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He was 3/1 to win after that but I couldn't be bothered to set up an account
In that race Raul Fernandez became the first GP racer to be born this century.
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In that race Raul Fernandez became the first GP racer to be born this century.
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I'm finding the coverage of 2017 testing very frustrating. All anyone is focusing on is Lorenzo, Rossi and Marquez. If somebody else winds up in the shot, it appears to be purely by accident. It's annoying because KTM are in Valencia in full force, while it's the MotoGP début for the Moto2 frontrunners like Zarco and Rins. All of which is being ignored.
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Well it is not 2017 yet, and thus could run with wings.
The thing that many speculate now is that the winglets are banned but making a fairing wider with integrated wings like shark/fishgeels may be allowed as they are a part of the fairing and not winglets that are sticking out from the fairing. Gonna be interesting that is for sure.
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I see Binder underwent arm surgery yesterday to repair damage following a high side in testing, apparently the bike landed on him 
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This is unbelievable: http://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rea-outpaces-the-motogp-riders-on-day-two-at-jerez-853466/
Jonathan Rea quicker than all the MotoGP riders at the Jerez test (and quicker than last years pole time). That's like walking into a Ferrari dealer and buying a 488, bolting a few extras on it then sticking it on pole ahead of Vettel at the Spanish GP. Really impressive.
Jonathan Rea quicker than all the MotoGP riders at the Jerez test (and quicker than last years pole time). That's like walking into a Ferrari dealer and buying a 488, bolting a few extras on it then sticking it on pole ahead of Vettel at the Spanish GP. Really impressive.
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As a Kawasaki fan, I always wondered why they never one went back to moto, and two took so long to get back to the top of WSBK. I feel with the return of Suzuki, Aprilia and new arrival KTM perhaps Kawasaki should return to the top rung.
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Got MotoGP's offseason thing for 85p. All races of all classes since 1992 and watched a few races.
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I also have that, though looking through the archives the regular selection of full races doesn't really begin until the 2000's, the previous seasons mostly just have a few races that have been dubbed classics.
Not a huge problem for me though since I've got everything I need right now at my fingertips
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Aleix took to twitter to say it was just the tyres. He wasn't using qualifying tyres though, just in the middle of a race simulation; you can see why I've been banging on about him for years now!
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85p as in £0.85 ?
Was that a special deal on the day or something? It says €25 for a videopass valid until March.
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I thought that at first but try telling a racer that a podium might not be worth it.
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No I wasn't, but going from 7th to 1st in motorbike racing is far more common than touring cars; especially if you've proven yourself quicker than those 6 in front by beating them in the first race.
Out of interest, how did the points work in WTCC then?
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Like today. 25 points for the winner, down to 1 point for 10th place. A points system that I don't agree with at all, I might add.
For example: instead of finishing 4th twice (24 points total) you could finish the first race in 9th or 10th on purpose and take your shot at winning the second race for a total of 26, 27 points.
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That's slightly different though because they use a straight reverse grid for the top ten, which I would prefer purely because it's easier for the occasional spectator to understand. In your example it's the difference of 5/6 race positions for the same gridwise, whereas now in WSB gaining 3rd place at the last corner of race 1 will get you 3 extra points but cost you 6 grid places for tomorrow.
Edit: plus bonus money for the podium.
My personal preferences would be:
1.Keep it the way it is.
2.The BSB method of race 1 fastest laps decides race 2 grid.
3.Sunday warm up is now a half hour qualifying session.
4.Simple reverse for top 9ish.
5.What they're actually doing.
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Actually the wsb bikes have(had) better electronics than the 2016 motogp bikes, and it is the first year Mitchelin is providing the tires for the Motogp paddock and motogp bikes have almost 300 hp, I think the latest figures for the ducati was 280+hp. Must be quite the challenge to ride an overpowered and uncontrollable motogp compared to a slightly well balanced Wsbk bike. Next year though the wsbk bikes will be more like superstock bikes so the difference will be probably bigger.
But still, it is the rider that matters on a bike as we all know. a bike with 280hp compared to a 200hp may not be faster at all if the rider is a noob
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Actually the wsb bikes have(had) better electronics than the 2016 motogp bikes, and it is the first year Mitchelin is providing the tires for the Motogp paddock and motogp bikes have almost 300 hp, I think the latest figures for the ducati was 280+hp. Must be quite the challenge to ride an overpowered and uncontrollable motogp compared to a slightly well balanced Wsbk bike. Next year though the wsbk bikes will be more like superstock bikes so the difference will be probably bigger.
But still, it is the rider that matters on a bike as we all know. a bike with 280hp compared to a 200hp may not be faster at all if the rider is a noob
I've never seen that power figure for moto, I've only ever seen the 240-260~ claim which is why WSBK aren't that far down. What I've always been told and read that was the reason for the vast price difference is one is a prototype bike, has a sophisticated ecu, traction control, light weight exotic materials the usual carbon and stuff...not sure where you got the 280 number almost 300.
KTM claims they're producing 270hp so that's pretty big compared to the 240 seen in a WSBK but if the bike isn't sorted then it's just a powerful weapon under nothing to support it.
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It has been said/confirmed both by the btsport and official motogp commentators, I think it was at one of the three last motogp events. Think it was during one of the practice or qualification sessions. Motogp has not had a more advanced electronics package if you compare to wsbk bikes this year. It is why Motogpe have winglets on, to stop the bikes from wheele, because the level is back at about 2008 years of level. Magneti Marelli is the provider and every team has the same spec electronics, even the factory teams. Gone are the days when Yamaha and Honda had spaceship level of electornic on their bikes. But in Wsbk the teams were allowed to develop their own electronics package like motogp could some two years ago.
so if ktm have 270bhp, it is impossible for the other manufacturers to have that amount of power? You have to remember that they are prototypes with pneumatic valve operated cylinder heads that wsbk bikes are not allowed to use right now as the bikes must be homologized
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Who said that KTM are only capable? What was said is no where is there an official claim that the other groups are making that power or find that level of power necessary. The official power they give is what I told you. Unless you have a link that shows otherwise then please provide it, but commentators are about as useful as me quoting Ted Kravitz because he makes a claim about F1 based on his "astute knowledge".
Also I'm well aware of the Moto GP rules and why they put aero tricks on the bikes as opposed to years prior. And while the teams do share ECUs there are certain things they can do themselves with them so long as they get them homologated.
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It kinda sounded like that when you said that you doubtet the figure as you never heard it before and yet you without a doubt bought the 270hp statement from Ktm. If Ktm can then olddogs like Honda and certainly Ducati can.
You will not get an official figure and I too was under impression the bikes was 240-260, but like I said Dylan, the one that is reporting on the technical side of things. He stated that Ducati reported a 280figure for their motogp 16 machine during one of the last 3 motogp events. Sure it is not official as it did not travet to the viewers through an official Ducati channel but it is not impossible as the standard "Open" class Honda bike was around 240+ bhp and it had "conventional" cylinder head so, so it is not far-fetched at all.
About the electronics, it is a stated fact. The new Motogp electronic package simply is not as advanced as the factories own stuff that they developed themselves. It was only introduced for levelling out the field, in due time the unified electronic package will get more advance of course but this year it was even less advanced than Wsbk bikes used. This will change for 2017.
It is good that ya are aware of regulations and such, always fun to talk with a person that shares an interest but 280hp ducati is probably a fact and less advance electronics in motogp compared to wsbk is a fact What do you choose a f1 snooze feast or a motogp dogfight through and through
You will not get an official figure and I too was under impression the bikes was 240-260, but like I said Dylan, the one that is reporting on the technical side of things. He stated that Ducati reported a 280figure for their motogp 16 machine during one of the last 3 motogp events. Sure it is not official as it did not travet to the viewers through an official Ducati channel but it is not impossible as the standard "Open" class Honda bike was around 240+ bhp and it had "conventional" cylinder head so, so it is not far-fetched at all.
About the electronics, it is a stated fact. The new Motogp electronic package simply is not as advanced as the factories own stuff that they developed themselves. It was only introduced for levelling out the field, in due time the unified electronic package will get more advance of course but this year it was even less advanced than Wsbk bikes used. This will change for 2017.
It is good that ya are aware of regulations and such, always fun to talk with a person that shares an interest but 280hp ducati is probably a fact and less advance electronics in motogp compared to wsbk is a fact
What do you choose a f1 snooze feast or a motogp dogfight through and through
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I apologize I was confused about what KTM was doing they in fact have 240hp and the 270hp figure is for a limited edition road bike version of the motogp, they restrict to 240 because that's what the class does. 240-250, for reliability reasons due to engine restriction and what the ecu can handle.
http://auto.ndtv.com/news/ktm-rc16-...val-for-track-only-production-version-1635956
These are the same official figures others claim as well, I could go to each team website if you'd like and link the official stats.
Sure you can. Jounos get official figures all the time, how much power something makes isn't all that much to hide, considering it doesn't mean anything really unless the application of it is useful.
Who is arguing it isn't? It is somewhat advanced due to the agreement all teams came upon when setting up a spec system. I know the ECU isn't nearly as advanced as what Honda had prior, which is why it had threatened to leave the series.
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