2016/17 Premier League & General Football Discussion
- Thread starter Liquid
- 2,138 comments
- 69,952 views
- 29,392
- Glasgow
- GTP_Mars
- 893
- Mill Creek, WA
- HighSeasHoMastr
- HighSeasHoMastr
Isn't that called RB Salzburg these days?
- 29,993
- Bratvegas
- GTP_Liquid
All things considered, Red Bull Salzburg are prime 2011, 2013 Vettel.
Red Bull Leipzig are 2008 "making their way to the top" Vettel.
- 15,916
- wrexham
- jameskent86451
- Jamobomb86
West Ham seem to have solved their striker problem by getting Simone Zaza on loan, i think its best that they don't let him take penalties though!
Joe Hart is mulling over a loan move to Torino, the only Premier League team said to be interested is Sunderland.
Last full day of the transfer window is tomorrow, it shuts at 11pm on Wednesday.
Joe Hart is mulling over a loan move to Torino, the only Premier League team said to be interested is Sunderland.
Last full day of the transfer window is tomorrow, it shuts at 11pm on Wednesday.
- 9,401
- Western Sydney
- mustafur
Players won't stay either would manager, but keep in mind the players are not the same quality as they where, take a look at when Celtic last beat it's transfer record for a player it was over 10 years ago. The championship alone would supply more money then the Scottish league would so in reality it's maybe 3 years of pain for significant gain.
- 12,513
- Ireland
- The__Luke
I'm not so sure. The signings that Celtic and Rangers made this summer send a message that both teams are serious about making Scottish football better. It's a slow process but if Celtic and Rangers can consistently do something in Europe bringing in money and increasing the coefficient, they will be in better shape then going into English football from the bottom.
It's hard to predict the financial future of the Scottish league for Celtic and Rangers, but for international reputation, they are better off in Scotland and qualifying for Europe.
- 9,401
- Western Sydney
- mustafur
I would argue both in the English system would be close to top 4 material in the EPL within 10 years, their fan base, Stadiums and attraction to Sponsers + EPL money would make them one of the biggest in the world, staying in Scotland means everything is smaller, it's almost like a championship side that has champions league Possibility but their league pays nothing so their financial future is completely dependant on what they do in Europe.
Rangers have proven going down many tiers doesn't kill the clubs base support, and that is only to get back in Scottish Top Div, if it was England i would bet alot more would be there to enjoy the ride.
Brend
Premium
- 11,772
- Scotland
- GTSophy-Lapos
- ClassicBrend
Once again, they didn't have a choice. What else could they have done? If they willingly made the decision to go to a fifth tier I don't think it would be received too much at all.
Personally, I think the Championship would be easily winnable with our current team. Celtic wouldn't accept a 5th tier invitation - it just wouldn't happen (or rather, I can't see it happening...)
- 29,993
- Bratvegas
- GTP_Liquid
Because of how lucrative European football is in terms of revenue and transfer power, it's always better to be a big fish in a small pond.
There's a not too dissimilar situation in the Welsh league. There's one full-time professional club and they've been a dominant force for over a decade; TNS. They've won 9 of the last 12 titles including a current run of 5 in a row. They've also won six doubles and two trebles in that time.
TNS are based in Oswestry (in England, ironically) which isn't too far from Wrexham and the TNS top brass often like to tease that they could beat Wrexham seeing as how our misfortune sees us in the Conference but would TNS ever actually join the English league and work their way up from the Shropshire county league? Of course they won't. Why would they? Why would they give up their golden goose of titles and cups and European runs to be slugging it out in the English lower leagues?
And why would Celtic and their plus one, whoever it may be? Sure, they'd get a shortcut and be entered into the Football League from day one and even if they are several classes above TNS and any English third tier team, there's no guarantee that they would even make it to the Premier League and even if they did, I don't think they would be good enough to compete for the English title.
Celtic (and Rangers) can draw players in not only due to their history but also due to the opportunity and challenge of playing in the Champions League and Europa League. That is a huge selling point and that would disappear with a transfer to the English leagues. It would be foolish to give that up.
As for fixing this:
That's another matter entirely.
There's a not too dissimilar situation in the Welsh league. There's one full-time professional club and they've been a dominant force for over a decade; TNS. They've won 9 of the last 12 titles including a current run of 5 in a row. They've also won six doubles and two trebles in that time.
TNS are based in Oswestry (in England, ironically) which isn't too far from Wrexham and the TNS top brass often like to tease that they could beat Wrexham seeing as how our misfortune sees us in the Conference but would TNS ever actually join the English league and work their way up from the Shropshire county league? Of course they won't. Why would they? Why would they give up their golden goose of titles and cups and European runs to be slugging it out in the English lower leagues?
And why would Celtic and their plus one, whoever it may be? Sure, they'd get a shortcut and be entered into the Football League from day one and even if they are several classes above TNS and any English third tier team, there's no guarantee that they would even make it to the Premier League and even if they did, I don't think they would be good enough to compete for the English title.
Celtic (and Rangers) can draw players in not only due to their history but also due to the opportunity and challenge of playing in the Champions League and Europa League. That is a huge selling point and that would disappear with a transfer to the English leagues. It would be foolish to give that up.
As for fixing this:
That's another matter entirely.
Brend
Premium
- 11,772
- Scotland
- GTSophy-Lapos
- ClassicBrend
- 29,993
- Bratvegas
- GTP_Liquid
In other news, I'm going to watch Slovakia vs England on Sunday. It's in Trnava, a place about 30 mins from Bratislava. 58 bloody euros for the main stands! It was 28 for behind the goal but they sold out quickly. It's usually not that expensive; they've only jacked up the prices because it's England.
I'm quite excited. I've got my Slovakia flag ready and everything.
I'm quite excited. I've got my Slovakia flag ready and everything.
- 4,487
- YorkshireLand
- SVTlover
- 3,334
- NJ
- koszak27
I was catching up on some AC Milan news earlier:
- Loaned in Croatian midfielder Mario Pasalic of Chelsea.
- Interested in defenders Rodrigo Caio of Sao Paulo (Gold medal winner for Brazil this month) and Villareal's Mateo Musacchio but Chinese funds won't be available until after the window is shut (Sept. 9).
- Milan had 6 players named to the Italian national team under new manager Gian Piero Ventura. Among them are starting goalie Gianluigi Donnarumma who becomes the youngest player named to the Italian side in 105 years at 17 years and 6 months old.
- Jose Mauri likely to be loaned to Empoli.
- Loaned in Croatian midfielder Mario Pasalic of Chelsea.
- Interested in defenders Rodrigo Caio of Sao Paulo (Gold medal winner for Brazil this month) and Villareal's Mateo Musacchio but Chinese funds won't be available until after the window is shut (Sept. 9).
- Milan had 6 players named to the Italian national team under new manager Gian Piero Ventura. Among them are starting goalie Gianluigi Donnarumma who becomes the youngest player named to the Italian side in 105 years at 17 years and 6 months old.
- Jose Mauri likely to be loaned to Empoli.
- 15,916
- wrexham
- jameskent86451
- Jamobomb86
Sergio Aguero charged for violent conduct by the FA for his elbow on Winston Reid, no word on punishment yet but if its a ban then he will miss the Manchester derby in less than two weeks.
Jack Wilshire has been made available for loan by Arsenal, Come to Swansea Jack, we'll sort you out!
Jack Wilshire has been made available for loan by Arsenal, Come to Swansea Jack, we'll sort you out!
- 4,081
- Somerset
- Pagey279
Bye bye Chadli.
Absolutely maddening.
It might have been his choice to go because he wasn't getting much game time and if that's the case then fair enough.
But if Levy wanted to get rid of him to pay for Zaha then he's got less sense than I thought, Chadli is quality, a really good player who can change the game. We need players like that especially in the champions league, Zaha has done naff all in the prem let alone against teams like Madrid, Juve, Barca (if we end up playing them)
- 4,962
- Nelson, England
- GTP_ASH32
Now that Aguero has been charged that's almost certainly going to mean a three match ban (two in the league the other in the cup), so he's already gone from my fantasy team.
As for Wilshere he'll improve half that teams in the league so they'll surely be interest but the chances are as soon as he plays any matches he'll be injured again.
- 4,897
- UK
Perez and Mustafi deals are now officially done.
Sevilla make a strange move in letting Konoplyanka on loan to Schalke in exchange for Nasri to replace him for a season.
Martins Indi will be set to join Stoke on loan.
Paco Alcacer has officially moved to Barcelona. The Valenica team is just being dismantled this transfer window. Losing their key striker, central midfielder and defender within the space of a month.
Leicester are planning for a double swoop for Slimani and Adrien Silva.
Back in April:
Sevilla make a strange move in letting Konoplyanka on loan to Schalke in exchange for Nasri to replace him for a season.
Martins Indi will be set to join Stoke on loan.
Paco Alcacer has officially moved to Barcelona. The Valenica team is just being dismantled this transfer window. Losing their key striker, central midfielder and defender within the space of a month.
Leicester are planning for a double swoop for Slimani and Adrien Silva.
Back in April:
- 12,513
- Ireland
- The__Luke
We've been linked to quite a few players, the highlight being Isco but there is nothing concrete. Mason was also sold earlier.
Players need to be bought, N'Koudou is waiting to be confirmed but there I'm concerned at the lack of depth. And Zaha is not good enough, may as well have kept Townsend if that's the level of player wanted.
- 4,897
- UK
Really liked the look of how Mason played but I can't see the Isco deal happening unless Spurs would like to spend in the region of £40m for him as Real will definitely seek at least a return on investment from their €30m they had paid for him from Malaga.
N'Koudou is a similar player to N'Jie. Sources confirmed Spurs rejected bids for Son so we could see him play more of a major role.
- 12,513
- Ireland
- The__Luke
Mason realistically wasn't good enough, we need someone who can spell Dembele when he's absent and Mason isn't that player.
Isco if it were to happen would probably be a loan deal, although I think he's more likely to go to Malaga.
N'Koudou is supposedly a little more talented than N'Jie, who wasn't much more than a quick player, although I don't think he was given much of a chance.
I doubt Son will be given a more prominent role, he'll have a hard time breaking into the team unless Eriksen and Alli continue their patchy form, although Janssen looks like he's more likely to play instead of Son.
The only other transfer stories that aren't complete tosh I've read are Spurs making a verbal bid for Coric, who has refused a move to Liverpool because he wouldn't be a starter, 'monitoring the situation' over Bazoer who apparently is looking to leave Ajax, and (what I hope is BS) a potential bid for Moussa Sissoko.
- 4,897
- UK
We are talking about the same Son? Son is a direct replacement for Chadli who are both left sided wingers/midfielders. I haven't seen him play striker since he was playing for Hamburg and during the early stages of Leverkusen.
Bazoer won't leave Ajax this season but probably next season as he is hot property on the young players scene at the moment and Ajax will definitely make the most it by putting an obscene price tag on him.
