2018 Azerbaijan Grand PrixFormula 1 

Can Haas not build a car that stays in one piece?

Also the Torro Rossos. Man that was lucky. Could so easily been a Webber Valencia moment.
 
Vandoorne not even through from Q1...


... but still ahead of the cars powered by his old engine.
 
Poor Kimi? Poor Ferrari fans, once again he flop the finish... enough is enough, thanks for 2007 but now is the time!

Someone at Maranello please sign Riccardo or Bottas ASAP.

He could have won in Bahrain 2 races ago. Sometimes he makes mistakes, sometimes others ruin his races, other times Ferrari gives him the short hand of the stick in favor of Vettel. He's a safe driver for Ferrari.

I'd like to see Ricciardo in a Ferrari too.
 
I'm working insane hours at the moment so I don't have time to do a full breakdown, but he was constantly crashing into drivers, race after race. While Max has made mistakes he has never caused the kind of carnage that Roman did.

Join the party, I'm putting in crazy hours too. Romain didn't cause major levels of carnage he had accidents up to Spa, but he had gained more praise due to the good runs he had put in early on that season. Including a podium.



It didn't just affect the show, it also very nearly cost Alonso part of his hand.


Yes that's called racing, it's dangerous and stuff happens, you're basically trying to prove a point based on the looks of a crash. So Grosjean was worse because of a crash he caused in his rookie season due to a misjudgment that again even drivers with many years on them have done. Liuzzi did a similar thing in Monza and from further back. Race bans shouldn't be given just because the show, that's the point. More so when used to defend one driving by trying to make another look bad. One driver is in their 4th season doing questionable mistakes for their level of talent, the other driver did his race ban mistake in his first full f1 season. Quite different these situations are.

Max had made mistakes, everyone who is operating at his level does and it's hard to really understand the kind of mental and physical pressure that F1 drivers contend with. At the moment Max is causing himself more issues than anyone else. That wasn't the case with Roman and the race ban was there to calm him down and to keep people safe. I don't think Max is actually seriously endangering anyone else with his driving.

So then why are you using the example of a rookie, under far more pressure especially paired with a WDC team mate. As for Max no, he has caused and risked causing drivers issues. There is a reason he has the amount of points on his license right now. I don't think he's trying to endanger others but he is far more aggressive, I don't think Romain as your example of a dangerous driver was a dangerous driver. Bit tired of repeating myself for a third time on why your loaded example is such. And it's not really about the Baku GP anymore so let's move on. Thanks.

By signing Bottas they'd replace an old driver who is still showing flashes of brilliance by a young driver who never has.

He has shown some, but that's not the point of Ferrari is it? I agree with you that Bottas isn't a great replacement, but is a pair of safe hands, and good support when a number two driver is needed.
 
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He could have won in Bahrain 2 races ago. Sometimes he makes mistakes, sometimes others ruin his races, other times Ferrari gives him the short hand of the stick in favor of Vettel. He's a safe driver for Ferrari.

I'd like to see Ricciardo in a Ferrari too.
At the end of the day it's all about consistency. Those points you brings to the team Sunday afternoon.. or you don't because X Y Z reasons.
There's always something with Kimi.

This could have been easily a front row lockout but no, grumpy ego kicked in, he wanted to prove he is faster than Seb and failed miserably = lots of points lost for the team = what if scenario at the end of the season = Mercedes Constructor WC again despite being slower on quali (at the moment).
 
Poor Kimi? Poor Ferrari fans, once again he flop the finish... enough is enough, thanks for 2007 but now is the time!

Someone at Maranello please sign Riccardo or Bottas ASAP.

Is your plan to make knee jerk comments for the Motorsport subforum?
At the end of the day it's all about consistency. Those points you brings to the team Sunday afternoon.. or you don't because X Y Z reasons.
There's always something with Kimi.

This could have been easily a front row lockout but no, grumpy ego kicked in, he wanted to prove he is faster than Seb and failed miserably = lots of points lost for the team = what if scenario at the end of the season = Mercedes Constructor WC again despite being slower on quali (at the moment).

Most times with Kimi it's his team, not him. He had a pretty good season last year especially the second half and showed that "consistency" you seem to hint at him not having. Probably would have been even more consistent had he not DNS'd Malaysia where he was second on the grid. Now this season and we see again, a strong Kimi who is quite consistent but again getting the shaft from Ferrari in favor of the team mate who has 3 more WDC and a larger contract obligation. Also Vettel made a mistake too that was costly, he had the benefit of already having a timed lap in, where Kimi really didn't.

As for wanting to prove faster cause he's grumpy (what even?), the only ego and perfectionist I saw out there was Vettel. You seem like a guy poised to see Mercedes lose and yet blame Kimi for why that isn't happening...?
 
Is your plan to make knee jerk comments for the Motorsport subforum?


Most times with Kimi it's his team, not him. He had a pretty good season last year especially the second half and showed that "consistency" you seem to hint at him not having. Probably would have been even more consistent had he not DNS'd Malaysia where he was second on the grid. Now this season and we see again, a strong Kimi who is quite consistent but again getting the shaft from Ferrari in favor of the team mate who has 3 more WDC and a larger contract obligation. Also Vettel made a mistake too that was costly, he had the benefit of already having a timed lap in, where Kimi really didn't.

As for wanting to prove faster cause he's grumpy (what even?), the only ego and perfectionist I saw out there was Vettel. You seem like a guy poised to see Mercedes lose and yet blame Kimi for why that isn't happening...?
A consistent driver would be on second place on tomorrow's grid. We have to measure the performance of the car and this Ferrari proved to be the fastest qualifier for this circuit.. a P6 could have been accepted in 2016 or some 2017 races but 2018? He didn't need to risk last corner to be on pole either. This is a costly mistake and the team can't be blamed for that.
 
There have been other years to call for Kimi to get the boot from Ferrari. This isn't one of them. For the first he actually seems to be faster than Vettel in this car, at least over one lap. Getting the boot for a mistake on one corner when he was about to be faster than his 4 time champion teammate, again, is not grounds for getting the boot.

I really am warming up to Baku, it is close to the thrill you get watching the cars go around Monaco, inches from the wall lap after lap, and it does seem to need the same degree of focus from the drivers themselves. All that plus actual overtaking opportunities, unlike most other street circuits makes this a track to remember.
 
A consistent driver would be on second place on tomorrow's grid. We have to measure the performance of the car and this Ferrari proved to be the fastest qualifier for this circuit.. a P6 could have been accepted in 2016 or some 2017 races but 2018? He didn't need to risk last corner to be on pole either. This is a costly mistake and the team can't be blamed for that.

Not quite, he had a small moment, everyone has them even those with many years under their belt. As I said prior his team mate had one too and nearly wrecked the car, which would have potentially been far worse a mistake. There was no reason for Vettel to be on another timed lap just cause he thought he could get another tenth. Also why shouldn't he be going for pole? He had two purple sectors that his dash would have informed him of, thus indicating he was on target to best the Mercedes. In your scenario you think he holds some grudge to Seb and was only trying to beat him, which seems quite asinine a claim

P6 doesn't prove that he under performed. You can't claim he was going fast and on form for front row, and then try to pretend he wasn't fast because of P6. This silly manipulation of stats is just that, he was on form for pole, had moment that cost him. Same type of thing that happened with Seb, last GP with Lewis in China and more can be found. Also the team can be blamed for his quali a bit, they ran a different program with him compared to Seb. Which is why Kimi needed pole or at least second on the grid, he will be using ultra softs instead of the longer lasting super softs. Consider the graining issues seen this weekend with the top cars especially on said tires, that is the main reason for him pushing so hard. Also because he should be.
 
Not quite, he had a small moment, everyone has them even those with many years under their belt. As I said prior his team mate had one too and nearly wrecked the car, which would have potentially been far worse a mistake. There was no reason for Vettel to be on another timed lap just cause he thought he could get another tenth. Also why shouldn't he be going for pole? He had two purple sectors that his dash would have informed him of, thus indicating he was on target to best the Mercedes. In your scenario you think he holds some grudge to Seb and was only trying to beat him, which seems quite asinine a claim

P6 doesn't prove that he under performed. You can't claim he was going fast and on form for front row, and then try to pretend he wasn't fast because of P6. This silly manipulation of stats is just that, he was on form for pole, had moment that cost him. Same type of thing that happened with Seb, last GP with Lewis in China and more can be found. Also the team can be blamed for his quali a bit, they ran a different program with him compared to Seb. Which is why Kimi needed pole or at least second on the grid, he will be using ultra softs instead of the longer lasting super softs. Consider the graining issues seen this weekend with the top cars especially on said tires, that is the main reason for him pushing so hard. Also because he should be.
He will be using ultra soft because he flat spot TWICE his super soft tyres in Q2 and he was risking to not be in Q3 for his fault not the team. I'm not impressed you missed this (huge) detail.. less wall of text, and more focus on what happen on track next time.
Point is the amount of times Kimi mess things up in quali since 2014 is too damn high to still truly deserve to be where he is.
With Ricciardo today it was a front row lockout, witho Bottas the same.
 
Yes that's called racing, it's dangerous and stuff happens, you're basically trying to prove a point based on the looks of a crash.

No, but that crash was the tipping point. Roman wiped out 3-4 cars in one corner because he didn't know the width of the track? after his other countless mistakes it was the point at which the FIA where like, ok mate, time to take a break.

Max hasn't gotten close to causing the problems Roman did, not only that, inbetween the incidents people have mentioned, he's won races and gotten good results, something Roman didn't really do.
 
Whether Max has good results outside of bad driving besides the point, really, it's still bad driving that has impacted others. Though I don't think he's quite at Romain's level yet...
 
Based on what the wind did in qualifying, I'm picturing a lot of collisions on the opening lap.
 
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