2017 12 Hours of Sebring: Qualifying Results & How to Watch The Action

[Mike458]

What made the black donuting skid marks at turn 1?

 

[fortbo]

What made the black donuting skid marks at turn 1?

They're from the celebrations after the CTSC race.

 

[catamount39]

They're from the celebrations after the CTSC race.

Whose results were spoiled thanks to Andrew Marriott...when buttering up a manufacturer's talking head.

Spoiler

Mustang

 

[Mike458]

Fire in one of the PC cars.

 

[IforceV8]

 

[CodeRedR51]

Been at work all morning, so just now getting a chance to check in. Cadillac 1-2-3 and only 4 DPI cars within a few laps of each other. Doesn't really sound like a race I want to watch anyway...

 

[Mike458]

Been at work all morning, so just now getting a chance to check in. Cadillac 1-2-3 and only 4 DPI cars within a few laps of each other. Doesn't really sound like a race I want to watch anyway...

It's pretty crazy up front...

 

[IforceV8]

Delta 4 launch stream http://www.floridatoday.com/story/t...-air-force-station-florida-wgs9-ula/99355522/

 

[RACECAR]

I still think this M6 project was a failure not only in North America as in Europe things don't look good at all either.
BMW thought "if Bentley can do it, we can do it too" but the results after one and a half season show that maybe a new development of the super successful Z4 would be the way to go.

Except BMW didn't have a new Z4 and they were basically at the end of the road with the Z4 in terms of homologation. Also, I find it funny how you're telling one person that Porsche shouldn't give on the new car when its only been two races in yet here you are saying similar things about BMW's M6 (Completely disregarding the car winning the Spa 24 Hours) after one full season.

Also, did you not watch the 2017 Bathurst 12 Hours This year? They were pretty damn fast, it was just bad luck that caught them out.

Throw the twin turbo V8 in the Z5 and there's a winner. Because this panzer is absolutely ****. I love how the GTLM team is blaming tires. The car sucks, period, there are no redeeming qualities about it. It's slower than hell.

Do you watch anything outside of IMSA? If you did, you'd again see the car has been plenty competitive elsewhere (and also realize that the GTE is actually not the exactly the same as the GT3).

 

[catamount39]

Except BMW didn't have a new Z4 and the were basically at the end of the road with the Z4 in terms of homologation. ALso, I find it funny how you're telling one person that Porsche shouldn't give on the new car when its only been two races in yet here you are saying similar things about BMW's M6 (Completely disregarding the car winning the Spa 24 Hours).

Also, did you not watch the 2017 Bathurst 12 Hours This year? They were pretty damn fast, it was just bad luck that caught them out.



Do you watch anything outside of IMSA? If you did, you'd again see the car has been plenty competitive elsewhere (and also realize that the GTE is actually not the exactly the same as the GT3).

The GTE is very much a GT3 car, but that's not the reason it's slow as hell. GTE has zero tanks, and aerodynamically it's not much of an improvement over the Z4. The GTE car is the one I'm referring too as I mentioned them blaming tires. Turner is a shadow of it's former self. There's a reason their building a non-M6 GTE for 2018: Because they need a car that takes full advantage of the GTE aero regs.

And stop turning my specific hatred of bad turbos into an entire turbo hatred for 🤬 sake. The BMW's engine is the least of it's problems. It's a fat pig. It doesn't work in a class full of low slung coupes, and its a mountain of a car.

 

[fortbo]

The GTE is very much a GT3 car, but that's not the reason it's slow as hell. GTE has zero tanks, and aerodynamically it's not much of an improvement over the Z4. The GTE car is the one I'm referring too as I mentioned them blaming tires. Turner is a shadow of it's former self. There's a reason their building a non-M6 GTE for 2018: Because they need a car that takes full advantage of the GTE aero regs.

And stop turning my specific hatred of bad turbos into an entire turbo hatred for 🤬 sake. The BMW's engine is the least of it's problems. It's a fat pig.

Big cars can still be fast...

 

[AnthonyD1993]

27 Lambo stranded, FCY.

 

[catamount39]

Big cars can still be fast...

GT3 BoP helps that. The Bentley and Nissan's are less blunt. GT3 has a wider variety of sizes and shapes than GTE does. Hence the Lexus in GTD showing its teeth.

I should've specified tall, the M6 is much taller than the Ford, Ferrari or Porsche.

 

[IforceV8]

Ms. Piggy is the lightest GTLM car in the field by 20kg-1220 kg

 

[catamount39]

Ms. Piggy is the lightest GTLM car in the field by 20kg-1220 kg

But Ms. Piggy doesn't have nearly the aero to deal with the other GTE's.

 

[Nielsen]

Probably the first time I've watched an endurance race where the night sky steals the show.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

Pretty cool of the camera crew to show the rocket launch since they were under caution.

 

[Mike458]

Sebring night. It's beautiful.

 

[Leadfoot530]

Props to FOX showing the launch over at Cape Canaveral. Two of my favorite things: racecars, and spaceflight! 👍

 

[RACECAR]

And stop turning my specific hatred of bad turbos into an entire turbo hatred for 🤬 sake. The BMW's engine is the least of it's problems. It's a fat pig. It doesn't work in a class full of low slung coupes, and its a mountain of a car.

2001 ALMS GT Champions

2011 ALMS GT Champions

Might as well bring in the Turbo hatred because it makes about as much sense as your literal reason for hating a car is because it isn't a low slung sports car (Nevermind that BMW is kinda known for doing that as the above pictures prove). Besides, you know I love messing with you about that because I know you'll give me a reaction

 

[Mike458]

Anybody noticing how early the drivers are apexing?

 

[Kamata GTR]

The GTE is very much a GT3 car, but that's not the reason it's slow as hell. GTE has zero tanks, and aerodynamically it's not much of an improvement over the Z4. The GTE car is the one I'm referring too as I mentioned them blaming tires. Turner is a shadow of it's former self. There's a reason their building a non-M6 GTE for 2018: Because they need a car that takes full advantage of the GTE aero regs.

And stop turning my specific hatred of bad turbos into an entire turbo hatred for 🤬 sake. The BMW's engine is the least of it's problems. It's a fat pig. It doesn't work in a class full of low slung coupes, and its a mountain of a car.

But BMW won in some races with those, no?

 

[Panoz]

But BMW won in some races with those, no?

Won the Spa 24 hours last year with Rowe Racing and Turner won in class twice last year, so the GT3 version been a success.

The GTE have been off big time so far this year.

 

[aarror]

There's a reason their building a non-M6 GTE for 2018: Because they need a car that takes full advantage of the GTE aero regs.

Err, no. The reason they're bringing in a new car for 2018 is because the M6 was never intended to be a GTE car in the first place. BMW had been one of the more prominent supporters of the GT convergence plan, which would have combined GTE and GT3 regs into a single class. When those collapsed BMW had to rush to replace the Z4, and adapting the M6 GT3 was the quickest and easiest solution. Since then the plan has always been to use the M6 as a stopgap between the Z4 and the new 2018 car.

 

[IforceV8]

But Ms. Piggy doesn't have nearly the aero to deal with the other GTE's.

They are turning the same lap times as the rest of the GTLM field at the 10hr mark.

 

[Mike458]

SO BEAUTIFUL.

 

[jake2013guy]

Is that M6 GTLM coming to the WEC in 2018 or sometime? Think I remember hearing something along those lines.

 

[Northstar]

Is that M6 GTLM coming to the WEC in 2018 or sometime? Think I remember hearing something along those lines.

BMW is making a new car for GTE/GTLM next year, they haven't said what it will be based on yet.

 

[DesertPenguin09]

New supra maybe?

 

[Mike458]

Ok people... Last game of the race:

WHICH PRIUS IS WORST PRIUS



Hey, wait a minute... That's not a-



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