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They were clearly dominating since the beggining of season, and didn't get any BoP favouritism or as much at least. Now they are possibly slower than the Fords.
2016 Le Mans 24 Hours - 15th to 19th June 2016
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But if the Fords should be boped down then so should Ferrari as if not Ferrari will then be 3-4 seconds a lap faster than anyone else if you take the fords back to 3:54-3:55
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No, the Ferrari have had their superiority in it since Silverstone, it's just gone wider with a bigger track as they could have been boped at any time because their pace was obvious.
I know must of the teams are doing it, but the way Ford has done it is much closer to cheating and manipulating to gain BoP adjustment favoritsim.
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So just leave Ferrari OP instead?
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For me the saddest part about sandbagging is not how it impacts the 24, as much as it devalues the rest of the championship.
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You are missing the point. It isn't a matter of leaving Ferrari and handicap the Fords. As I said, Ferrari's pace was obvious, but It's the fact that Ford has "Hidden" its performance way too far to gain an advantage worth 3-4 secs over the rest of the filed. Regardless whether or not they now has the same pace as the Ferrari's.
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I think you're missing the point of balance of performance.
Balance of performance is balancing all performances so the cars perform identical. You can't balance the performance of the Ford down to the same as the others to 3:54-3:55 and leave the ferraris running 3:51's
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I should add this too, if I was Doug Fehan and GM I would seriously consider if they should continue to support the ACO and make this year's trip to France the last. The level of incompetence it takes to miss the BOP data this much is staggering or it took a pay to play structure like FIFA to get this bad. Either way it looks bad.
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As a Ford fan, instinctively it's difficult for me. On one hand, Ford and Chip Ganassi just played everyone's game better. But on the other hand, if you cannot see from telemetry that they are not going 100 or even 75% then there's a massive oversight. All we can hope for is that Ferrari and Ford get 'nerfed' down to the rest.
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Something seriously needs to be done about this sandbagging garbage, so sick and tired of this. Every single 🤬 year there's this circus, and this year its worse than ever. I don't know the proper solution, but it needs to be dealt with. It's disgusting at this point. Get the cars evened out before the season with heavy amounts of testing or something, anything, then get on with it. This fluid BoP 🤬 is almost insanity.
Edit: I have to ask, does GT3 have a sandbagging issue in any GT3 category? On this scale I mean, because if not then the GT3 methods of BoP should be looked at...
Edit: I have to ask, does GT3 have a sandbagging issue in any GT3 category? On this scale I mean, because if not then the GT3 methods of BoP should be looked at...
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I think the solution should be to let the manufacturers and teams make best car they can within the regulations. It's more true to the win on Sunday, sell on Monday philosophy.
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There was a poster at 10/10ths who wears a helmet on the weekends who said that Cadillac had a version of their car BOP'd and then showed up at the track last year in PWC with a new spec (the one that burned to the ground at Barber). Lambo stole the IP of the illegal Audi restrictor too.
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Mid-1990's GT1? Group 5 maybe? IMSA GTO/U? What was the last GT class with no BoP?
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A big part of the issue is that teams/manufacturers are prepared to sacrifice an entire season for the sake of a result at one race. There's no point in sandbagging for a championship title.
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Nobody can say for certain, but I'm willing to bet it would look something like this:
- 1, or maybe 2, manufacturers dominate
- a money arms race ensues
- most of the manufacturers leave because the haven't got the money to spend to keep up
- everyone moans because the racing is boring
As opposed to now:
- 1, or maybe 2, manufacturers have an advantage having built a better car
- BoP is brought in to level the playing field
- 1, or maybe 2, manufacturers play the system better than anyone else and win
- everyone moans because BoP is a thing
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I don't exactly gree with sandbagging, but you know it's going to happen. Hopefully the ACO comes up with aomethi g to bring everyone back together in the lap times. The question is, are the GT's at a reliable position yet? Those things could hold up for 23 hours and 30 minutes, and be the fastest thing out there, but it doesn't mean jack if they grenade at the end.
That being said, I hope the 'Vettes get everything strightened out and absolutly obliterate the Fords, just to show that you don't need a fancy twin turbo V6 for a good sportscar!
That being said, I hope the 'Vettes get everything strightened out and absolutly obliterate the Fords, just to show that you don't need a fancy twin turbo V6 for a good sportscar!
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Shank Racing facing a 5 min penalty for a engine change. http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/06/16/engine-change-for-michael-shank-ligier.html
and Michelin cup qualifying is about to start. http://www.gt3lemanscup.com/en/
and Michelin cup qualifying is about to start. http://www.gt3lemanscup.com/en/
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