2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

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The McLarens are winning...

I dunno what I did wrong. I made no mistakes, except maybe one misjudged pitstop (came out with nobody to follow). Ended up 20 seconds behind the lead by the end of the race. SLS.
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I drove a Macca in a low-ranked lobby, and your experience mirrored what happened in my race.

I started pole, and just cleared off - the second car was an NSX, third was an SLS. They didn't really make mistakes but I didn't either, and they just didn't have the pace to keep up.

As per your race, I finished 20 sec ahead of an SLS who really made no errors either. I lapped 14 of 19 other cars, fastest lap, etc etc.

I can understand the annoyance in the community. Despite my win (my first FIA win), it was only because the Macca was so OP it was ridiculous. Mind, with the FFs having an unfair advantage at a lot of other tracks/races, I don't feel completely bad :-)
 
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FIA Gran Turismo Championship // Manufacturer Series
2021 Exhibition Series - Season 2 - Round 6
Autodrome Lago Maggiore - GP II // Gr.3 - BMW M6

Slot 2, I was door number 16 in the 2nd split. I was like crap, going to get my tail whipped today, lol. Better put in a good qualy! First qualy lap was total poo. I was just too tight. 2nd lap was much better and qualified with a 1:54.7xx. Good for Q10. Not bad. Now I just needed people to make unforced errors. And they did!

What I didn't realize was how hard folks would battle another on softer tires. Elbows were a bit out. I lost a ton of time in traffic running a 6M 3H 6S strat. But, I made some good passes, some aggressive passes, and had some freebies. Felt like the race was pretty clean considering you had hards pitted up against softs at times.

Finished P7 and raked in 224 Manu Points, got 700ish DR. So, a good night at a track that I struggle on. Pretty pleased!

 
Dredge’s Alt Adventures: Chapter 9.

Slot 3 in the Americas and it loads with me door 3, 15845/99. I have done approximately 10 laps in the WRX, all in FP, all on softs. Set a 54.8xxx on my last FP lap.

Into the lobby and I’m showing a single red bar. Not good. All of the NA entrants are three or two bars. All the South Americans are 5 bars.

Qualifying starts and I find a nice gap to start but a Vantage who probably started a good 3 seconds ahead goes wide at the first left hander and I have to take evasive action to avoid punting him at BBB. I exit in front but he uses the slip and decides to stick his nose in as we make the fast left hander. He simply floors it and takes us both out.

I lick my wounds and concentrate on the second lap. I have to navigate a lot of traffic but without too much issue and cross the line with a high 55. It’s good enough for pole.

Into the race and I have no idea how far the tyres will go so I start on mediums to see what transpires. A Corvette gets past me almost immediately and tuck in behind. He is clearly in softs but is very lose through the twisty bits. We are putting a good gap in to third though.

Lap 3 and he gets out of shape into turn 2 and I duck up the inside. That’s the last I see of him as he then gets a track limit penalty and bins it through the esses.

The WRX is ok on tyres and I go 8 laps before throwing in the hards. Still p1. 2 laps on hards and I duck in again. I come out side-by-side with the new p1. We both give each other lots of room, but he dips a wheel in the grass on the outside and drops off. 5 carefree laps and I cross the line 15 seconds in front of P2 who gets the 1 minute penalty. So does p3. The final p3 is 33 seconds behind me. 72 points for the Canadian and now 17340/99.
 
I didn't make individual posts about them, but I did participate in a couple of the previous rounds. I had a mediocre race in the Nations round at Spa and the MX-5 race at Bathurst showed promise, but after three attempts with the third being cut short by a disconnection, it was ultimately just a waste of time. :ouch:

But moving on from that, here's how today's round went for me:

Americas Slot 3, A/S Lobby, Door #4, 210 points

For qualifying, I decided to go without slipstream and managed 6th with a 1:55.391. However, I was getting purple sectors during the first half of that lap, so a pole was within reach but it wasn't enough. Oh well, still a good place to start.

The pit strategy I went with 7M/2H/6S. I had almost no battles for positions during this race, so it was mostly about being consistent and not making mistakes. Fortunately, the WRX was quite cooperative in regards to tires. We did have a notorious troublemaker in the lobby who was also in the WRX and starting in 9th. He caught up to me on lap 1 but I intentionally let him pass. I wasn't about to take any unnecessary risks here.

When I did my Hards stint on laps 8-9, I encountered a Lancer driver who seemed to be on a similar strategy as me and overtook me shortly after coming out of the pits. They picked up a 0.5 second penalty however and I was able to pass them, for now. We both pitted at the same time on lap 9 for Softs. The Lancer driver overtook me again at the final chicane. With the drivers ahead of us needing to pit and 1st place out of reach by this point, the battle for 2nd place began on lap 12. While behind the Lancer, I noticed that they were struggling quite a bit with control (and looking at the replay, my tires were also in better shape), so I just had to stay nearby and wait for the right opportunity so I could pass.

Said opportunity presented itself on the following lap, and I made a very close but clean overtake on the final chicane. With two laps left, the Lancer driver couldn't catch up to me thanks to my better tires and that was the end of it.

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With this result, I achieved my season goal of getting my first ever 200 point score and a new DR high of 45.6K. :D
 
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The Saturday night post-race show is back on GTP Network!

Our broadcasters are now with AstroVex, the Canadian driver affiliated with Toyota this season.

-So Astro, we know you've been practicing a lot these last few days. Tell us about your race, you looked pretty good out there!

Thanks guys! Yep, it was a pretty intense one. Surely not an easy one, this layout always been a pain for me. Ran a lot of practice laps because I knew the Toyota's were great over here, unfortunately I wasn't. Finally had a couple of decent laps this morning, oh what a relief it was!

As for the race, I made a little mistake that cost me big during qualifying. Starting 5th was under my expectations to be honest. Decided to start on Mediums rather than softs, in order to keep those last ones for the final stint. To my surprise, I gained a position right after T1 on cold tires...That Supra really is a thing when it comes to high speed cornering :)

After that, no way I could catch up to the three guys ahead escaping me. I delivered though, keeping my worse laps around 2:00's, something I wasn't doing yesterday. Managed to end the race in 4th position, not too far behind the leaders. Very pleased with the results; it was a clean race and I got to beat my personal best score tonight! 190 pts! Couldn't be happier! (Highest DR lobby I've been in yet :))

Thanks to all the folks involved tonight, of course, this wouldn't happen without you :)
Congratulations @FA_Hayes , you dominated this one! No practice? Dang 😶 2 laps on hards? 😲 This shows one thing: raw talent. Keep it up man!👌

See ya'll at Willow Springs friends!

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Qualifying went better then expected as I got P6. Unfortunately for the second FIA race in a row, I found the outside on lap 1 and lost positions. However, the strategy that I practiced worked exactly as I planned: Cars were on softs at the beginning and many of them were already struggling for traction while I began to catch them on the Hards. Continued this trend on lap 7 with Mediums and then on Lap 11 with Softs. Could've finished higher if it wasn't for Lap 1 but oh well, top 5 and well above the expected finish is fine by me.
 
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D_Dragline
If anyone has any tips for tuning at Big Willow, I’d be very glad to hear them. Once I have tweaked the gear ratios my knowledge is exhausted. I feel like default settings and mid 1:10s aren’t going to cut it come race time.
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Gosh I'm glad I read your message. Was just about to post, how far off the top ten times I was. Didn't realise we could change the gear ratios. But the variable tuning is definitely not something I'm familiar with.
 
D_Dragline
If anyone has any tips for tuning at Big Willow, I’d be very glad to hear them. Once I have tweaked the gear ratios my knowledge is exhausted. I feel like default settings and mid 1:10s aren’t going to cut it come race time.
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Can see myself skipping this one unless I can get my hands on someone’s tuning for the AMG. Have no idea when it comes to tuning. Only getting 1:11s in early practice with standard settings. Watching KappaKongs lap, he’s taking the final bend pretty much flat in 6th gear. I can’t do that. Then again he is an Alien! Could just be that I’m just rubbish at the track though and everyone can take it flat except me. :lol:
 
SweatyC
Can see myself skipping this one unless I can get my hands on someone’s tuning for the AMG. Have no idea when it comes to tuning. Only getting 1:11s in early practice with standard settings. Watching KappaKongs lap, he’s taking the final bend pretty much flat in 6th gear. I can’t do that. Then again he is an Alien! Could just be that I’m just rubbish at the track though and everyone can take it flat except me. :lol:
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Think that’s just made my mind up about attempting Willow! (Same for Miyabi). Clueless about tuning 😦 On to Dodgems at Interlagos we go! 😬
 
I'm no expert in tuning AT ALL. But with all of those BoP tunes available online, I should find something sooner or later... Hopefully this will be covered in the next youtuber's guide. Let's not forget about the tuning section available here on GTP! :gtpflag:

I made a couple of top 100s in "tuning allowed" time trials only by reading a couple posts and using their godly setups a few months ago. Pretty sure these guys will help us out too ;)
 
Nismonath5
What a phenomenal night's racing at Lake Maggiore!!

My qualifying lap was sub-par but I reckon I more than made up for it in the race, the car felt amazing and I had an absolute blast!!

Thoroughly enjoyed that one, always love racing here!

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Some effort dragging that thing round that track in a tyre wear race. Well done.
 
[UPDATED] This is probably not the best setup...It got me a 1:09.069. (nice)

Front camber is a bit too extreme at stock levels (I checked the tires in corners with photo mode and adjusted the angle accordingly), same goes for rear toe-in. I stiffened the springs a bit to prevent bottoming-out, stiffened the rear roll bar to keep the front inside wheel on the ground on-power, stiffened the dampers for a smoother ride on kerbs, and raised the rear a bit for a bit more aero and to help swing the rear end around corners. Increased front aero, decreased rear aero... a bit more bite on the LSD to help prevent understeer on corner exit and slightly less bite when braking to, again, swing the rear end out. Gears evenly spread close together.

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This is why I absolutely LOATHE tuning. Its why I don't ACC and why I don't iRace. I spent 2 hours of my life this morning "tuning" the M6 to gain 0.6xx seconds. I probably could've shaved a full second off my time just practicing. Waste of my life.

Getting the M6 to rotate is like convincing a grizzly bear to be a ballerina. I'm sure it can done but how many hours must I spend screwing with settings. I don't even fool with my real life race car. You have guys out there in pimped out cars with spoilers and coil-overs and 400 dollar antisway bars, and I'm spanking their ass by 2 seconds in a 2006 mini cooper that's stock. Then they're like, maybe I need to soften the rear shocks. Tinker tinker tinker, fail. Its like trying to beat Tiger Woods with his clubs. Yeah, maybe learn to golf first.

I know they are throwing the tuners a bone, but doesn't mean I have to like it. When you get to the pointy end of the stick, I get it, tuning actually matters. But for the 99% of the rest of us, the loose nut behind the wheel is the one that needs work.

Rant over, going to do something productive now.
 
Zorz
Anybody happen to have a copy of this lying around? Asking for a friend. :lol::D;)

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Try this:
I spent a ton of time trying to tune my Corvette for Big Willow.
It sounds weird, but the thing that helped my car the most, in regards to cornering, was to minimize the front ride height, and maximize the rear. :boggled:
I don't know why it works, but I've dropped 1.5 seconds since I did it. 👍
 
sturk0167
Try this:
I spent a ton of time trying to tune my Corvette for Big Willow.
It sounds weird, but the thing that helped my car the most, in regards to cornering, was to minimize the front ride height, and maximize the rear. :boggled:
I don't know why it works, but I've dropped 1.5 seconds since I did it. 👍
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...that is god tier advice. I just tried applying that to the tune I was running and also knocked off 1.5 seconds! I'm having to make other adjustments because the already loose rear end is now getting very difficult to handle but I've managed to do a 1:08.478.

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It feels very, very strange seeing this on GTBlade. Just need more aliens to get their tunes sorted out I guess. :D
 
Zorz
...that is god tier advice. I just tried applying that to the tune I was running and also knocked off 1.5 seconds! I'm having to make other adjustments because the already loose rear end is now getting very difficult to handle but I've managed to do a 1:08.478.

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It feels very, very strange seeing this on GTBlade. Just need more aliens to get their tunes sorted out I guess. :D
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Hell yeah! Great job.
I can't take the credit, though. I only discovered it when @Mistah_MCA shared his tune. :)
He probably got it from one of his PX7 friends.
 
Geauxgreddy
This is why I absolutely LOATHE tuning. Its why I don't ACC and why I don't iRace. I spent 2 hours of my life this morning "tuning" the M6 to gain 0.6xx seconds. I probably could've shaved a full second off my time just practicing. Waste of my life.

Getting the M6 to rotate is like convincing a grizzly bear to be a ballerina. I'm sure it can done but how many hours must I spend screwing with settings. I don't even fool with my real life race car. You have guys out there in pimped out cars with spoilers and coil-overs and 400 dollar antisway bars, and I'm spanking their ass by 2 seconds in a 2006 mini cooper that's stock. Then they're like, maybe I need to soften the rear shocks. Tinker tinker tinker, fail. Its like trying to beat Tiger Woods with his clubs. Yeah, maybe learn to golf first.

I know they are throwing the tuners a bone, but doesn't mean I have to like it. When you get to the pointy end of the stick, I get it, tuning actually matters. But for the 99% of the rest of us, the loose nut behind the wheel is the one that needs work.

Rant over, going to do something productive now.
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Wait a second. The first time I'm able to do an FIA race in something like 5 weeks and it's a tuning race? FML.
 
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Geauxgreddy
I know they are throwing the tuners a bone, but doesn't mean I have to like it. When you get to the pointy end of the stick, I get it, tuning actually matters. But for the 99% of the rest of us, the loose nut behind the wheel is the one that needs work.
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I have a feeling this may be a GT7 thing. I wonder if they are taking the setups used for this race and running them through their PP system in GT7 (where their AI will simulate laptimes and assign PP based on that). I wouldn't be surprised if there is a tuning series coming to try and satiate those more hardcore players and having an open lobby with PP limitations only being a thing.
 
Geauxgreddy
Because I hate admitting defeat, I spent 5:30p to 10:30p tuning with 3 other people. 20 man hours. Im down to a 1:08.2xx in the M6 and the settings are embarrassing. Completely meme. Still need another half second somehow. Maybe need the front end pointed tothe sky. Probably will work great.
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Yeah I’m with you. I tuned my car to get into 1:09 (WRX). I still need work on it. I maxed out my downforce front and back, minimized my front ride height and maxed my rear height. Also changed my gears. My car feels stable but I need it to be faster.

Is there any other method out there?
 
Stoobert
I have a feeling this may be a GT7 thing. I wonder if they are taking the setups used for this race and running them through their PP system in GT7 (where their AI will simulate laptimes and assign PP based on that). I wouldn't be surprised if there is a tuning series coming to try and satiate those more hardcore players and having an open lobby with PP limitations only being a thing.
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I think you could be right. If tuning is supposed to be such a big part of GT7 there's bound to be a LOT more.tuning races in that. We have to get used to it I think
 
Trone_Colby
Yeah I’m with you. I tuned my car to get into 1:09 (WRX). I still need work on it. I maxed out my downforce front and back, minimized my front ride height and maxed my rear height. Also changed my gears. My car feels stable but I need it to be faster.

Is there any other method out there?
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Same, and I was still getting dusted by the fast tunes. So I just concentrate on T2 when tuning. Play with Toe (front and rear) and rear downforce until you are holding pace in T2. I am catching many top 10 in turn 2. Then lose about a second in the middle of the track. Lock in your best tune by labeling its time in sheet one. Make 6 Copies, label 1 - 6 and do something whack in each sheet on toe only. You'll be surprised what works. Once you get your best toe, do the same with down force. You'll know after 3 laps what is best. When I hit it, I was shedding time. Then that becomes sheet 1. Sheets 2-6 I screw with one other variable (dampening for example). You have to limit variables or u wont know what works.
 

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