2019 Formula 1 Gran Premio Heineken d'ItaliaFormula 1

[Veinz]

I thought it was pretty amusing....

 

[NotThePrez]

DQ them all for being a part of that farce. Make them start behind the power unit penalty cars.

If anyone, I feel like the Hulk is the one who's most deserving, since him cutting the chicane and slowing up the pack is what caused most of the shenanigans.

Otherwise that was probably the best/worst thing I've ever seen watching F1.

 

[jake2013guy]

If anyone, I feel like the Hulk is the one who's most deserving, since him cutting the chicane and slowing up the pack is what caused most of the shenanigans.

He is. But if you watch that back, you can see Stroll backing the field up at T1 so you could argue he's as bad as Stroll was.

 

[Jimlaad43]

Stroll, Hulkenberg and Sainz have been given a Reprimand for their part in the farce. So basically nothing has been done about it...

When will the FIA learn that the best way to solve drivers being idiots is to harshly penalise drivers the first time they make a transgression as a serious deterrent. Chucking the top 10 out of qualifying would have sent a massive message that that was unacceptable. If they couldn't find a reason in the regulations, just say "for bringing the sport into disrepute" as a reason. Now the teams know its just a Reprimand, there's no incentive for teams to not just mess about and block on outlaps.

 

[Touring Mars]

So, Hulk was holding up the entire pack and Stroll was proceeding too casually... makes sense.

 

[BrainsBush]

A lot of discussion on social media about Vettel's quali run. His car left the track with four wheel over the white line but apperently no penalty.
I missed that during the quali itself.

 

[Sum1s2pid]

/golfclap

Best qualifying ever. Hilarious. Had to rewatch highlights to make sure I wasn't imagining things.

 

[Jubby]

A lot of discussion on social media about Vettel's quali run. His car left the track with four wheel over the white line but apperently no penalty.
I missed that during the quali itself.

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I wonder if the FIA are thinking the turf is penalty enough, there.

 

[Touring Mars]

I wonder if the FIA are thinking the turf is penalty enough, there.

I wonder if the FIA are thinking they don't want to wake up with a horse's head in their beds tomorrow.

 

[Jubby]

I wonder if the FIA are thinking they don't want to wake up with a horse's head in their beds tomorrow.

That too. It's not like they know how to enforce their own rules.

 

[Carbon_6]

And here I thought Moto3 riders were bad at waiting for the slipstream.

On the outside I was like...

On the inside I was like...

 

[Veinz]

From reddit. The Benny Hill theme is too cliche, this is much more fitting.

 

[desmodan]

Ok . So . shenanigans aside. If leclerc and sainz were the only 2 to set an actual time in Q3 , why is sainz 7th ?

 

[Jimlaad43]

Ok . So . shenanigans aside. If leclerc and sainz were the only 2 to set an actual time in Q3 , why is sainz 7th ?

7 drivers managed to set a time in the first runs before Kimi's crash. Sainz was the only one who managed to improve his time in the second runs.

 

[desmodan]

Ok . Sorry. I really ought to pay more attention

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Explanation of counting Bottas' time by motorsport.com
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/bottas-lap-qualifying-red-flag/4534561/

Excerpt:

Motorsport.com understands the reason Bottas's laptime was counted is because of how a session being suspended under a red flag is classified.

Although the red light was triggered on the marshal post before Bottas's lap ends, the red flag was registered by the official timing system fractionally later.

This is because of a tiny delay between the order being given for red flags and lights to be shown at all marshal posts, and the FIA's official messaging system being updated.

It is the moment the "red flag" message appears on the official messaging system that counts as the suspension of the session.

Bottas's time is therefore valid as he crossed the line before the session was officially suspended.

After qualifying, Bottas actually felt he was "quite unlucky" as he says the lap time that eventually counted for third was slightly slower than it would have been without Raikkonen's crash.

"I had the yellow flags for Kimi so I had to lift off properly and I also feel I lost the pole there," he said. "It's annoying when it could have been possible but it could have been a lot worse today."

 

[desmodan]

I would argue Vettel tried to but was massively impeded.

So Vettel (a multiple world champion a nigh on 1000hp car) was impeded by someone doing 50mph ! It was his choice to sit there and be disadvantaged .

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

From reddit. The Benny Hill theme is too cliche, this is much more fitting.

There's a Benny Hill version on reddit too, but it doesn't really fit this particular clip well. It would need a different cut, preferably at the start of the warm-up lap.

 

[Grayfox]

This crap could've been avoided if all the teams didn't go out at once.

They had 5+minutes to go out with their team mate to set a laps, out lap flying lap, cool down, flying lap(so both can set a flying lap.
All with a toe no less.
But they decided to play silly games and send everyone out in traffic.

 

[NotThePrez]

So Vettel (a multiple world champion a nigh on 1000hp car) was impeded by someone doing 50mph ! It was his choice to sit there and be disadvantaged .

Except that's not how the strategy works, especially at a track like Monza that relies very much on top speed. Vettel was supposed to be behind Leclerc so that Leclerc could give him an aerodynamic tow during the lap, since Vettel seems to be the faster red car. Kinda hard to do all that with two cars blocking the track, both of which who are also trying to get that same aerodynamic help from someone else, with time counting down on the board. Plus, if Vettel had decided to just move on and try and set a lap, he'd have to go in the grass, basically ruining his lap, and he'd be giving his rivals, especially the Mercs and potentially the Renaults, a massive helping hand.

This crap could've been avoided if all the teams didn't go out at once.

They had 5+minutes to go out with their team mate to set a laps, out lap flying lap, cool down, flying lap(so both can set a flying lap.
All with a toe no less.
But they decided to play silly games and send everyone out in traffic.

Thing is is that all the teams were waiting for someone to go out first, so that they could ride in the other cars' wake. I think you would've gotten the traffic situation no matter what, with a slightly better chance of the field being broken up after the outlap.

 

[desmodan]

Except that's not how the strategy works, especially at a track like Monza that relies very much on top speed. Vettel was supposed to be behind Leclerc so that Leclerc could give him an aerodynamic tow during the lap, since Vettel seems to be the faster red car. Kinda hard to do all that with two cars blocking the track, both of which who are also trying to get that same aerodynamic help from someone else, with time counting down on the board. Plus, if Vettel had decided to just move on and try and set a lap, he'd have to go in the grass, basically ruining his lap, and he'd be giving his rivals, especially the Mercs and potentially the Renaults, a massive helping hand.



Thing is is that all the teams were waiting for someone to go out first, so that they could ride in the other cars' wake. I think you would've gotten the traffic situation no matter what, with a slightly better chance of the field being broken up after the outlap.

But it was vettels choice to be in that position . He had full and detailed knowledge of his delta times and yet he chose not to cross the line in time

I don't mean to single out Vettel , Hamilton , Bottas , et al . They all had the choice to do their own thing , but decided to let everyone else do their thinking for them ( and that worked out o so well )
Maybe it's time to change Q3 to a super pole type arrangement with one car on track at a time ???

 

[evldave333]

A lot of discussion on social media about Vettel's quali run. His car left the track with four wheel over the white line but apperently no penalty.
I missed that during the quali itself.

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standard ferrari mafia rules for monza...

 

[mustafur]

So Vettel (a multiple world champion a nigh on 1000hp car) was impeded by someone doing 50mph ! It was his choice to sit there and be disadvantaged .

Disagree, watch it again, from the moment he left the pits he tried to get going:

 

[desmodan]

Disagree, watch it again, from the moment he left the pits he tried to get going:

So try harder
I'm pushing 50 n I would have no difficulty accelerating harder than that in t wife's honda jazz

 

[mustafur]

So try harder
I'm pushing 50 n I would have no difficulty accelerating harder than that in t wife's honda jazz

Do you drive into traffic when being impeded?

 

[Grayfox]

Thing is is that all the teams were waiting for someone to go out first, so that they could ride in the other cars' wake. I think you would've gotten the traffic situation no matter what, with a slightly better chance of the field being broken up after the outlap.

But waiting until the last seconds.

 

[desmodan]

My point exactly.

HE ALLOWED himself to be boxed in.
HE CHOSE to take a line with no exit.

There was more than enough track to find some space and as he clearly demonstrated if there isn't enough room on track there's always a bit more outside the white line .

Vettel is a world champion driver with skils that 99.99999% of us can only dream about
If he can't find a way through 50mph traffic , then maybe it's time for a change .

 

[mustafur]

My point exactly.

HE ALLOWED himself to be boxed in.
HE CHOSE to take a line with no exit.

There was more than enough track to find some space and as he clearly demonstrated if there isn't enough room on track there's always a bit more outside the white line .

Vettel is a world champion driver with skils that 99.99999% of us can only dream about
If he can't find a way through 50mph traffic , then maybe it's time for a change .

You do realise the second Ferrari out of the Pits is Vettel, your saying a heap of words but the reality is he was blocked to go any further unless he went off the circuit (which is stupid because they are under Parc Ferme).

 

[desmodan]

Second Ferrari , First Williams , it makes no difference .

Monza has plenty of track width to overtake but he , and everyone else , chose to sit in formation and let the time run out .

The teams team's chose to send their cars out with seconds to spare.

The drivers chose to ignore delta times which prevented them from reaching the line in time to put in a timed lap.

It's a situation that needs to be addressed by the FIA

 

[mustafur]

Second Ferrari , First Williams , it makes no difference .

Monza has plenty of track width to overtake but he , and everyone else , chose to sit in formation and let the time run out .

The teams team's chose to send their cars out with seconds to spare.

The drivers chose to ignore delta times which prevented them from reaching the line in time to put in a timed lap.

It's a situation that needs to be addressed by the FIA

Again you spit drivel that makes no sense, what part of the track was blocked don't you understand?