2017/18 Premier League & General Football Discussion

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PREMIER LEAGUE

Current Champions: Chelsea

2017/18 Champions: Manchester City

Competing In Europe
Champions League: Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur, Manchester City, Liverpool, Manchester United
Europa League: Arsenal, Everton

New Teams
Came Up: Newcastle United, Brighton & Hove Albion, Huddersfield Town

Spoiler: All Teams

Arsenal
Bouremouth
Brighton & Hove Albion
Burnley
Chelsea
Crystal Palace
Everton
Huddersfield Town
Leicester City
Liverpool
Manchester City
Manchester United
Newcastle United
Southampton
Stoke City
Swansea City
Tottenham Hotspur
Watford
West Bromwich Albion
West Ham United

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CHAMPIONSHIP

Current Champions: Newcastle United

2017/18 Champions: Wolverhampton Wanderers

New Teams
Came Down: Hull City, Middlesbrough, Sunderland
Came Up: Sheffield United, Bolton Wanderers, Millwall

Spoiler: All Teams

Aston Villa
Barnsley
Birmingham City
Bolton Wanderers
Brentford
Bristol City
Burton Albion
Cardiff City
Derby County
Fulham
Hull City
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Preston North End
Queen's Park Rangers
Reading
Sheffield Wednesday
Sheffield United
Sunderland
Wolverhampton Wanderers

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LEAGUE ONE

Current Champions: Sheffield United

2017/18 Champions: Wigan Athletic

New Teams
Came Down: Blackburn Rovers, Wigan Athletic, Rotherham United
Came Up: Portsmouth, Plymouth Argyle, Doncaster Rovers, Blackpool

Spoiler: All Teams

Blackburn Rovers
Blackpool
Bradford City
Bristol Rovers
Bury
Charlton Athletic
Doncaster Rovers
Fleetwood Town
Gillingham
Milton Keynes Dons
Northampton Town
Oldham Athletic
Oxford United
Peterborough United
Portsmouth
Plymouth Argyle
Rochdale
Rotherham United
Scunthorpe United
Shrewsbury Town
Southend United
Walsall
Wigan Athletic
Wimbledon

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LEAGUE TWO

Current Champions: Portsmouth

2017/18 Champions: Accrington Stanley

New Teams
Came Down: Port Vale, Swindon Town, Coventry City, Chesterfield
Came Up: Lincoln City, Forest Green Rovers

Spoiler: All Teams

Accrington Stanley
Barnet
Cambridge United
Carlisle United
Cheltenham Town
Chesterfield
Colchester United
Coventry City
Crawley Town
Crewe Alexandra
Exeter City
Forest Green Rovers
Grimsby Town
Lincoln City
Luton Town
Mansfield Town
Morcambe
Newport County
Notts County
Port Vale
Swindon Town
Stevenage
Wycombe Wanderers
Yeovil Town

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ENGLISH SUPER CUP

Current Holders: Manchester United

2017/18 Winners: Arsenal

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FA CUP

Current Holders: Arsenal

2017/18 Winners: Chelsea

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FOOTBALL LEAGUE CUP

Current Holders: Manchester United

2017/18 Winners: Manchester City


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FOOTBALL LEAGUE TROPHY

Current Holders: Coventry City

2017/18 Winners: Lincoln City​

MANAGER WATCH

A log of all managerial departures from the top 92 because sackings are all too quick to happen these days.

Spoiler: All Managers Of The Top 92 On The Opening Day

Arsenal - Arsene Wenger
Bouremouth - Eddie Howe
Brighton & Hove Albion - Chris Hughton
Burnley - Sean Dyche
Chelsea - Antonio Conte
Crystal Palace - Frank de Boer
Everton - Ronald Koeman
Huddersfield Town - David Wagner
Leicester City - Craig Shakespeare
Liverpool - Jürgen Klopp
Manchester City - Josep Guardiola
Manchester United - Jose Mourinho
Newcastle United - Rafael Benitez
Southampton - ]Mauricio Pellegrino
Stoke City - Mark Hughes
Swansea City - Paul Clement
Tottenham Hotspur - Mauricio Pochettino
Watford - Marco Silva
West Bromwich Albion - Tony Pulis
West Ham United - Slaven Billic

Aston Villa - Steve Bruce
Barnsley - Paul Heckingbottom
Birmingham City - Harry Redknapp
Bolton Wanderers - Phil Parkinson
Brentford - Dean Smith
Bristol City - Lee Johnson
Burton Albion - Nigel Clough
Cardiff City - Neil Warnock
Derby County - Gary Rowett
Fulham - Slaviša Jokanović
Hull City - Leonid Slutsky
Ipswich Town - Mick McCarthy
Leeds United - Thomas Christiansen
Middlesbrough - Garry Monk
Millwall - Neil Harris
Norwich City - Daniel Farke
Nottingham Forest - Mark Warbuton
Preston North End - Alex Neill
Queen's Park Rangers - Ian Holloway
Reading - Jaap Stam
Sheffield Wednesday - Carlos Carvahal
Sheffield United - Chris Wilder
Sunderland - Simon Grayson
Wolverhampton Wanderers - Nuno Santo

Blackburn Rovers - Tony Mowbray
Blackpool - Gary Bowyer
Bradford City - Stuart McCall
Bristol Rovers - Darrell Clarke
Bury - Lee Clark
Charlton Athletic - Karl Robinson
Doncaster Rovers - Darren Ferguson
Fleetwood Town - Uwe Rösler
Gillingham - Ady Pennock
Milton Keynes Dons - Robbie Neilson
Northampton Town - Justin Edinburgh
Oldham Athletic - John Sheridan
Oxford United - Josep Clotet
Peterborough United - Grant McCann
Portsmouth - Kenny Jackett
Plymouth Argyle - Derek Adams
Rochdale - Keith Hill
Rotherham United - Paul Warne
Scunthorpe United - Graham Alexander
Shrewsbury Town - Paul Hurst
Southend United - Phil Brown
Walsall - Jon Whitney
Wigan Athletic - Paul Cook
Wimbledon - Neil Ardley

Accrington Stanley - John Coleman
Barnet - Rossi Eames
Cambridge United - Shaun Derry
Carlisle United - Keith Curle
Cheltenham Town - Gary Johnson
Chesterfield - Gary Caldwell
Colchester United - John McGreal
Coventry City - Mark Robins
Crawley Town - Harry Kewell
Crewe Alexandra - Dave Artell
Exeter City - Paul Tisdale
Forest Green Rovers - Mark Cooper
Grimsby Town - Russell Slade
Lincoln City - Danny Cowley
Luton Town - Nathan Jones
Mansfield Town - Steve Evans
Morcambe - Jim Bentley
Newport County - Mike Flynn
Notts County - Kevin Nolan
Port Vale - Michael Brown
Swindon Town - David Flitcroft
Stevenage - Darren Sarll
Wycombe Wanderers - Gareth Ainsworth
Yeovil Town - Darren Way

31st August - Justin Edinburgh (Northampton Town, sacked) League One

11th September - Frank de Boer (Crystal Palace, sacked) Premier League
16th September - Harry Redknapp (Birmingham City, sacked) Championship
16th September - Michael Brown (Port Vale, sacked) League Two
16th September - Gary Caldwell (Chesterfield, sacked) League Two
25th September - Ady Pennock (Gillingham, resigned) League One
25th September - John Sheridan (Oldham Athletic, sacked) League One

17th October - Craig Shakespeare (Leicester City, sacked) Premier League
23rd October - Ronald Koeman (Everton, sacked) Premier League
30th October - Lee Clark (Bury, sacked) League One
31st October - Simon Grayson (Sunderland, sacked) Championship

6th November - Slaven Billic (West Ham United, sacked) Premier League
13th November - Rossi Eames (Barnet, demoted) League Two
20th November - Tony Pulis (West Bromwich Albion, sacked) Premier League

3rd December - Leonid Slutsky (Hull City, resigned) Championship
20th December - Paul Clement (Swansea City, sacked) Premier League
23rd December - Garry Monk (Middlesbrough, sacked) Championship
24th December - Carlos Carvahal (Sheffield Wednesday, sacked) Championship
31st December - Mark Warburton (Nottingham Forest, sacked) Championship

6th January - Mark Hughes (Stoke City, sacked) Premier League
16th January - Chris Lucketti (Bury, sacked) League One
16th January - Mark McGhee (Barnet, demoted) League Two
17th January - Phil Brown (Southend United, sacked) League One
20th January - Robbie Neilson (Milton Keynes Dons, sacked) League One
21st January - Josep Clotet (Oxford United, sacked) League One
22nd January - Marco Silva (Watford, sacked) Premier League

4th February - Thomas Christiansen (Leeds United, sacked) Championship
5th February - Stuart McCall (Bradford City, sacked) League One
6th February - Paul Heckingbottom (Barnsley, leaves for Leeds United) Championship
9th February - Shaun Derry (Cambridge United, sacked) League Two
11th February - Russell Slade (Grimsby Town, sacked) League Two
17th February - Uwe Rösler (Fleetwood Town, sacked) League One
25th February - Grant McCann (Peterborough United, sacked) League One
27th February - Steve Evans (Mansfield Town, leaves for Peterborough United) League Two

1st March - David Flitcroft (Swindon Town, leaves for Mansfield Town) League Two
3rd March - Steve Cotterill (Birmingham City, sacked) Championship
12th March - Jon Whitney (Walsall, sacked) League One
12th March - Mauricio Pellegrino (Southampton, sacked) Premier League
18th March - Darren Sarll (Stevenage, sacked) League Two
19th March - Graham Westley (Barnet, sacked) League Two
21st March - Jaap Stam (Reading, sacked) Championship
22nd March - Karl Robinson (Charlton Athletic, leaves for Oxford United) League One
24th March - Graham Alexander (Scunthorpe United, sacked) League One

2nd April - Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink (Northampton Town, sacked) League One
10th April - Mick McCarthy (Ipswich Town, sacked) Championship
22nd April - Dan Micciche (Milton Keynes Dons, sacked) League One
23rd April - Jack Lester (Chesterfield, sacked) League Two
29th April - Chris Coleman (Sunderland, sacked) Championship

8th May - Keith Curle (Carlisle United, contract expiration) League Two
6th May - Jose Morais (Barnsley, sacked) Championship
8th May - Simon Grayson (Bradford City, contract expiration) League One
10th May - Martin Allen (Barnet, sacked) League Two
10th May - Ian Holloway (Queen's Park Rangers, resigned) Championship
16th May - Sam Allerdyce (Everton, sacked) Premier League
16th May - David Moyes (West Ham United, contract expiration) Premier League
18th May - Carlos Carvahal (Swansea City, contract expiration) Premier League
18th May - Paul Lambert (Stoke City, sacked) Premier League
22nd May - Gary Rowett (Derby County, leaves for Stoke City) Championship

Sacked: 44
Resigned: 3
Demoted: 2
Approaches: 5
Contract Expirations: 4

Total: 58

 

[Phoenix]

Looking forward to see what Huddersfield Town and Brighton & Hove Albion can do in the Premier League this upcoming season.

Also, it should be quite interesting to follow the transfers in and out in the summer.

 

[jake2013guy]

Looking forward to see what Huddersfield Town and Brighton & Hove Albion can do in the Premier League this upcoming season.

Also, it should be quite interesting to follow the transfers in and out in the summer.

Same here. Brighton very nearly beat a team of Newcastle's quality so have a great base. With Hughton in charge, I can see them staying up. Huddersfield will definitely be an interesting story with their first Premier League season.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Wenger agrees new deal at Arsenal and announcement to be made tomorrow.

I also posted this in the old thread, didn't know this thread had been set up...

 

[Vegard]

BVB has fired Thomas Tuchel!

 

[adamp93]

--Suspended Until New Season---

You're already building up a backlog, Wolves have sacked Paul Lambert.

 

[Famine]

You're already building up a backlog, Wolves have sacked Paul Lambert.

And Paul Cook has left Portsmouth, promoted to League One, to manage Wigan, relegated to League One...

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Real Madrid have reportedly made a £60 million bid for David De Gea which was swiftly rejected by Man United, my opinion? For that sort of money I would've accepted it!

Interesting to see how De Gea reacts to this...

 

[Famine]

For that sort of money I would've accepted it!

De Gea was one of the two main reasons United won two cups last year. I'm not sure the club could put a price on him right now - and who could they possibly replace him with?

 

[m8h3r]

Real Madrid have reportedly made a £60 million bid for David De Gea which was swiftly rejected by Man United, my opinion? For that sort of money I would've accepted it!

Interesting to see how De Gea reacts to this...

With Manchester City paying 45 for the young unproven keeper and Real Madrid paying 40 for a 16 year old I find 60 quite insulting.

 

[jake2013guy]

For some weird reason, I am seeing reports linking Tuchel to Southampton. No joke.

Although, St Etienne have released a statement saying their preferred choice is already at a current club.

 

[jontikis]

and who could they possibly replace him with?

There have been some rumours about Kasper Schmeichel, but I don't believe Leicester City will let him go so easily.

 

[Famine]

There have been some rumours about Kasper Schmeichel, but I don't believe Leicester City would let him go so easily.

He's not that good, really. He's certainly a solid keeper and I wouldn't mind him in my goal, but I'd not rate him in the top five in Europe (or even the Premier League, I think), whereas I would put De Gea there.

 

[jontikis]

He's not that good, really. He's certainly a solid keeper and I wouldn't mind him in my goal, but I'd not rate him in the top five in Europe (or even the Premier League, I think), whereas I would put De Gea there.

That's a point, I think Sergio Romero could be their sub choice if De Gea leaves. Unless they plan to spend tons of pounds just for a new keeper.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Seems United have cooled their interest in Antione Griezmann, this comes after Atletico lost their appeal at the Court of Arbitration over their transfer ban, meaning they cant register any players until 2018, meaning they cant replace Griezmann if he goes.

Darren Fletcher joins Stoke on a two-year deal.

Yaya Toure has just signed a new one-year deal at Man City.

 

[Brend]

Crazy.

 

[Vegard]

De Gea was one of the two main reasons United won two cups last year.

He only played 3 EL games so I think you're stretching it a bit.

Crazy.

I think filthy is a more apt description.

 

[Famine]

Crazy.

I think filthy is a more apt description.

And bollocks.

Aside from being actually wrong (Bayern, for example, got the same money as Sunderland, allowing for exchange rate foibles), it's also inaccurately worded, as the bulk of Sunderland's money came from being in the Premier League, regardless of its finishing position.

Sunderland got £1.9m for finishing last in the Premier League.
Bayern Munich got €39m (£34m) for winning the Bundesliga - close to the £38.8m Chelsea got for winning the Premier League.

Sunderland got another £91.5m in television money. £35m for a 1/20th share of domestic TV money, £39m for a 1/20th share of foreign television money, £4.8m for a 1/20th share of the commercial rights and the minimum fee of £12.4m for televised games. They got that for being in the Premier League, not for finishing last in it - every club got that (Hull, Burnley, Swansea and Stoke got the same) and some a great deal more because they were on television more.

Bayern Munich got €39m (£34m) for their last five years' performances in Bundesliga, another €39m (£34m) for winning it this year and €30m (£26m) from its 1/18th share of the TV money. That's £94m in total, which is more or less the same as Sunderland, but £78m of that came from the club's performance and only £26m for being in that league.


Still, next year's TV money for the Bundesliga will increase 85% thanks to a new deal.

 

[Brend]

And bollocks.

Aside from being actually wrong (Bayern, for example, got the same money as Sunderland, allowing for exchange rate foibles), it's also inaccurately worded, as the bulk of Sunderland's money came from being in the Premier League, regardless of its finishing position.

Sunderland got £1.9m for finishing last in the Premier League.
Bayern Munich got €39m (£34m) for winning the Bundesliga - close to the £38.8m Chelsea got for winning the Premier League.

Sunderland got another £91.5m in television money. £35m for a 1/20th share of domestic TV money, £39m for a 1/20th share of foreign television money, £4.8m for a 1/20th share of the commercial rights and the minimum fee of £12.4m for televised games. They got that for being in the Premier League, not for finishing last in it - every club got that (Hull, Burnley, Swansea and Stoke got the same) and some a great deal more because they were on television more.

Bayern Munich got €39m (£34m) for their last five years' performances in Bundesliga, another €39m (£34m) for winning it this year and €30m (£26m) from its 1/18th share of the TV money. That's £94m in total, which is more or less the same as Sunderland, but £78m of that came from the club's performance and only £26m for being in that league.


Still, next year's TV money for the Bundesliga will increase 85% thanks to a new deal.

Doesn't it state all the above in the spreadsheet, though? Exchange rate point is fair game. 👍

 

[Famine]

Doesn't it state all the above in the spreadsheet, though?

It states some of it, which is why it's curious he's gone for the inaccurate angle when he's then posted why it's inaccurate. If he's just saying that Sunderland's £94m all-in is more than Bayern's £34m for winning, well duh. It's also more than the £39m Chelsea got for winning, but apples to apples and all that.

It's inaccurate to say Sunderland got £94m for finishing last, when it got £1.9m for finishing last. £94m is all of its performance and prize money added together, so it's then wrong to say that Sunderland's £94m payments for the season is more than Bayern Munich got, when they got the same for all of its performance and prize money added together.

I haven't looked at Italy or France, but since Italy's prize pot gives €22m to each club, €27m to the winning team (and top 3), an average of €14m per club for historic results and another average of €14m by the club's base support and population, I'd be very surprised if Juventus was below £94m.


Edit: I looked into Italy. Juventus got €16m for 1/20th equal share domestic, €6 for 1/20th equal share overseas, €22.5 for historic results, €50m for club popularity and €27m for a top three place, adding up to €122m, or £106m. So... nope on the Juventus claim as well.

 

[Vegard]

Bayern Munich got... £94m in total, which is more or less the same as Sunderland

Which is a bit crazy, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Famine]

Which is a bit crazy, wouldn't you agree?

Not really. The bulk of the money came from television rights and, very specifically, overseas television rights.

The Premier League has very successfully marketed itself as the best/most exciting league in the world (which it isn't, but that's for another day) and people in countries across the world want to watch it, so the rights to the games are sold for huge money to broadcasters who will then charge a decent sum for syndication.

The Bundesliga has not.

I know exactly where to watch a Premier League game if I choose to. I honestly couldn't tell you where I could watch a Bundesliga game. Or a Serie A game. Or even a La Liga game (I think... think that Sky has some, but it might be BT Sport). The new TV deal for the Bundesliga might change that.


To be honest, I hope something knocks the Premier League off its wealthy pedestal, because the national team is dying on its arse while clubs are routinely spending £40m without thinking about it on five-year old French strikers who had a reasonable season playing against 12 teams I've never heard of in the Surinam Third Division instead of bringing English players through - and our lower league game is being slowly throttled to death.

 

[adamp93]

If Sunderland got a total of £94m when finishing last why is the Championship play off final described as the '£200m game'?

 

[Vegard]

If Sunderland got a total of £94m when finishing last why is the Championship play off final described as the '£200m game'?

Because playing in the Premiership boosts other income streams as well as the direct prize and performance money from the PL and the TV deals.

 

[Famine]

If Sunderland got a total of £94m when finishing last why is the Championship play off final described as the '£200m game'?

The Premier League pays relegated teams for three years after they are relegated (two years if they only survive one season), called Parachute Payments.

For the season just passed, Newcastle, Norwich and Villa - relegated last year - got £41m. QPR - relegated after one season in 2014-15 - got £30m for their second and final payment. Reading, Cardiff, Fulham and Wigan got £16m.

A team promoted to the Premier League and tben relegated can thus expect a minimum of £94m + £41m + £30m from the Premier League alone, with an additional £1m for each additional place or each televised game.

 

[Dennisch]

The first pillar out of the Ajax structure seems to be leaving already.

Manager Peter Bosz is on his way to Borussia Dortmund, deal should be done within 48 hours.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

I wonder if he'll take any of the Ajax players with him...

 

[m8h3r]

The first pillar out of the Ajax structure seems to be leaving already.

Manager Peter Bosz is on his way to Borussia Dortmund, deal should be done within 48 hours.

I wonder if he'll take any of the Ajax players with him...

I'd be surprised to find he doesn't take at least 1 or 2.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Michael Carrick testimonial taking place at Old Trafford, here's the teams

Man United 2008 XI

Van Der Sar, Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic , Evra, Fletcher, Carrick (c), Scholes, Giggs, Rooney.

Subs, G.Neville, Silvestre, Berbatov, G.Carrick, Saha, Hargreaves.

Manager: Sir Alex Ferguson.

Michael Carrick All-Stars XI

Given, Salgado, Carragher, Terry (c), Abidal, Seedorf, Senna, Mendieta, Duff, Owen, Keane.

Subs, Bruce, Capdevila, P.Neville, Garcia, Sinclair, Gudjohnsen

Manager: Harry Redknapp.

 

[m8h3r]

Van Der Sar, Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic , Evra, Fletcher, Carrick (c), Scholes, Giggs, Rooney.

Subs, G.Neville, Silvestre, Berbatov, G.Carrick, Saha, Hargreaves.

That's probably still a half decent side, for 60 minutes anyway.