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What, that one of them had a seat and the other two didn't?
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Yeah I talked about that already in a back and forth with @TenEightyOne on page 54, Scarbs made the claim first if I remember correctly.
I mean unless they can broker a deal with another manufacture behind Ferrari's back, then they'll probably stay in as long as needed. I can't see any group from the U.S. going into F1. Haas has done a good job taking on available Ferrari junior drivers even if it didn't work out for them. I'm sure if Giovinazzi wasn't so easily overlooked until earlier in this year, he might have got the chance to drive for Haas. And with Grosjean supposedly being in a position to take over for Kimi, it shows what type of position Haas is in, relating to Ferrari.
It's just hard to see the technical elements to it, which has always been an issue with Ferrari in all series they race in. They're willing to give drivers and some setup but never anything super technical. Which is why Sauber one year had to come up with their own cooling solution for an engine they didn't even develop, and then Ferrari adopted said solution...
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The whole Vijay Mallya mess has hit the front page of the Wall Street Journal over here. The article is behind a paywall, but it shows that the troubles at Force India have been going on for a long time.
Article repost by Fox Business:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/06/23/king-good-times-gives-diageo-hangover-wsj-2.amp.html
Article repost by Fox Business:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/06/23/king-good-times-gives-diageo-hangover-wsj-2.amp.html
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It's a good thing they're in the upper standings this season again with a high chance of taking 3rd in the constructor. Because from the looks of it, they could easily be Sauber territory financially if they didn't have a great development team, and Mallya somewhat separating himself from the team finance wise.
So someone has decided to go through and see how many grid penalties McLaren-Honda has racked up since their partnership was rekindled and the number is quite staggering. Wanna take a guess?
560 places.
Compare that to Force India's 5 grid places, and it's simply astounding
Compare that to Force India's 5 grid places, and it's simply astounding
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You want even more context on the situation, here is a chart of parts used by each driver so far this season. Look who is easily at the top.
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Force India have taken the first steps to rebranding themselves as Force One:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130429/force-india-makes-first-move-towards-new-name
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130429/force-india-makes-first-move-towards-new-name
Not too keen on that name, personally. Force GP or Force Racing would have been better alternatives. Force One just doesn't flow to me and sounds rather daft.
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Can't Force One to like that horrific name.
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I had to
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Force One sounds more like an office temp agency than an international racing team.
(insert joke about Indian call centers here)
(insert joke about Indian call centers here)
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Well, my preference is for factory location names (e.g. Enstone Racing or Banbury Grand Prix) in the event of a name change. Make something more permanent instead of a revolving door as actually happened to Jordan - Midland - Spyker - Force India operating out of the same location with largely the same staff.
Might not quite work with Force India becoming Silverstone Racing. Force India was always a stupid name though.
I wouldn't have minded Kingfisher Racing.
Might not quite work with Force India becoming Silverstone Racing. Force India was always a stupid name though.
I wouldn't have minded Kingfisher Racing.
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That's a good point, and actually quite a good idea, and Kingfisher racing does roll of the tongue nicely, mind BWT is their main sponsor, so that wouldn't work really would it I guess?
Either way, I don't think Force One is that bad of a name. The more I say it, the more it grows me; Force One GP.
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Fernando and Stoffel will receive a new grenade, I mean engine at the Austrian GP.
Honda has confirmed that its 'Spec 3' engine will be used by McLaren duo Fernando Alonso and Stoffel Vandoorne at this weekend's Austrian Grand Prix.
The Japanese manufacturer tested the updated power unit with Alonso during Friday practice at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix last month, and was encouraged by the straightline speed performance boost it delivered.
But with the version having not been fully mapped, and a spate of grid penalties meaning Alonso was set to start from the back of the grid anyway, a decision was taken to revert him to the older Spec 2 for qualifying and the race.
Even without the extra power boost, Alonso was able to take McLaren's first points of the year with a ninth-place finish.
Following successful work at Honda's facilities in Japan, however, the car manufacturer has given the green light to the new engines being used by both McLaren drivers for the Red Bull Ring weekend.
Honda's F1 chief Yusuke Hasegawa said in a team preview on Monday: "At the previous round in Azerbaijan, we were able to bank our first points of the year and I think it brought some brightness into our team.
Honda has confirmed that its 'Spec 3' engine will be used by McLaren duo Fernando Alonso and Stoffel Vandoorne at this weekend's Austrian Grand Prix.
The Japanese manufacturer tested the updated power unit with Alonso during Friday practice at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix last month, and was encouraged by the straightline speed performance boost it delivered.
But with the version having not been fully mapped, and a spate of grid penalties meaning Alonso was set to start from the back of the grid anyway, a decision was taken to revert him to the older Spec 2 for qualifying and the race.
Even without the extra power boost, Alonso was able to take McLaren's first points of the year with a ninth-place finish.
Following successful work at Honda's facilities in Japan, however, the car manufacturer has given the green light to the new engines being used by both McLaren drivers for the Red Bull Ring weekend.
Honda's F1 chief Yusuke Hasegawa said in a team preview on Monday: "At the previous round in Azerbaijan, we were able to bank our first points of the year and I think it brought some brightness into our team.
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So they can meet a time line but Renault can't, to the point they claimed that the soonest a new engine spec would be brought about is 2018. Perhaps this engine will come to fruition then in some form or another. Since Honda claimed it would be either Speilberg or Silverstone that the update would be seen.
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"At the previous round in Azerbaijan, we were able to bank our first points of the year"
Nope, Alonso gave you your first points of the year. Granted all it took was the most divine prayer any mortal could make and avoiding contact of any kind with all parties (Cars, Walls, Exes, The IRS, etc), but it was hardly a "we" thing.
Rather interesting considering Renault hasn't been the one with Grenades, though it can be argued Honda likely has more incentive to do so.
Nope, Alonso gave you your first points of the year. Granted all it took was the most divine prayer any mortal could make and avoiding contact of any kind with all parties (Cars, Walls, Exes, The IRS, etc), but it was hardly a "we" thing.
Rather interesting considering Renault hasn't been the one with Grenades, though it can be argued Honda likely has more incentive to do so.
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