2017 Formula 1 Rolex Australian Grand PrixFormula 1

[Pezzarinho17]

DRS was being discussed as a way of banning the F-Duct, given how many systems required drivers to take their hands off the wheel to use it. I'm sure the Petrov - Alonso case was the final decider on the DRS requirement.

 

[Dotini]

F1 doesn't need passing and close racing, and it never has. Although occasionally it has occurred accidentally or spontaneously and is soon engineered or ruled out. If passing and close racing were really needed we would have it.

In the unlikely event it is ever really needed or desired, the quickest way to get it would be mandatory steel brakes and lengthened braking distances.

 

[Animera]

Maybe I'm just from the old school, but I prefer seeing good strategy getting the upper hand in a race.
Bring back more strategy:

- Let the driver/team decide what tyre to start on.
- Let the driver/team decide how much fuel to start on.
- Bring back refuelling.

If the driver in front is good enough that you can't get past him, you have to wait patiently for a mistake, or try something strategic.
I preferred F1 when it was like a game of chess, rather than this 'We want overtakes' stuff.

This is F1, it's supposed to be difficult to overtake.

 

[Mulan]

What id like to be removed is penalty for changing parts because of crash. If they brake as a reability issue then ok, but when you try making fastest qualifying lap and crash then no penalty.
Same thing when racing if you dont get penalty for crashing in some one else. Racingaccidents that may require changing parts should not be penalized.
Think many are a bit scared to actually race and take the extra risk...even if we see action i think there is more to get.
And regarding DRS...let it be but please remove the blueflags all over the place. Strategy and drivers should handle that. And finally, no communication to driver, only through the boards at pitstraight or at pitstop. Driver should call all the shots all the time. A car should not require anything else but the driver to handle.

Not so long ago drivers actually had manual clutch to change gears, and it was tough...read that after a race many had blisters and handling alot of hurt

 

[TenEightyOne]

... please remove the blueflags all over the place... no communication to driver, only through the boards at pitstraight or at pitstop. Driver should call all the shots all the time.

Last time I sat in an F1 car (2008-spec) I was astonished how little you can see in the mirrors, even without a helmet. How do you propose drivers tell the difference between a Ferrari that's behind them for position and a Ferrari that's coming through in the lead? Pit boards?

 

[mustafur]

I still don't get why people hate DRS. You want overtaking, but don't like it when overtakes happen? Get over it.

Because battling for position is not just about overtaking its about defence as well, something that gives the person behind an advantage for being behind is the definition of unfair even if it helps the battle.

 

[Rubrbrnr]

Where's the courtesy "SPOILER ALERT"? Guessing I'm duplicating posts that others have already said in the previous 23 pages, but not all of us watched this live on Sunday (Saturday night). A non-spoily photo and a headline like "First F1 race of 2017" is all it takes.....

 

[mustafur]

If you see the thread title and decide to proceed knowing the race is finished and you haven't seen it's your own fault at that point.

 

[DG_Silva]

...but please remove the blueflags all over the place...

If you ever want to see how blue flags should be implemented, try watching Indycar. They do have blue flags but only to warn that the drivers are there, not as an imperative measure to make the back markers move over. If the back markers cause a crash while being lapped there are heavy penalties, but there is no requirement to move over if you are battling.

 

[EDK]

Where's the courtesy "SPOILER ALERT"? Guessing I'm duplicating posts that others have already said in the previous 23 pages, but not all of us watched this live on Sunday (Saturday night). A non-spoily photo and a headline like "First F1 race of 2017" is all it takes.....

If you see the thread title and decide to proceed knowing the race is finished and you haven't seen it's your own fault at that point.

He's referring to the main page article that was published yesterday. It was further exacerbated by the automated thread getting posted in this forum, which meant the headline was initially visible in the forum (but later merged with this thread).

There's been some conversation in the background, and I think you can expect a different approach to the main page headlines for F1 races going forward.

If you ever want to see how blue flags should be implemented, try watching Indycar. They do have blue flags but only to warn that the drivers are there, not as an imperative measure to make the back markers move over. If the back markers cause a crash while being lapped there are heavy penalties, but there is no requirement to move over if you are battling.

Yes, in most forms of motorsport around the world, that's what blue flag means. It's an advisory flag, not requiring any specific action. I've done quite a bit of racing, and that's how it's always presented to us in the drivers' meetings.

Pay attention, but just drive your line. If you are the faster car that caused the blue flag to be waved, it remains your responsibility to get by cleanly and safely. Nothing more frustrating than someone who sees the flag, panics, and parks it in the middle of the track as if it was a red flag.

 

[miata13B]

Nothing more frustrating than someone who sees the flag, panics, and parks it in the middle of the track as if it was a red flag.

a double on that, I have witnessed too many incidents with a panicked slow driver seeing a blue flag. It is still the faster driver's responsibility to make a clean pass. The worst is that most of those incidents I have witnessed were in Karting, they never ended well.

 

[Spurgy 777]

a double on that, I have witnessed too many incidents with a panicked slow driver seeing a blue flag. It is still the faster driver's responsibility to make a clean pass. The worst is that most of those incidents I have witnessed were in Karting, they never ended well.

These are F1 drivers though, they aren't going to panic at the sight of a blue flag.

 

[EDK]

These are F1 drivers though, they aren't going to panic at the sight of a blue flag.

Right, my comment spurred his comment. And my comment was referencing what I quoted, which was that there are heavy penalties to back-markers if they cause a crash.

Simply perspective that blue flags do not need to be an order to move aside.

 

[Tajima]

Can somebody explain the point of an official qualifing home page thread not being followed by an official home page race report thread. It's not a big deal but I don't get it. If you want the home page to cover a bit of everything I was kind of expecting it. But yeah, not a big deal.

 

[EDK]

Can somebody explain the point of an official qualifing home page thread not being followed by an official home page race report thread. It's not a big deal but I don't get it. If you want the home page to cover a bit of everything I was kind of expecting it. But yeah, not a big deal.

We merged the threads because people were not expecting to find results spoilers in the forums.

The team is working out the bugs, expect more consistency in the coming 19 races.

 

[Famine]

Can somebody explain the point of an official qualifing home page thread not being followed by an official home page race report thread.

It's the same thread for both articles. This thread was created on the Tuesday before the race and both the qualifying results news article and the race results news article link into this thread.

 

[Tajima]

In hindsight this battle is a lot more hilarious than it is incredible. Two drivers making the mistake of staying out on dries in the rain desperately trying not to spin or crash. At the time I was biting my nails hping Kimi would win, and ultimately devastated, but this was probably the only real 'battle' all year. Shouldn't be indication that 2008 was some kind of year filled with overtaking. If anything it was probably the last year you could reasonably predict who would win a race, as whether Ferrari or McLaren would win was a coin flip

All the races were intense and we had mixed grand prix winners for all the season, mainly Ferrari McLaren yes but race pace was super fast. I personally enjoyed 2007 2008 a lot. Not to mention the final race drama in booth seasons. That alone is so much better than a couple of DRS overtakes for seventh place or something, i.e. the "show" of latest f1 years.

 

[United6694]

So what do people actually want from F1?

The lead swapping every lap?
100 overtakes a race in the midfield?

I don't get it.

For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with DRS, it helps, personally they should all get to use it whenever apart from the leader. That could be interesting I think.

 

[Tajima]

So what do people actually want from F1?

The lead swapping every lap?
100 overtakes a race in the midfield?

I don't get it.

For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with DRS, it helps, personally they should all get to use it whenever apart from the leader. That could be interesting I think.

The problem is with fuel restrictions that lead to conservative one stop strategies and a race pace 5 seconds slower of pole position. We need 2 or 3 pit stop strategies and a race pace 1 second slower of pole time.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So what do people actually want from F1?

The lead swapping every lap?
100 overtakes a race in the midfield?

I don't get it.

For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with DRS, it helps, personally they should all get to use it whenever apart from the leader. That could be interesting I think.

Honestly, I'd say people don't know what they want. And even when they do know what they want in some part they don't realize the consequences.

I tend to see F1 as quite dynamic in nature, either evolving or revolutionizing old rules in a modern form. With that you find things you like and don't like based on past F1 rules. However, since F1 is dynamic, people expecting a certain type of car or racing is unrealistic.

 

[sems4arsenal]

So what do people actually want from F1?

The lead swapping every lap?
100 overtakes a race in the midfield?

I don't get it.

For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with DRS, it helps, personally they should all get to use it whenever apart from the leader. That could be interesting I think.

I want F1 to be innovative but without compromising the racing.

 

[EDK]

I want F1 to be innovative but without compromising the racing.

So, no aero?

Single plane aero with even more mechanical grip? All the MP4/4's?

 

[sems4arsenal]

So, no aero?

Single plane aero with even more mechanical grip? All the MP4/4's?

I feel we've actually hit a decent compromise last season, the issue was the performance deficit. That's why I don't really appreciate the changes being done this year, the cars are gorgeous but the races won't hold my attention.

 

[Rubrbrnr]

If you see the thread title and decide to proceed knowing the race is finished and you haven't seen it's your own fault at that point.

On the homepage for GTPlanet the headline reads: 2017 Formula 1 Australian Grand Prix: Sebastian Vettel Shakes Things up with a Victory for Ferrari

Just a little tricky to cover ones eyes or avoid a thread when its posted right there in the news headline on the homepage.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I feel we've actually hit a decent compromise last season, the issue was the performance deficit. That's why I don't really appreciate the changes being done this year, the cars are gorgeous but the races won't hold my attention.

You can't have innovation and expect their to be close racing or a team that isn't far beyond the others.

 

[miata13B]

These are F1 drivers though, they aren't going to panic at the sight of a blue flag.

Yes indeed these are F1 drivers, the pinnacle drivers of the sport. I also do recall watching this race during the latter part of it on the main straight a blue flag was waved at a back marker. I wish I could recall who it was, but the back marker was holding line realizing he was slower,the faster driver pulled to the inside to pass then the back marker pulled inside making the faster driver react to pull to the outside line on the front straight to avoid a possible collision to pass.

Now they are human correct? They react as well oiled racing machine humans too correct? @EDK has a significant point here and we have to realize that humans make mistakes no matter how high of a tier their abilities and reactions are. To go back to my point, It is the Passing Driver's responsibility to make a clean and safe pass.

Maybe panic was a bad adjective to use. I did not mean to affix it to F1 drivers, I only meant to reference amateur Kart drivers that I have met and raced against.

 

[05XR8]

This is the formula for now. Do we see full NA again? Full electric? More cylinders, less cylinder, rotary? Closed cockpit? More aero, less aero?

It's one race. First race will always reveal bugs in the regs and cars.

 

[JvM]

We need to wait for Max' opinion on the overtaking.

If he can't do it, this season is screwed.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Simply perspective that blue flags do not need to be an order to move aside.

But then F1 drivers wouldn't bother to move aside - especially if they're gradually closing on another opponent for position. That's why the rule mandates that they do... although in actuality they often slow close to the racing line and make the faster car do the departing.

For what it's worth, I don't see a problem with DRS, it helps, personally they should all get to use it whenever apart from the leader. That could be interesting I think.

It would simply negate the effect of DRS, surely? We'd certainly see more accidents with some drivers (not necessarily Jolyon Palmer) being tempted to use it for a little too long into the braking zones. That's not so much of a problem in free practices but with cars running close it could be a nightmare.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

A bit concerning for Mercedes that the Ferrari in dirty air could keep up with Mercedes and still do a longer stint. Hoping it was just setup direction and not that the Ferrari has that much more grip. So far to me, Mercedes look like they will be better on tracks with longer straights.