2018 IMSA WeatherTech Sportscar ChampionshipSports Cars 

  • Thread starter Organ-Donor
  • 1,545 comments
  • 77,009 views
The cameraman did a great job to pick out that Ferrari puncture, he saw it slowing and tracked along with it and actually caught the moment it failed entirely.
 
Mazda engine blow

I also heard the #10 was retired? Total opposite from the start of last season

Yep, and Wayne decided to retire the #10 car since it got so many punctures and he didn't want to risk his drivers ending up into an highspeed wreck because of that.
 
Wow what a coward. These things have crashed hard before and everyone walks away. Sometimes a broken bone but nothing close to death. Maybe do some investigating as to where on track they're getting punctures and try to avoid those sides of the road? Go off driving line? It's just a random thing that can happen. It's racing. Risk = reward... No reward if you don't risk anything...
 
Wow what a coward. These things have crashed hard before and everyone walks away. Sometimes a broken bone but nothing close to death. Maybe do some investigating as to where on track they're getting punctures and try to avoid those sides of the road? Go off driving line? It's just a random thing that can happen. It's racing. Risk = reward... No reward if you don't risk anything...

Tell me you're not serious...
 
The Wayne Taylor thing is strange, he had no problem with the risks he took with Max Angelelli's health a few years ago. I think there is some politics between certain teams and Continental to come out soon (especially given their tweet blaming teams).
 
I'm sorry, isn't racing about uhm... racing? :)

Edit: Yes, I mean the words I said but I'm not that serious about it.
 
Coward? They had so many punctures within the course of the race that they were getting frustrated, the car had been torn apart multiple times, and at this high-speed track a blown out tire on the high-banks is a very dangerous thing. Wayne is an old racer, he didn't do this lightly. Whether its Continental's fault or WTR's, they couldn't keep doing that.

The exhaust issue from a couple years ago (it was the DP car, so 2016 Rolex 24 I believe?) does make one wonder though if this indeed is a protest against Continental's garbage tires (which punctures aside are bad to begin with).
 
Coward? They had so many punctures within the course of the race that they were getting frustrated, the car had been torn apart multiple times, and at this high-speed track a blown out tire on the high-banks is a very dangerous thing. Wayne is an old racer, he didn't do this lightly. Whether its Continental's fault or WTR's, they couldn't keep doing that.
Fair enough. Coward was the only word I could think of to describe it. He's very experienced and it's 24 hours where anything can happen but decided to back out early.
 
Wow what a coward. These things have crashed hard before and everyone walks away. Sometimes a broken bone but nothing close to death. Maybe do some investigating as to where on track they're getting punctures and try to avoid those sides of the road? Go off driving line? It's just a random thing that can happen. It's racing. Risk = reward... No reward if you don't risk anything...
You’ve got to be kidding me. Seriously? :rolleyes:
 
Fair enough. Coward was the only word I could think of to describe it. He's very experienced and it's 24 hours where anything can happen but decided to back out early.
Back out early? They did this this morning with under 8 hours to go that's not early by any stretch of the imagination. He didn't make that decision lightly. Him pulling the car for concern of his drivers getting in a high speed wreck on the high banks (when they know they have a tire problem) isn't cowardice.

Again, could also be a protest against Continental but I doubt he'd waste the race for just protest.
 
Tell me you're not serious...

You’ve got to be kidding me. Seriously? :rolleyes:
There seems to be a 10 minute echo chamber in here... ;)

Back out early? They did this this morning with under 10 hours to go that's not early by any stretch of the imagination. He didn't make that decision lightly.
Notice I said I'm not that serious about this. I don't follow that closely, hell I didn't even know when they retired. I just assumed it was sometime last night (i.e. before it became Sunday)
 
Fair enough. Coward was the only word I could think of to describe it. He's very experienced and it's 24 hours where anything can happen but decided to back out early.

I'm sure it's not a decision he would have taken without good reason. People don't turn up to 24 hour races looking for reasons to not finish, but they do have to consider risks and costs. If you have to keep pitting for flats, you're not going to win. You will keep tearing up your car though, and if it happens at the wrong point you end up having to explain to family and friends why your driver was just involved in a 180mph crash and died when you knew there was a recurring, unidentified fault.

Likelihood × Severity = Risk.
 
Fair enough. Coward was the only word I could think of to describe it. He's very experienced and it's 24 hours where anything can happen but decided to back out early.
The car had multiple tyre failures and couldn't find the cause. If they had a more serious failure where a driver may be have been injured in an accident how stupid do you think he'd look for not doing something about it?
 
I guess it comes to a point where you have to ask yourself/your team: Are you determined to win or determined to get home safe. Whichever one takes priority then decides that outcome. We're not racing in the 1960s anymore and safety has become a much "safer" thing, but to each their own right?

Saying that what I said was ridiculous would make a lot more sense in a time when any small accident could/would cause fuel fires and trapped drivers. Of course back then if there was a recurring thing that could make you crash out you wouldn't risk it because a crash then meant so much more. It still means a lot today but I look at it differently. Mainly because I'm talking from my couch and have no racing experience whatsoever lol
 
I guess it comes to a point where you have to ask yourself/your team: Are you determined to win or determined to get home safe. Whichever one takes priority then decides that outcome. We're not racing in the 1960s anymore and safety has become a much "safer" thing, but to each their own right?

Saying that what I said was ridiculous would make a lot more sense in a time when any small accident could/would cause fuel fires and trapped drivers. Of course back then if there was a recurring thing that could make you crash out you wouldn't risk it because a crash then meant so much more. It still means a lot today but I look at it differently. Mainly because I'm talking from my couch and have no racing experience whatsoever lol
They were already down a number of laps, they didn’t have a chance to win. They were already out for the count. Wayne clearly took the more logical option. Why would you continue to put your equipment and your drivers at risk when you’re a number of laps down already? There’s honestly no point in going out there and continuing. Anyone who would do that is lacking some common sense.
 
I guess it comes to a point where you have to ask yourself/your team: Are you determined to win or determined to get home safe. Whichever one takes priority then decides that outcome. We're not racing in the 1960s anymore and safety has become a much "safer" thing, but to each their own right?

How are you going to win with a recurring tyre failure problem that can very easily drop you 10 places each time? Especially with the lack of FCY we have this year... if winning isn't an option why would it take preference over safety? That'd just be foolish.

FWIW, the problem didn't seem as bad as he made it... but that's just my opinion, and I don't have wealth or health invested in it.
 
I guess it comes to a point where you have to ask yourself/your team: Are you determined to win or determined to get home safe. Whichever one takes priority then decides that outcome. We're not racing in the 1960s anymore and safety has become a much "safer" thing, but to each their own right?

Saying that what I said was ridiculous would make a lot more sense in a time when any small accident could/would cause fuel fires and trapped drivers. Of course back then if there was a recurring thing that could make you crash out you wouldn't risk it because a crash then meant so much more. It still means a lot today but I look at it differently. Mainly because I'm talking from my couch and have no racing experience whatsoever lol

I'd say its better to retire then keep your drivers out on track not knowing if they make the next lap or not. And I doubt even modern safety makes the idea of 200mph+ crash waiting to happen (considering how many punctures they had had, with no visible cause) calm the drivers minds.
 
Back