2019 Porsche 911 (992)

I have to say, as a 992.1 GTS owner, I'm mildly disappointed in the update. I suppose it's a cliche for Porsche owners to perpetually disparage new designs.

I think in some ways, this is an improvement. Certainly the move from the 3.0 twin turbo to the new 3.6 liter single turbo is quite interesting. And from the few videos I saw, it makes a GREAT sound. And fuel economy is virtually unchanged, plus there. I'm happy that we still have a few years left of "traditional" music from the engine bay, and if it meets current emissions standards...yay. THAT was a good move.

However, if I'm honest, the current generation GTS already has plenty of power (473-hp). It's almost at the straight line performance level of the 991 turbo. No enthusiast will ever say it has 'too much' power. But, at what cost. Having the electric motor power the single turbo rather than exhaust gases (allegedly) helps eliminate turbo lag, which was, in my mind, ALWAYS a problem with forced induction vehicles, the 991.2/992.1 included. That I'm happy with. But, was it REALLY necessary to add the battery hybrid system on TOP of that? Without it, I believe I read in one review this setup would make about 480-hp. And with it, the 992.2 GTS is now a portly 1600+ kgs. Get rid of it. Sure, it's faster despite the weight increase. But it's already VERY fast. And it just adds unnecessary complexity. I'd rather they dropped the weight. The 992.1 is already a rather heavy car. Getting it down under 1450-kgs would be a bigger improvement in my eyes.

I'm wondering if they'll do just that (the new 3.6 single turbo but without the hybrid system) in the 992.2 911 S. For me at least, that would be a preferable option. More so because it sounds like the GTS at least will be PDK only. There we go again. Hopefully they'll keep the manual option for the S.

As for the rest of the changes, the loss of the analog tachometer...yeah...of course I'm sad to see it go but...whatever, that's progress. I suppose. And the push button start? Also, hey, what can you do. And the the active front aero? Mmm...I mean, yes, it's an aero improvement but come on, it looks kind of ugly. Or at least...silly It's sort of like they said, hey, let's take an idea from the B-engineering team, just to make them feel better. Moveable slats, ahhh, there we go.

Like most styling 'upgrades' it's likely to grow more palatable over time. Performance wise, it seems that Porsche is now commited to a Ferrari like race to ridiculous power numbers at the cost of weight.
 
As for the rest of the changes, the loss of the analog tachometer...yeah...of course I'm sad to see it go but...whatever, that's progress. I suppose.
I don't think that's progress, I think that's cost cutting. Big step back...the 992.1 instrument cluster was awesome. The new one is lame.
 
I don't think that's progress, I think that's cost cutting. Big step back...the 992.1 instrument cluster was awesome. The new one is lame.
There is a certain level of absurdity to consider such a move 'cost cutting' in a vehicle that has a base price of over $125,000. And most versions, considerably more with options. Granted, yes, they probably do save money, so, point taken. And that may have been a factor, but from an engineering perspective, it does give them a lot more options and flexibility by using a single wide screen. Given the choice, if it was an option I would rather stick with the analog gauge. However I guess the bigger point is, soon, no car will need a tachometer of any kind. And this was just another small, incremental step in getting there.
 

8% shorter final drive
Touring gets a "Leichtbau" package
Weight is 1,420kg

Also the GT3 turned 25 years old this year :eek:
 
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GT3 is 25 years old... wow.

Can't wait to put another scale model in my collection because I'll never afford the real thing 😂

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Reading through Rennlist a bit tonight, a good chunk of 911 owners are not exactly thrilled about the new GT3's $220,000+ price tag; it's a $40,000 increase before options & ADMs from the dealerships for what many believe are not significant enough changes to warrant the new price. Many think this is Porsche seeing the money the dealers made from ADMs on the GT3 as well as demand, & decided to get in on it. An interesting note is that $220,000 could've bought you a current GT3 RS just a couple years ago.
You can expect the 2023 911 GT3 RS to arrive at U.S. dealerships by next spring. So get ready for the thrill of a lifetime in the Porsche of a lifetime. Starting at $223,800.
 
Reading through Rennlist a bit tonight, a good chunk of 911 owners are not exactly thrilled about the new GT3's $220,000+ price tag; it's a $40,000 increase before options & ADMs from the dealerships for what many believe are not significant enough changes to warrant the new price. Many think this is Porsche seeing the money the dealers made from ADMs on the GT3 as well as demand, & decided to get in on it. An interesting note is that $220,000 could've bought you a current GT3 RS just a couple years ago.
Depending on the definition of couple of years it nearly got you two. The 997 RS was ~ 135k and the GT3 115k with much shorter options lists. But this new wealth bubble today will still buy it (and others probably scalp them and sell them for even more). Prices are completely out of hand. Just remember that close to nobody was willing to invest 350k into an LFA roughly 10 years ago.
 
The opposite of what @TheCracker noticed on the Ferrari (and the Corvette, and the new Lexus), the GT3 is still using centerlock hubs. For some reason, Porsche sees fit to swap out the 911's 5x130 hubs for centerlocks, whereas Ferrari and some others are going back the opposite way. I do think it's a little surprising because vastly more Porsche owners track their cars than Ferrari, and many have spare sets of wheels with track tires that they'll swap to when they get to the track, but the centerlocks make that process much more difficult and requires special tools.
 
I take it that record will never be beaten(unless by another Porsche).
Next Viper would surely have a manual. I comment on every one of Ralph Giles’s Instagram posts nagging him about the next Viper lol.
 
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Murray T.50/T.33? Pagani Utopia?
Maybe the T.50, but depends on Gordon & Dario. Gordon's much like Horacio in that track times really aren't a priority for them over just making sure the car delivers the specific sensation they want.
 
Next Viper would surely have a manual. I comment on every one of Ralph Giles’s Instagram posts nagging him about the next Viper lol.
Essaywhaman? Had no idea a new Viper was in the works.
Murray T.50/T.33? Pagani Utopia?

Maybe the T.50, but depends on Gordon & Dario. Gordon's much like Horacio in that track times really aren't a priority for them over just making sure the car delivers the specific sensation they want.
That’s what I figured from the interviews. Still, crazy, only way to possibly beat that time, is to spend over one million in any currency.
 
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Maybe the T.50, but depends on Gordon & Dario. Gordon's much like Horacio in that track times really aren't a priority for them over just making sure the car delivers the specific sensation they want.
The Zonda F Clubsport held the Nurburgring record for a while. Doesn't necessarily mean that the Utopia will be making an attempt or beating the GT3 even if it did, but I could see Horacio taking another swing.

In fact that very car is parked at the Pagani gallery in San Rafael, CA right now - why, I'm not sure. I suppose its a nice piece of furniture to look at for people putting deposits down on Utopias, but I don't think its legal to drive in the USA. I snapped this pic of it on my ride into work the other day:

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(As a sign of how kind of nuts income inequality has become, the Pagani "dealer" is basically right next to the largest homeless encampment in the county)
 
In fact that very car is parked at the Pagani gallery in San Rafael, CA right now - why, I'm not sure. I suppose its a nice piece of furniture to look at for people putting deposits down on Utopias, but I don't think its legal to drive in the USA. I snapped this pic of it on my ride into work the other day:

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This is getting off topic, but the owner left it there on display. They also bought a Utopia at that same dealership a few months earlier. I actually saw that Zonda get tracked at Sonoma at the Velocity Invitational last year

 
The Zonda F Clubsport held the Nurburgring record for a while. Doesn't necessarily mean that the Utopia will be making an attempt or beating the GT3 even if it did, but I could see Horacio taking another swing.

In fact that very car is parked at the Pagani gallery in San Rafael, CA right now - why, I'm not sure. I suppose its a nice piece of furniture to look at for people putting deposits down on Utopias, but I don't think its legal to drive in the USA. I snapped this pic of it on my ride into work the other day:

(As a sign of how kind of nuts income inequality has become, the Pagani "dealer" is basically right next to the largest homeless encampment in the county)
I knew the F was named in remembrance of Fangio, but I didn't know Pagani actually set out to the 'Ring in his honor, so that's pretty neat. I only know of the EVO test where it, the MC12, the Enzo, and the CCX were tested at the 'Ring with the Zonda only coming 2nd to the MC12 but Evo liking the Zonda the most.

I just don't think it would make much difference to Horacio. The lap times have become street legal race cars with leather seats & A/C, and Pagani already has an order book full. The cars have also entered a point where they're becoming different from each other as well like the Zonda commissions, so who knows what Utopia is really capable of unless Horacio already has sketches of a R in his office.

On that particular car, I'm sure it's legal as Pagani hosts an ownership drive at least once in the US each year & Zondas pop up. Your state also has a Cinque in it & that was kind of the peak of Pagani's performance in the Zonda road car that influenced half the commissions. If that's legal, I'd be surprised none other aren't. The fact it's original is an accomplishment on its own as most Fs have long been retailored (though I suppose that's one example Pagani will not touch now given its significance).
 
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