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Petitioning the FIA to change the rules because you are struggling to get your car set up properly looks extremely bad. Then again, I think it's been done quite a few times in the past.
Probably, but I can't think of any other time where a poorly-built car actively put the health of the driver at risk while they raced. Which is why I think that Mercedes (ideally of their own accord) should just raise the ride height, because there's no way they can finish the season like this.
 
It was my biggest concern as Lewis was already saying his back was a mess after practice, luckily there were a few VSC breathers for him during the race. His setup might be different than George as I don't think George had the same moments as Lewis in the race. It is no joke this bouncing problem as might cause the drivers experiencing it serious long term impacts to their health. It looks so violent on Lewis's onboards, Lewis nearly lost it in a corner that is usually flat out due to car bottoming out in the race so it is very dangerous too. He even mentioned there were many times he was nearly going into the wall.

He is an athlete at the top of his game so for him to be coming out of the car like that, it must have been really bad as it looked on the onboards. I can't imagine having to deal with a near 6G vertical load with such high frequency on a straight at them speeds. The same people who think he is acting about the pain, probably be asking to get extracted from the car if they experienced a tenth of what Lewis experienced.

Hopefully Lewis can drive next race, I think it should be better than this track. That Barcelona update seems to have made things worse for Mercedes ride on bumpy tracks and performance in low speed cornering as they were a long way off the pace again. I think George was aiming to be within three tenths before the weekend but it was a second on top of that in qualifying.
There were comments dating back to Miami I believe, that Lewis is basically spending the season trying to iron out the car where as George might be running setups that help him work with what he's got (or doesn't). I caught a few mentions on Reddit that Lewis was running a new floor design, but I didn't look into that.
 
Ah yes, more of the, "37 year old driver jack hammering for 51 laps must be acting" rhetoric. Because nobody else today or since the season has started has said how the porpoising hurts.
If it wasn't every public figure at Mercedes complaining about safety throughout the whole week at every opportunity then I might agree with you, but it has a very easy solution and that's to raise the ride height and stop complaining. But they don't want to do that because there's nothing in it for them.
 
If it wasn't every public figure at Mercedes complaining about safety throughout the whole week at every opportunity then I might agree with you, but it has a very easy solution and that's to raise the ride height and stop complaining. But they don't want to do that because there's nothing in it for them.
None of that negates the claim about the drivers "acting". Everyone witnessed what he went through, he made a concerning remark about the seat going cold, & even the commentators have talked about how much force he's experiencing bouncing.

The engineers do have a solution that obviously pushes them backwards, but that doesn't mean Lewis is putting on an "act" to convince the FIA to step in.
 
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None of that negates the claim about the drivers "acting". Everyone witnessed what he went through, he made a concerning remark about the seat going cold, & even the commentators have talked about how much force he's experiencing bouncing.

The engineers do have a solution that obviously pushes them backwards, but that doesn't mean Lewis is putting on an "act" to convince the FIA to step in.
I don't think it should be unfathomable to anyone that drivers and teams exaggerate perceived issues for their own benefit. Hamilton in particular did it better than anyone else when bluffing about his tyre wear over the last 10 years.

Mercedes spent the whole off-season telling everyone how Hamilton mightn't race this year until the FIA sacked Masi, then all of a sudden, no issue.

If they were winning then they'd be feeling fine.
 
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I don't think it should be unfathomable to anyone that drivers and teams exaggerate perceived issues for their own benefit. Hamilton in particular did it better than anyone else when bluffing about his tyre wear over the last 10 years.

Mercedes spent the whole off-season telling everyone how Hamilton mightn't race this year until the FIA sacked Masi, then all of a sudden, no issue.

If they were winning then they'd be feeling fine.
This completely continues to be purposefully ignorant of what Hamilton specifically went through today, bringing up irrelevant issues. Guess Daniel is just acting/milking it as well.
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Almost every driver in the paddock agrees that something needs to be done, the 1 that doesn't? Fernando Alonso.
 
It’s a Merc things, isn’t it?
Can’t get your pitstop under 2 seconds? Complain about safety.
Disagree with the racedirector, complain about it and make a fuzz and mess out of it.
Can’t sort out the porpoising, complain about it.

Perhaps Mercedes can take ownership about what they can do with their car…
 
Put it all together and it doesn't look good for anyone hoping for the two teams to be fighting it out the rest of the season, but of course always keep in mind that Murray quote.
"And here comes Mika Hakkinen, double world champion twice over." ~ Murray Walker

I assume you mean that one? Gonna be a crazy season then :lol:
 
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It’s a Merc things, isn’t it?
Can’t get your pitstop under 2 seconds? Complain about safety.
Disagree with the racedirector, complain about it and make a fuzz and mess out of it.
Can’t sort out the porpoising, complain about it.

Perhaps Mercedes can take ownership about what they can do with their car…

Pretty sure every person and their dog disagree with race direction a majority of the time.

The porpoising is affecting more than just Mercedes. Every driver agreed it's a problem except Alonso, that's not just Mercedes making a fuss, that's 19/20 drivers saying it's an issue. And remember, this is an issue that no team saw on the simulations prior to getting the cars on track to test, if you only find out about a fundamental issue after the entire development period of a very specific ruleset, it's more than just "fix it". Especially within the realms of the budget cap.

I'm hoping something does get done, it's not just Hamilton suffering. If they can take preventative measures now while teams sort it out, then perhaps we can avoid serious short term or long term injuries and maybe even avoid a nasty accident.
 
0 points is 0 points.
And Latifi scoring 0 points isn’t the same as Leclerc scoring 0 points. Retiring from a certain victory isn’t the same as retiring from a distant 2nd. Retirements often aren’t equal because of the potential points that are lost, and they definitely become even more significant if it’s preceded by one or more retirements.

In other words, retirements aren’t equal.
 
Verstappen showed Monaco was a hiccup and 90% of the time he will have more pace than Perez by a long shot. Russell jumping to 4th in the championship in a dog of a car showed one day he's going to win a championship. Lewis's back problems show that his body might not let him keep racing in F1.
 
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Verstappen showed Monaco was a hiccup and 90% of the time he will have more pace that Perez by a long shot. Russell jumping to 4th in the championship in a dog of a car showed one day he's going to win a championship. Lewis's back problems show that his body might not let him keep racing in F1.

It wasn't really a hiccup though, Perez had the measure of him for the whole weekend, same with Saudi before Perez got done over with safety cars, on a par at Catalunya with an alternate strategy hurting him, and again all weekend at Baku had the measure of Max until the race where he wasn't even allowed to fight and they just saved his engine.

It's a long long way from 90% and Perez is very much going to be a thorn in Verstappens side. Sergio needs Ferrari to stop breaking down so he can keep one of them between him and Max like in Monaco and early in Baku so Red Bull don't have the strategy options to get Max ahead.
 
Sergio needs Ferrari to stop breaking down so he can keep one of them between him and Max like in Monaco and early in Baku so Red Bull don't have the strategy options to get Max ahead.
No, Perez needs to not drop 21 seconds in about 30 laps and get utterly destroyed by his team mate. And he needs to not shred his tyres trying to keep up with Leclerc and Verstappen.
 
No, Perez needs to not drop 21 seconds in about 30 laps and get utterly destroyed by his team mate. And he needs to not shred his tyres trying to keep up with Leclerc and Verstappen.
There's 21 points between them, calm down. I know it's hard for Max fans to accept but Perez is in this fight whether they like it or not.
 
Only if Ferrari can stay in the running, that is. I don’t believe Checo can win in a straight duel against Max (or Leclerc).

But I’m sure Ferrari will come back stronger.

That's kind of what I mean in my previous post. I think the Red Bull in the hands of either driver can be a match for the Ferrari and Leclerc on a good day, but Perez needs that little bit of outside assistance in the form of rogue cars between him and Verstappen. That's not to say I don't think Perez can beat him in a straight fight, he can, it just comes down to the circuit and such. Like Monaco, Perez had Verstappen at arm's length all weekend irrespective of where anyone else was in between them, Verstappen was only quicker than Perez in Q1 that weekend. So he can be quicker consistently.

It's sure going to be interesting and I'm sure they're gonna be having some headaches down at Red Bull.
 
That's kind of what I mean in my previous post. I think the Red Bull in the hands of either driver can be a match for the Ferrari and Leclerc on a good day, but Perez needs that little bit of outside assistance in the form of rogue cars between him and Verstappen. That's not to say I don't think Perez can beat him in a straight fight, he can, it just comes down to the circuit and such. Like Monaco, Perez had Verstappen at arm's length all weekend irrespective of where anyone else was in between them, Verstappen was only quicker than Perez in Q1 that weekend. So he can be quicker consistently.

It's sure going to be interesting and I'm sure they're gonna be having some headaches down at Red Bull.
I still don't buy it. Max has walked so far away from perez at so many races. Put Russell in that seat and the dual between him and Max would be a season for the ages.
 
There's 21 points between them, calm down. I know it's hard for Max fans to accept but Perez is in this fight whether they like it or not.
Not really, but it is what you read in the news perhaps and what is called clickbait.

Checo is strong om streetcircuits where confidence is key.
Max doesn’t have that in the car since it understeers too much for him.
However, Max is faster in pace and better on tires and where there is more a flow then stop-and-go, like streetcircuits tend to have.

Verstappen will increase the gap in upcoming races, if he will finish, between him and Perez.
 
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Remember when Bottas was supposedly a championship contender in 2019 in 2020 after the first few races? In both years he was leading the championship at one point! (Because he won the first race of each season). You take a few fluke results, add a handful of unlikely what-ifs and hypotheticals, and suddenly anyone gets to fight for a championship.

That's not even the worst example, either. Remember how Mercedes was totally going to get back in the fight for this year's championship once they applied their big update for Spain? Remember how Ferrari was supposedly going for a late charge in 2019? I can remember people in 2018 saying that Red Bull could end up fighting for the championship, just because they won in China and Monaco.

Verstappen is beating Perez 5-1 in race wins this season. Last Sunday he beat Perez by over 20 seconds. Perez has only been faster than Verstappen in Jeddah and Monaco, two of the least representative tracks on the calendar. The gap would've been bigger by 21 points (twice as big as it is now) if Verstappen hadn't retired in Australia. Perez is as much of a championship contender this year as Bottas was during his time at Mercedes.
 
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There were comments dating back to Miami I believe, that Lewis is basically spending the season trying to iron out the car where as George might be running setups that help him work with what he's got (or doesn't). I caught a few mentions on Reddit that Lewis was running a new floor design, but I didn't look into that.
Did some digging and found this article just now:

Hamilton admits to "strange experience" of fearing Baku F1 accident: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...experience-of-fearing-baku-accident/10321593/

Lewis Hamilton:
"I'm happy it's over. That was the most painful race I've experienced, the toughest race I've experienced. But, honestly, George didn't have the same bounces that I had, he had a lot less bouncing. Yesterday, I lost three and a half tenths to him just on the on the straights. I had an experimental part on my car, and a different rear suspension. So ultimately, it's the wrong one."


Anyway it is good to see majority of drivers united on this subject. Carlos asked FIA to ignore teams and listen to drivers about it and Pierre wants solution before they end up having to use canes.

Seems crazy this is meant to be the pinnacle of motorsport yet it is probably worst ride quality of any cars travelling on the streets of Baku. Billions of dollars is spent on development of these cars yet they make suspension systems even more primitive than previous years when they know for ground effect it is even more important to have a stable ride quality. It is a recipe for disaster especially with the move up to 18" wheels. All the increase in weight for safety, then make drivers spines the suspension and experience something more severe than they would experience in a car crash lap after lap.

I remember George saying driving an F1 car is so perfect and F2 was a bit like a Transit van. At the moment for Mercedes, getting close to ride quality of a Transit van is the eureka moment they need to kickstart their season.
 
It did look like they went the wrong way on Hamilton's car. It's best not to screw around with battering your spine. That was repeated impacts all GP long.
 
It did look like they went the wrong way on Hamilton's car. It's best not to screw around with battering your spine. That was repeated impacts all GP long.
In Mercedes mind Lewis is still their "lead" driver so he gets the updates first. It's just their bad luck and engineering that meant it may have cost him time. Verstappen gets parts before Perez. You don't see him complaining.
 
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