2017 F1 Constructor technical info/developmentFormula 1 

prisonermonkeys
Ross Brawn suggests that new manufacturers could be given concessions in the rules:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130536/f1-hints-at-rules-breaks-for-new-manufacturers

For example, extra power units in their first season.
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If you take the current performance of Renault & more so Honda, in the case of Renault, I don't think 2 or 3 extra engines would make a noticeable difference.
Honda? They're in such a dire situation, a fresh engine per race wouldn't save their embarrassment.
 
Pete05
If you take the current performance of Renault & more so Honda, in the case of Renault, I don't think 2 or 3 extra engines would make a noticeable difference.
Honda? They're in such a dire situation, a fresh engine per race wouldn't save their embarrassment.
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I wonder if such a rule might in fact have a negative effect on Honda's will to be in F1. If George Potts & Sons can turn up and apparently perform better than Honda (e.g. by making a non-grenading cast-iron engine) the perception of many fans would be that the Potts Engine is better than the Honda due to artificial regulation.
 
RACECAR
Rather interesting considering Renault hasn't been the one with Grenades, though it can be argued Honda likely has more incentive to do so.
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Interesting how? All the issues with Verstappen were down to Renault, Ricciardo brake failure seems to have been due to the recovery system. TR has had engine failures too, and so has the factory team. Renault has had to also bring a revised engine map to help with reliability while trying to replicate the speed they saw in Baku. They're so worried for Austria and their engines they have a new procedure to try and advert potential failures.

So...sounds like a ticking time bomb to me.
 
Cosworth and Aston Martin will take part in the next round of 2021 talks:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130554/aston-and-cosworth-join-f1-engine-meeting

Interestingly, Marelli Magneti and Zytek have also been involved.

My guess is that from 2021, power units will be divided into two parts: the combustion engine and hybrid unit, with teams able to buy a complete package from a manufacturer, or mix and match components from suppliers (ie Ferrari engine, Marelli Magneti hybrid system).
 
prisonermonkeys
Cosworth and Aston Martin will take part in the next round of 2021 talks:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130554/aston-and-cosworth-join-f1-engine-meeting

Interestingly, Marelli Magneti and Zytek have also been involved.

My guess is that from 2021, power units will be divided into two parts: the combustion engine and hybrid unit, with teams able to buy a complete package from a manufacturer, or mix and match components from suppliers (ie Ferrari engine, Marelli Magneti hybrid system).
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Giving the option to source parts from different suppliers and get a potentially better deal than with the current customer engine programs would also benefit the rumored plan to bring in another two teams in the near future. Especially if they intend to try and bring in new manufacturers that simply won't accept being the B-squad for someone else.
 
Engine only manufacturers are must for the non-carmaker based teams so Cosworth, Marelli Magneti and Zytek being interested is good. The teams not affiliated with a manufacturer can actually have a chance potentially with independent engine suppliers. Let's face it, anybody who buys an engine from Ferrari, Mercedes or Renault (Red Bull excluded) isn't in as good a position as they would have been with an engine by a company who does not have a factory team in the series. Potentially anyway, depending on how well those engine suppliers turn out.
 
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prisonermonkeys
Cosworth and Aston Martin will take part in the next round of 2021 talks:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/130554/aston-and-cosworth-join-f1-engine-meeting

Interestingly, Marelli Magneti and Zytek have also been involved.

My guess is that from 2021, power units will be divided into two parts: the combustion engine and hybrid unit, with teams able to buy a complete package from a manufacturer, or mix and match components from suppliers (ie Ferrari engine, Marelli Magneti hybrid system).
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Considering Zytek is well known for being a hybrid unit builder, and main groups have used them or gained knowledge through them and built their own, this is significant. So to me this and Magneti with their ECU knowledge as well as builders like Cosworth, make it seem quite obvious that a base power unit (or units) will be made available to teams on a lower budget. Potentially that is, so long as the big manufactures and the smaller or less invested agree with each other.

EngieDiesel
Giving the option to source parts from different suppliers and get a potentially better deal than with the current customer engine programs would also benefit the rumored plan to bring in another two teams in the near future. Especially if they intend to try and bring in new manufacturers that simply won't accept being the B-squad for someone else.
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What do you mean, people can source parts to an extent currently. For example if you want Merc engines but don't want to pay for their gearboxes and at a time hybrid units then you could get them from Williams who have their own version. This collection of manufactures going to talks seems to be more so due to Bernie no longer being apart of the FOM. While the current regs are nice, due to being open engine development, the main problem is paying as much as teams need to in F1 to win, and not getting a return from the series at the end of the season through CVC payouts. So perhaps more groups may join when the new regs are finally decided upon, because they're favorable but also payouts aren't going exclusively to long standing teams. That's if the CVC payout changes that are suppose to happen go through.
 
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Looks pretty slick IMO. A lot better than the halo.
 
Dylan
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Looks pretty slick IMO. A lot better than the halo.
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Now THAT is a nice solution to the problem. Looks elegant, and can deal with the largest issue at the moment, which is small debris (springs, shocks, bolts, trash, etc.). And it should offer some assistance with oncoming tires as well. Not sure how they'll deal with stuff from the above but its a good first step.
 
catamount39
Now THAT is a nice solution to the problem. Looks elegant, and can deal with the largest issue at the moment, which is small debris (springs, shocks, bolts, trash, etc.). And it should offer some assistance with oncoming tires as well. Not sure how they'll deal with stuff from the above but its a good first step.
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It's the same design they showed a few months ago. Now they're just showing another render of it but hastily made on the Williams render from the winter.

As for stuff that comes from above, F1 hasn't ever had that issue, but then again neither did Indy when it happened, and it was so freak when it did take Justin Wilson sadly, that I don't think people are all to worried about it happening again.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
It's the same design they showed a few months ago. Now they're just showing another render of it but hastily made on the Williams render from the winter.

As for stuff that comes from above, F1 hasn't ever had that issue, but then again neither did Indy when it happened, and it was so freak when it did take Justin Wilson sadly, that I don't think people are all to worried about it happening again.
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He hit that travelling forwards hence the damage to the front of his helmet. He was doing over 150mph so the relative contact wasn't vertical
 
TenEightyOne
He hit that travelling forwards hence the damage to the front of his helmet. He was doing over 150mph so the relative contact wasn't vertical
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Yes but the trajectory wasn't something seen before it arced down and hit him in an area that wasn't expected, which is why many people question any thing that doesn't have over head protection.

EDIT: And I didn't even see PM's response before posting so...oops
 
prisonermonkeys
But the trajectory of the debris was vertical. That's what made it a freak accident.
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LMSCorvetteGT2
Yes but the trajectory wasn't something seen before it arced down and hit him in an area that wasn't expected, which is why many people question any thing that doesn't have over head protection.
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The trajectory of the debris was (near) vertical but that doesn't mean that the impact was - Wilson was driving forward at quite some speed. Overhead protection would not have been a preventative measure in that accident as the impact would have hit the screen (if one was fitted). I'm pretty sure we've been over this before.

Mark Miles
I don’t want to get into all the details of Justin’s accident, but in fact while the appearance was that [the nose piece] just kind of fell straight down, it actually did get him as a frontal matter....So there is a kind of optical illusion in the way it looked. But you can imagine if something is coming straight down, it didn’t literally hit him on the top of the helmet. You’re kind of driving into it. I think (a screen) might have had a helpful effect
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TenEightyOne
The trajectory of the debris was (near) vertical but that doesn't mean that the impact was - Wilson was driving forward at quite some speed. Overhead protection would not have been a preventative measure in that accident as the impact would have hit the screen (if one was fitted). I'm pretty sure we've been over this before.
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That's great but the point is people still think that having over head protection is necessary. Now I don't say one way or the other on this, but I do think that debris flying into or onto a driver from above is quite rare and freak in occurrence. Due to that I think that the shield is a great start since what has been an issue for years is oncoming debris or tires, that injure or kill drivers, that's my point. I'm not looking to split hairs or have a great discussion on the sad passing of a well known race driver. Nor is the FIA.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
That's great but the point is people still think that having over head protection is necessary. Now I don't say one way or the other on this, but I do think that debris flying into or onto a driver from above is quite rare and freak in occurrence. Due to that I think that the shield is a great start since what has been an issue for years is oncoming debris or tires, that injure or kill drivers, that's my point. I'm not looking to split hairs or have a great discussion on the sad passing of a well known race driver. Nor is the FIA.
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Quite. I'm not sure that there's ever been a serious injury or fatality from debris dropping onto a driver's head that wouldn't have been prevented by a screen rather than by overhead bars or full canopy.
 
It was probably more of a shock that Sauber had decided they would use Honda engines, than the news that the deal is now being broken or was never completed in the first place... But with McLaren apparently permanently days away from announcing a new customer deal with Mercedes Benz, it doesn't look like Honda will be represented in 2018.
 
With Frederic Vasseur as their new boss, you can pretty much be sure that Sauber will be powered by Renault.
 
At any rate, the new owners of Sauber probably want nothing to do with a horrendous engine like the Honda, so if McLaren do indeed leave for Mercedes, Sauber would be the last hope for Honda (though Renault look more likely for Sauber).
 
The only thing I could see keeping Sauber from backing out of the Honda deal is if they were getting the same arrangement that McLaren has now: primary sponsorship and free engines. The deal is apparently saving McLaren close to $90 million a year, so in theory that'd free up a pile of money for development in other areas.

Granted it wouldn't mean much if Honda can't figure out how to duct tape their engines together well enough to get through a full race...
 
EngieDiesel
The only thing I could see keeping Sauber from backing out of the Honda deal is if they were getting the same arrangement that McLaren has now: primary sponsorship and free engines. The deal is apparently saving McLaren close to $90 million a year, so in theory that'd free up a pile of money for development in other areas.

Granted it wouldn't mean much if Honda can't figure out how to duct tape their engines together well enough to get through a full race...
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Sauber's budget is barely 90 million a year, actually probably less.
 
boiltheocean
It's not credible. It's based on this article from Autobild published the day before which cities a source connected to McLaren but not from within McLaren. For all we know it could be a Johnnie Walker grid girl.
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Strangely I do find it credible (ie believable). It seems that many other large motoring publications do too - they're carrying a more cautious version of the story. We'll have to wait and see ;)
 

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