slope if you are able to manipulate the results of games after a match has ended but that's why I am fully on board with video refs like in rugby. And the sin bin for a yellow card like in rugby. And freezing the clock when it is out of play like in rugby.

There is no doubt in my mind that association football with rugby football refereeing would make the game so much better. You hear a lot that "football can learn a lot from rugby" but it's true. Not that rugby is perfect but it's still a valid point. Excuses like stopping the game for video refs slowing the game down is, to echo James Hunt, absolute 🤬. It takes a few seconds to confer with the video ref, perhaps even a minute. With a frozen clock, injury time would never be a problem. Once it hits 90, the game is up.

Then again, in rugby there seems to be a respect from the players for the referee's authority that is lacking in football and I don't know how that can be addressed.
 
Then again, in rugby there seems to be a respect from the players for the referee's authority that is lacking in football and I don't know how that can be addressed.
Punishment for speaking out at the ref, combined with the mic help this.

Video refs wouldn't need to be used every couple of minutes, it would slow the game down in big moments, like a goal or a big call would anyways, and it would be a lot more welcome than the substitutions slowing the game down come the last half hour, personally.
 
Excuses like stopping the game for video refs slowing the game down is, to echo James Hunt, absolute 🤬. It takes a few seconds to confer with the video ref, perhaps even a minute. With a frozen clock, injury time would never be a problem. Once it hits 90, the game is up.
I never thought the time it takes to watch the replay the slowing the game" issue. It's more how do you stop it.
Say for instance there's a referral system that other sports use and there's a penalty claim not given, the defending team launches a quick counter attack and then the captain or coach wants to refer the penalty decision. He could be stopping a goalscoring chance without doing any defending to potentially find the correct decision was made. (I hope that makes sense)
If you give the referee the power to use the replay they will use it for everything, like how every wicket in international cricket now comes with a compulsory no ball check regardless of where the front foot lands.
Then again, in rugby there seems to be a respect from the players for the referee's authority that is lacking in football and I don't know how that can be addressed.
Is it not written in the rules that rugby players have to call the referee "Sir"? Respect probably forms there.
 
Arsenal have been given a huge boost in the chase in Lacazette as he has said he wants to leave the club. Plus Ginter was not involved the pre season tour which sparked rumours about Arsenal or Wolfsburg in capturing him.

Barcelona are close to signing Luciano Vietto.

Halilovic has joined Hamburg but with a €10m buy back clause.

Watford have signed Djedje from Marseille.

Hamburg are lining up for a move for Jordan Ayew for around £8m.

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Vazquez signs for Sevilla.
 
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Dunno why we're going after Wijnaldum when Philippe will keep him out the team all season.:P he's too good to be a backup player.
 
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