2019/20 Premier League & General Football Discussion

[MUSC4EVER]

Here are the games for the FA Cup fifth round this week.

Monday
Portsmouth v Arsenal (7.45 BT)

Tuesday
Chelsea v Liverpool (7.45 BBC One)
Reading v Sheffield United (8pm)
West Brom v Newcastle (8pm BBC iplayer)

Wednesday
Leicester v Birmingham (7.45)
Sheffield Wednesday v Man City (7.45 BBC One)
Tottenham v Norwich (7.45 BBC iplayer)

Thursday
Derby County v Man United (7.45 BT)

 

[Phoenix]

Oh and Real Madrid beat Barcelona 2-0 in El Clasico on sunday.

 

[redhed17]

A bit of controversy near the end with Everton having a goal disallowed. Sigurdsson was on the floor in front of De Gea and a deflected shot went in. In my opinion it was dissalowed correctly, he was lying in the path of the ball and moved his legs at the last momoent to let the ball past.

He is in the line of the shot between the player and the keeper, he is stopping the keeper from moving off the line if he had to and he pulls his legs back at the last moment. Controversial indeed, but the right call in my opinion.

I didn't think that the Everton goal should have been disallowed. Sigurdsson should have got up quicker for it not to be a problem, but De Gea could see the ball over Sigurdsson, and was going the wrong way from the shot. It was quick thinking for him to pull his legs out of the way.

So Sigurdsson wasn't impeding the keeper's eyeline, and also wasn't interfering with play. I can see why it was disallowed, but I don't think it should have been. And to make it clear, I have no affection for either team.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Portsmouth 0-2 Arsenal.

Sokratis and Nketiah with the goals, fairly comfortable performance by Arsenal who become the first time through to the FA Cup quarter finals, bit of a worry for them that Torriera was stretchered off.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

The SPFL and the Scottish FA have issued an instruction to clubs, couches and match officials to suspend pre and post-match handshakes until further notice as a coronavirus precaution.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Chelsea 2-0 Liverpool
West Brom 2-3 Newcastle
Reading 1-2 Sheffield United

Liverpool's very recent struggles continue as they crash out of the cup, no shots on target in the second half and Klopp did make some changes but Van Dijk, Gomez, Robertson, Fabinho and Mane all started, Willian and Barkley got Chelsea's goals and their 18-year old midfielder Billy Gilmour was fantastic and got MOTM.

Newcastle are in the quarter finals of the FA Cup for the first time since 2006 and Sheffield United needed extra time to beat Reading.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Leicester 1-0 Birmingham
Tottenham 1-1 Norwich (Norwich win 2-3 on penalties)
Sheffield Wednesday 0-1 Man City

Norwich have just knocked out Spurs of the FA Cup on penalties! Vertonghen and Drmic got the goals in regular time.

Man City dominated much of their match but the was a bit unlucky on Wednesdays part, Aguero's shot hit keeper Joe Wildsmith's forearm but still bounced over the line in the second half.

Ricardo Pereira got Leicester's winner eight minutes from the end.

FA Cup Sixth Round draw.

Sheffield United v Arsenal
Newcastle v Man City
Norwich v Derby/Man United
Leicester v Chelsea

 

[Dennisch]

Sheffield United v Arsenal
Newcastle v Man City
Norwich v Derby/Man United
Leicester v Chelsea

How are these draws done, because that line-up smells like rigging.

 

[Jimlaad43]

How are these draws done, because that line-up smells like rigging.

Totally transparent and fair

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Draw happened after the Sheffield Wednesday-Man City game which was televised.

Eric Dier got into a confrontation with fans after the Spurs game, he climbed over advertising hoardings and into the stand climbing over rows of seats to confront some Spurs fans before being led away by stewards. Jose Mourinho has suggested that Dier reacted to insults towards a family member at full time, Dier's brother in attendance to watch the game.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Derby 0-3 Man United.

Comfortable win and performance by United, we started a bit nervy but soon got going. A brace from Ighalo and a rare Luke Shaw goal puts United into the quarter finals away to Norwich. Rooney had two great free kicks saved by Romero, a nice little confidence booster ahead of the Manchester derby on Sunday.

A few other bits and pieces.

The FA have launched an investigation into the Eric Dier incident at the end of the Spurs-Norwich game last night, my take on the whole thing is that although it was unprofessional of Dier but I do respect and understand why he did it if his brother was getting abused and assaulted by some fans according to the reports of the incident.

The Premier League will no longer have pre-match handshakes until further notice because of the coronavirus, this news came after the PL said that matches to be played behind closed doors will be 'likely' in the next few weeks.

Carlo Ancelotti has been fined £8,000 but wont face a touchline ban after he accepted a misconduct charge for getting into the refs face after the Everton-Man United game on Sunday, that punishment seems very lenient.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Here are the games for this weekend.

Saturday
Arsenal v West Ham
Burnley v Tottenham (5.30 Sky)
Crystal Palace v Watford
Liverpool v Bournemouth (12.45 BT)
Sheffield United v Norwich
Southampton v Newcastle
Wolves v Brighton

Sunday
Chelsea v Everton (2pm Sky)
Man United v Man City (4.30 Sky)

Monday
Leicester v Aston Villa (8pm Sky)

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Today's results. A low scoring day today.

Liverpool 2-1 Bournemouth
Wolves 0-0 Brighton
Sheffield United 1-0 Norwich
Arsenal 1-0 West Ham
Southampton 0-1 Newcastle
Crystal Palace 1-0 Watford

Southampton had Djeunpo sent off after the ref took a look at his challenge on the monitor, Liverpool have broken another record and this time its consecutive top flight league wins in a row with 22, and they have actually broken their own record set in 1972 with 21 wins, they need just three wins for the league title regardless of what Man City do.

 

[Jimlaad43]

consecutive top flight league wins in a row with 22,

That's home wins, right?

 

[MUSC4EVER]

It is, I must have forgot to put the word 'home' in.

Its 22 consecutive top flight home league wins, Liverpool haven't lost at home in the league since February 2019.

 

[redhed17]

Terrible VAR decision in the Liverpool game. Gomez pushed off the ball in the build up to the Bournemouth goal, obvious during the game, and even more obvious from the replays. Yet nothing happened apparently. That led to some obvious pushes from both sides going unpunished in the rest of the game. Because pushing someone off the was suddenly OK.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Do you know what was weird today?.

They have stopped the pre-match handshakes between the players and officials until further notice because of the coronavirus, so the players now just walked past each other right before the game, some nodded to each other and gave fist bumps and elbow bumps, the whole thing just looked awkward and a bit stupid, I don't know why they just didn't start the match.

 

[MUSC4EVER]

Chelsea 4-0 Everton
Man United 2-0 Man City

Chelsea battered a woeful Everton, goals came from Mount, Pedro, Willian and Giroud. Everton only had one shot on target all game and were just terrible. Young Billy Gilmour had another man of the match performance in midfield for Chelsea and looked fantastic.

City dominated the first 20 minutes but couldn't get a goal, United then had a good spell and that's where our first goal came from, it was a free kick which Fernandes cleverly dinked to Martial who poked home right through Ederson, it was all City in the second half but they didn't really do that much and United showed good character and resolve, our second was right at the end when Ederson with a poor clearance which McTominay latched onto and booted the ball into the empty net, Brilliant win and just what the club needs, we have done the league double over City for the first time since 2009 and have won three in a row against them.

So Happy!! 👍

 

[Phoenix]

Brilliant result for United today.

Performance wasn't top notch today, but a win against the city rivals is always the most important on a day like this.

 

[Touring Mars]

Thanks to that result, Liverpool can now win the title against Crystal Palace at Anfield in two games' time provided they win against Everton first...

... and my mate has a hospitality ticket for the big game. He's been waiting nearly 30 years for it, so it will be amazing to be at the game if they clinch the title. I just hope they aren't forced to play the game behind closed doors.*

*That said, ironically, if the game is played behind closed doors, then we'd almost certainly watch the game in a crowded, sweaty pub in Glasgow, so I'm kind of hoping it goes ahead for my own sake as well as his...

 

[Jezza819]

Thank you Man United

I was expecting a City goal in that second half because they were winning all of the loose balls, United would get the ball then clip it off a teammates back foot or something like that. It just seemed City were getting all of the breaks in the second half but then Ederson gave the biggest gift of the game to seal it for United. City really miss De Bruyne when he's not in the lineup.

 

[JohnBM01]

I mostly saw the second half of Chelsea FC vs. Everton FC. I basically knew Chelsea had this one wrapped up once they banged in their third and fourth goals of the game. As far as the Manchester Derby goes, I didn't see the game, as I was seeing NBC debut MotoGP. I'm still pleased for Man. U. to take down their crosstown rivals.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Do you know what was weird today?.

They have stopped the pre-match handshakes between the players and officials until further notice because of the coronavirus, so the players now just walked past each other right before the game, some nodded to each other and gave fist bumps and elbow bumps, the whole thing just looked awkward and a bit stupid, I don't know why they just didn't start the match.

Daft when you think about it. You don't catch it through your hands. You do catch it by breathing on each other when you are in close proximity. Walking passed each other....

 

[Famine]

You don't catch it through your hands.

Hands are a major vector, and it's pretty dangerous to dismiss it.

You can pick up the virus on your skin from surfaces (other coronaviruses have shown the potential to survive for up to nine days on plastics and cardboard, though only a couple of hours on copper and stainless steel), and infectious people can put it onto their own hands - particularly when covering their mouth or nose with their hands when coughing or sneezing - and transfer it to you with a handshake.

All that your now-virus-laden hand needs to do to infect you is to subconsciously touch your mouth, nose, ears or eyes... which you probably just did while reading that. And now your right eye is itchy and you want to rub it, but now you're aware of that and you're trying not to rub it.

This is why good handwashing technique is basically front-line defence against droplet-transmitted viruses. Limiting the amount of hand-to-hand contact with other people - especially with SARS-CoV-2's asymptomatic infectious period of around two weeks - is also eminently sensible.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Hands are a major vector, and it's pretty dangerous to dismiss it.

You can pick up the virus on your skin from surfaces (other coronaviruses have shown the potential to survive for up to nine days on plastics and cardboard, though only a couple of hours on copper and stainless steel), and infectious people can put it onto their own hands - particularly when covering their mouth or nose with their hands when coughing or sneezing - and transfer it to you with a handshake.

All that your now-virus-laden hand needs to do to infect you is to subconsciously touch your mouth, nose, ears or eyes... which you probably just did while reading that. And now your right eye is itchy and you want to rub it, but now you're aware of that and you're trying not to rub it.

This is why good handwashing technique is basically front-line defence against droplet-transmitted viruses. Limiting the amount of hand-to-hand contact with other people - especially with SARS-CoV-2's asymptomatic infectious period of around two weeks - is also eminently sensible.

You are missing the point. You catch it via the eyes, nose and mouth. By breathing on people. As you are walking passed them in a line. Breathing. The hand shake is the definition of stupid under those circumstances....

 

[Famine]

You are missing the point. You catch it via the eyes, nose and mouth. By breathing on people. As you are walking passed them in a line. Breathing. The hand shake is the definition of stupid under those circumstances....

No. If someone is infected you are considerably more likely to get it off someone's hands than by being three feet away from their breath. It's not airborne, it's transmitted by droplets.

It's frankly moronic not to limit hand-to-hand exposure.

 

[Tired Tyres]

No. If someone is infected you are considerably more likely to get it off someone's hands than by being three feet away from their breath. It's not airborne, it's transmitted by droplets.

It's frankly moronic not to limit hand-to-hand exposure.

Droplets. In breath. Because you a breathing in close proximity. The hands are irrelevant in this context.

 

[Famine]

Droplets. In breath.

No, droplets in coughs and sneezes. If you're breathing out sputum you have considerable other health issues than COVID-19 and are unlikely to be on a professional football pitch.

Because you a breathing in close proximity. The hands are irrelevant in this context.

I cannot over-express how straight up wrong you are here, and I have no idea where you're getting your information to insist that you are right.

Hands are not only orders of magnitude higher as transmission vector than breathing, transmission by regular breathing is as close to zero as can be possible (though I wouldn't say actual zero). You definitely can contract it by inhaling droplets from someone's coughs and sneezes, but from regular breathing it's almost an infinitessimal chance. The virus is not airborne (edit: yet), it is transmitted in droplets - please read up on the difference between airborne transmission (breathing) and droplet transmission (sputum); an airborne virus would be exponentially more infectious.


Dismissing hand-to-hand contact as a vector is foolish and dangerous. Not limiting hand-to-hand exposure is irresponsible and dangerous. Suggesting it's a minor factor compared to breathing is wrong, and dangerous.

Limiting hand-to-hand contact in this way is a sensible precaution.

 

[Tired Tyres]

No, droplets in coughs and sneezes. If you're breathing out sputum you have considerable other health issues than COVID-19 and are unlikely to be on a professional football pitch.

I cannot over-express how straight up wrong you are here, and I have no idea where you're getting your information to insist that you are right.

Hands are not only orders of magnitude higher as transmission vector than breathing, transmission by regular breathing is as close to zero as can be possible (though I wouldn't say actual zero). You definitely can contract it by inhaling droplets from someone's coughs and sneezes, but from regular breathing it's almost an infinitessimal chance. The virus is not airborne (edit: yet), it is transmitted in droplets - please read up on the difference between airborne transmission (breathing) and droplet transmission (sputum); an airborne virus would be exponentially more infectious.


Dismissing hand-to-hand contact as a vector is foolish and dangerous. Not limiting hand-to-hand exposure is irresponsible and dangerous. Suggesting it's a minor factor compared to breathing is wrong, and dangerous.

Limiting hand-to-hand contact in this way is a sensible precaution.

Because I am 100% right. Breathing in close proximity is the issue not shaking hands at the same time.

I'm not saying you shouldn't wash you hands to cover the eventuality of picking it up on your hands.

In the CONTEXT they are in it is daft.

 

[Famine]

Because I am 100% right. Breathing in close proximity is the issue not shaking hands at the same time.

You absolutely aren't, and you're going against all known information on SARS-CoV-2. Either have a source that says SARS-CoV-2 is now fully airborne, or you are catastrophically misunderstanding the transmission mode of the virus and insisting you aren't.

It is a droplet transmitted virus which requires moist droplets found in coughs and sneezes, not an airborne virus which can pass out of the body simply by breathing. You can get it by inhaling coughs and sneezes, not by being near someone breathing normally. You can get it by someone picking it up on their hands, transferring it to your hands, and you placing your hand in a moist place, not by being near someone breathing normally. Again, please look up what the difference is between airborne transmission and droplet transmission, because SARS-CoV-2 is the latter and not the former you are insisting it is.


In the context of a pre-match handshake, it's as far from daft as you can get.