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2017 Formula 1 Pirelli Belgian Grand PrixFormula 1
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I didn't hear that but it's funny to imagine
"Is it raining?"
"......No?"
"Ok well I lost power then."
Starting to look like a reality now...
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2017/08/27/no-evidence-alonso-problem-engine-data-say-honda/
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- mustafur
Last two seasons they have been slower then RBR at Singapore(kinda for last season), obviously Mercedes have a good chassis(they are miles ahead of any other car using the same engine) but I would rate Ferraris higher, Mercedes catch that with the better engine which matters, with Redbull it's hard to tell, but their package has been consistently solid at Singapore since I can remember.
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Slower in what regard? Also how does that translate to this year, where RBR are significantly overall less downforce efficient, even said by their own engineering corp? I highly doubt RBR are going to find the 1.5 to 2 seconds needed to catch Mercedes first off and then an additional .2-.3 to actually beat them in quali.
Also you've neglected driver. I rate Ferrari higher for Singapore, because of Vettel, Kimi wont beat the Mercs at Singapore, unless some upgrade is to be expected that favors him. I think there are aspects in both the Ferrari and Merc beyond power units that make the cars better at certain parts of any track. However, I don't see one higher over the other and the Ferrari unit is said to not be too far off the Mercedes unit, though it does seem to have slightly less power without the oil burn.
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Because this is Spa your talking about not Singapore, there is no point arguing about this as I clearly worded this as a hypothetical, yet you seem to be basing what your saying as truth?
What about Monaco, both Ferraris and a Redbull finished ahead of both Mercedes at a high downforce track, you can't possibly know.
All I'm saying is that its likely the danger race for Hamilton's Title charge given where the car is, what tracks it has been weak at this year and the strengths of the others.
We can't predict retirements which of course are the biggest things that can effect it but how the car behaves at certain tracks kinda can sometimes.
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No I'm talking about Singapore as you brought it up, so that's what my last post was set around. Doing what I've done for a long time with you and basically you say some hypothetical based on whatever it is you base it on. And typically I disagree with it because it's based on crap to begin with, when I do see something with some forethought to it, I give it a like or verbal agreement.
For your new reasoning or more concise version, Merc and Hamilton feel there is no track from here on that should pose a threat to them being at a major disadvantage with Ferrari. This is probably because of all the parts they have and the fact that there is no track for the remainder of the season that is vastly different to what has been raced on. You bring up Monaco, yet neglect the fact that Hamilton started that race in 14th after a quali error that saw him unable to set up a lap to match his rivals. Had nothing to do with the speed of the car. Bottas finished on par with the Ferrari in quali so the argument that they were faster is a bit strange.
I do agree we can't predict retirements, but no one was trying to do that, we were speaking in a "all things equal and perfect" world scenario.
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I think you have forgottent in your article that, once again, Perez proved his incompetence too...
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Estaban Ocon on twitter. Probably a more or less same response from Perez upcoming. Keep the **** internally could be one of the team orders/recommendations.
Edit: And Max will get a grid penalty in Italy for an unforseen motor replacement. This year Max (and his closest colleagues, family and friends) are really mentally tested.
And for the next race Max already took some precautions himself. His car will not stop!!!!
Edit: And Max will get a grid penalty in Italy for an unforseen motor replacement. This year Max (and his closest colleagues, family and friends) are really mentally tested.
And for the next race Max already took some precautions himself. His car will not stop!!!!
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Honda said nothing went wrong with Alonso's engine. He says is there rain on the way? Team radios there's no rain. Alonso's reply? NO POWER! 
A big discussion on motorsport and autosport forums about if he parked it. If he did, that was a bad decision seeing as how he might have had a chance at the points thanks to the safety car. He did pretty good at the start, maybe could have repeated that?
A big discussion on motorsport and autosport forums about if he parked it. If he did, that was a bad decision seeing as how he might have had a chance at the points thanks to the safety car. He did pretty good at the start, maybe could have repeated that?
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It's not about who has the better chassis. It's about who's optimized for what.
Mercedes is running the longest wheelbase in the series, by far, which makes their cars great at high speed tracks like this, but a bit handicapped at twistier cricuits like Monaco or maybe Singapore.
Not really about having a bad chassis. It's just Mercedes have optimized theirs to be good over the average of the season... which means they've skewed the design towards running well at high speed tracks rather than the odd tight and twisty ones that come along every few races.
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Honda said nothing went wrong with Alonso's engine. He says is there rain on the way? Team radios there's no rain. Alonso's reply? NO POWER!
Yeah I said that above dude. Even gave the link to the article.
It's not about who has the better chassis. It's about who's optimized for what.
Mercedes is running the longest wheelbase in the series, by far, which makes their cars great at high speed tracks like this, but a bit handicapped at twistier cricuits like Monaco or maybe Singapore.
Not really about having a bad chassis. It's just Mercedes have optimized theirs to be good over the average of the season... which means they've skewed the design towards running well at high speed tracks rather than the odd tight and twisty ones that come along every few races.
Wow this is a really insightful post, is it alright if quote it again on the tech thread?
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Ah I remember this, we where talking about it a few months ago, this will prove to be intresting in the next races then I guess, I wonder if Mercedes are compromised by tracks with hairpins even if the rest of the track suits their wheelbase(like Suzuka for eg).It's not about who has the better chassis. It's about who's optimized for what.
Mercedes is running the longest wheelbase in the series, by far, which makes their cars great at high speed tracks like this, but a bit handicapped at twistier cricuits like Monaco or maybe Singapore.
Not really about having a bad chassis. It's just Mercedes have optimized theirs to be good over the average of the season... which means they've skewed the design towards running well at high speed tracks rather than the odd tight and twisty ones that come along every few races.
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In the back of my mind, I always wondered if PEDs were ever such a significant and helpful resource in the world of motorsports, especially F1. Especially with the cars being more physical than ever, supposedly.
Still, I kind of some how doubted PEDs might be necessary, even in a top-tier series.
It just seems to me there are so many other factors that are more important than what advantages PEDs might offer in racing. I mean athletes through out the majority of sports benefit from them, so I wouldn't be truly shocked/surprised to hear of drivers taking them, but rather that they make a very noticeable difference. In my opinion, PEDs don't truly make or break athlete's performances. They still have to put in hard work no matter what. I don't really look down on anyone that takes them,
Perhaps though this is just a random test. But I will admit, it's the first time I've ever heard of any sort of testing, in any form of racing. I've obviously heard of plenty of examples of "illegal" cars, with parts that either blur the lines too much, or flat out take some sort of totally unfair advantage. But never anything related to enhanced driver performance!
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Sure.
As mustafur said, we've discussed this a bit before, but I think I picked it up from Alex Yoong during one broadcast (probably a pre-race or post-race thing) where they talked about the average of the season being more skewed towards the high speed Tilke-type tracks that favor the Merc wheelbase... or should favor it.
Neat in that it also hints at why certain midfielders are doing well this year.
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I agree, article feels unfair. My feeling is Perez is to blame too.
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According to Will, it was a random test and has been standard procedure for years.
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I've constantly heard Mercedes using a longer wheel base, just never saw an visual graphic that actually have a differentiation between them an the rest of the field. I do have to say though that will all thing equal Merc have a better fundamental car based on tracks in the F1 calendar. They make up for the tracks they shouldn't do as well in with overall aero design and PU.
Yet again it still makes all the more sense why Hamilton's claims earlier in the season to driving a boat are realistic.
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There are quite a few drugs that are banned but not for reasons you may have thought of. The beta blockers that I take to regulate my heart rate are a banned substance for motorsports (and archery, shooting, billiards etc) as they keep your heart rate down and make you less susceptible to "pressure" and/or help keep your hands still.
Before I was on them, I'd be racing at a GT LAN and someone would be catching me and my heart rate would increase and I'd tense up a bit. Same if I was on a hotlap and about to beat my ghost. Now I'm on the beta blockers, I don't notice it as much.
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This is more of a general Formula 1 history question, but what is the lineage behind all the current teams? I know when Lotus was back they said it wasn't really a continuation of the original Lotus but a team before them and the employees were basically the same. Then it became the Renault factory team? So still same people? What about all the others? I hear them talk about Mercedes being Brawn but I know nothing more than that. What was before Brawn? and so on?
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Brawn iirc was BAR Honda
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What about Toro Rosso? Red Bull made it from nothing after buying Jaguar?
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Toro Rosso was Minardi.
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I could read about the history of this stuff for hours
