2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

[Yard_Sale]

I also foresee a tuning series (or more tuning events at the very least) for GT7.

….Hopefully


I however, see PD really streamlining the tuning menus to make them more user friendly and “accessible” and understandable to the masses.

I’m willing to bet my virtual paycheck, that PD will be looking at the analytics to see how much the top drivers are ‘really’ tuning their cars…. And exactly what they’re tuning. Then they’ll use that data to formulate a “tuning menu” that will be usable in sport mode. Sure….the whole tuning menu will be there for private lobbies and individual joyriding in TT’s. But they’ll lock out a lot of the super-intricate settings for mass-consumption in sport mode


Word…

 

[D_Dragline]

Because I hate admitting defeat, I spent 5:30p to 10:30p tuning with 3 other people. 20 man hours. Im down to a 1:08.2xx in the M6 and the settings are embarrassing. Completely meme. Still need another half second somehow. Maybe need the front end pointed tothe sky. Probably will work great.

Similar attitude for me. I think I have now eked out the best I can from the Porsche. I have a 1:08.531 (currently 26 in Asia), I could probably theoretically beat that, but it gets too unstable to be consistently fast. The good news is, I seem to be able to get about 14 laps out of the softs without the times falling off a cliff. I feel like I should at least be competitive at my level now.

 

[Seth_Logan]

Same, and I was still getting dusted by the fast tunes. So I just concentrate on T2 when tuning. Play with Toe (front and rear) and rear downforce until you are holding pace in T2. I am catching many top 10 in turn 2. Then lose about a second in the middle of the track. Lock in your best tune by labeling its time in sheet one. Make 6 Copies, label 1 - 6 and do something whack in each sheet on toe only. You'll be surprised what works. Once you get your best toe, do the same with down force. You'll know after 3 laps what is best. When I hit it, I was shedding time. Then that becomes sheet 1. Sheets 2-6 I screw with one other variable (dampening for example). You have to limit variables or u wont know what works.

I already have a job with numbers, thank you very much. But... I am impressed by the workload you are willing to put in. My hat's off to you sir!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Lord this tuning stuff sounds utterly tedious, bless you all for your efforts, I will roll up in the stock Chevy, stick the elbows out and see what happens 😎

I suspect that in DR B, att least under 20k, most people won't even know tuning is allowed.
The majority doesn't read the race details.

 

[Seth_Logan]

I suspect that in DR B, att least under 20k, most people won't even know tuning is allowed.
The majority doesn't read the race details.

Funiest thing about that is you don't even have to read it... it's in iconografie right next to tyre wear and fuel. Just gotta skim the page, is all. I think most people do read but won't bother or don't see/feel a need to change setup.

The people that don't read the rules are the ones that (still) get the 1 min. penalty for not changing tyres. And that is a downward trend I believe.

My two cents: I'm very happy with the tuning for my McLaren GR3. By now I'm convinced it was driving like a turd because of PD standard setup. I can now actually drive the thing an concentrate on - you know - doing well. Same goes for Megane R.S.01. Took it out for a spin as well and with just minor adjustments you can actually enjoy that one too. Got IT down to a 1:10.2xx and didn't spin for a whole of 16 practice laps. Ain't life amazing sometimes!

 

[sturk0167]

Yeah I’m with you. I tuned my car to get into 1:09 (WRX). I still need work on it. I maxed out my downforce front and back, minimized my front ride height and maxed my rear height. Also changed my gears. My car feels stable but I need it to be faster.

Is there any other method out there?

I've got the day off tomorrow, and I'll start with working out a WRX tune. If I can get it under 1:09, I'll let you know. 👍

 

[Yard_Sale]

Funiest thing about that is you don't even have to read it... it's in iconografie right next to tyre wear and fuel. Just gotta skim the page, is all. I think most people do read but won't bother or don't see/feel a need to change setup.

The people that don't read the rules are the ones that (still) get the 1 min. penalty for not changing tyres. And that is a downward trend I believe.

My two cents: I'm very happy with the tuning for my McLaren GR3. By now I'm convinced it was driving like a turd because of PD standard setup. I can now actually drive the thing an concentrate on - you know - doing well. Same goes for Megane R.S.01. Took it out for a spin as well and with just minor adjustments you can actually enjoy that one too. Got IT down to a 1:10.2xx and didn't spin for a whole of 16 practice laps. Ain't life amazing sometimes!

What settings did you adjust on the Renault, as it’s handling characteristics are pretty similar to the 458

 

[Geauxgreddy]

I was hand calculating my gears because the tuning page calc excel sheet was behind a pay wall or I suck at the internets (get off my lawn!). Either way, I decided to make an excel sheet for my FIA friends. That's you, 8D

Share with your friends...or dont. Let me know if I fudged a number, but I think it's on point. Unlike the German version, this is in English and provides a more optimized gear spread based on # of gears as long as there are 5 or more.

Google Docs - Excel
Geauxgreddy Great Gearbox Calculator

Let me know if the link doesn't work, old men struggle with this cloud stuff. You may have to save it to edit, no clue. Works for me. HA

 

[Seth_Logan]

What settings did you adjust on the Renault, as it’s handling characteristics are pretty similar to the 458

Front height 50 rear 90
Downforce 400 & 800
The second diff is something you need to tweak to find the right balance for you.

 

[tankuroded]

Any ideas/tunes for the WRX Gr.3 for the next tuning permitted race?

 

[FA_Hayes]

Skipping the tuning events due to time constraints and further adventures in the ergonomic study of my rig. Changing things, a new track, and let alone tuning is way too much to be competitive by Saturday but the changes are going better than expected.

After briefly being in the top 10 and maintaining top 20 for the the last round I've really been putting thought into my brake pedal because we all know that's where the time is. I've truly never been that happy with my setup and have been making subtle changes for months.

Today I decided to drop my seat down in the chassis in a search to push out more with my foot instead of down. My thought of providing better fine control and limiting some travel might help me pick up .1 to .2 per corner and in my mind make me much more competitive on the level I wish to be.

Well. It seems I'm on the right track. Decided to load up the last track since it's still fresh and the results were immediate. Enough so it changed the game for me and I need to rethink how I drive. Earlier in the day anything deep 53's was a struggle. First lap out. 52.7... wtf!

Couldn't believe it and took a break. Last session went just as good. With no ego some of the best I've driven and it felt like it wasn't me. Lol. Let's hope I can keep the pattern up and calm my nerves!

Damnit... Somewhat embarrassing edit. I forgot to turn on BOP after my break so I deleted the session pic. The 52.7 was valid BOP on but man, I was white knuckled at that pace and don't think I can consistently hold that pace.

 

[D_Dragline]

In FIA races, do you get to change your tuning between qualifying and race?

 

[Stoobert]

In FIA races, do you get to change your tuning between qualifying and race?

I was wondering this myself and I am going to assume "no" because if you have clicked "go to track" the car settings are locked until you withdraw from the session, and in order to change tyres you have to do it under the driving menu, not the car settings.

If you can change your tyres under the car settings menu between quali and race, it may be possible to load other sheets, but I am not counting on that in race 1 at least. I'll check so if I go again I hve a definitive answer. But yeah, I have a setup that will be sketchy as all hell for the race, but will be faster in qualy so I know why you want to know this.

 

[D_Dragline]

I was wondering this myself and I am going to assume "no" because if you have clicked "go to track" the car settings are locked until you withdraw from the session, and in order to change tyres you have to do it under the driving menu, not the car settings.

If you can change your tyres under the car settings menu between quali and race, it may be possible to load other sheets, but I am not counting on that in race 1 at least. I'll check so if I go again I hve a definitive answer. But yeah, I have a setup that will be sketchy as all hell for the race, but will be faster in qualy so I know why you want to know this.

Yeah, I’m about 0.3 faster with reduced rear downforce, but it wears the tyres faster and gets VERY hairy once the tyres get slippery. I’m hoping I can differentiate qualifying and race setups.

 

[stpatty]

Got the wheel out and set up and put GT Sport on to discover Le Mans isn't until next week. Whoops.

 

[OJBrit]

Got the wheel out and set up and put GT Sport on to discover Le Mans isn't until next week. Whoops.

I was gearing up for it today too. Thanks for the heads up, did not realise it was an off week. I guess I can dedicate tonight to some setup testing for Saturday.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

in order to change tyres you have to do it under the driving menu

Change front wheel tyres first and it's possible.
So changing sheets should be possible too.

 

[NekoPufferPPP]

It's true, putting an extreme rake angle on your car gives you better cornering speed. I got this time with this tune with the AMG. 0,659s off the top time. That's 0,467s off with my optimal sector times. I can't keep up with the BMW in T2, maybe a little bit of further tinkering could get it there. It feels on the verge of losing rear grip even at such high speed. Finding the right balance between rear downforce and mechanical grip to keep the rear in line without understeering or oversteering is proving difficult...

Word of warning - it's extremely tail-happy, be very careful with throttle application at low speeds. This also means the rear tires might suffer more wear, and losing any amount of grip in them could have catastrophic results, so you might wanna use a more stable tune in the race. Save two tunes so you can swap quickly between quali/race if you choose to do so.

 

[D_Dragline]

Yeah I’m with you. I tuned my car to get into 1:09 (WRX). I still need work on it. I maxed out my downforce front and back, minimized my front ride height and maxed my rear height. Also changed my gears. My car feels stable but I need it to be faster.

Is there any other method out there?

I've got the day off tomorrow, and I'll start with working out a WRX tune. If I can get it under 1:09, I'll let you know. 👍

Any ideas/tunes for the WRX Gr.3 for the next tuning permitted race?

I'm with Subie on my alt. I played around a bit this morning and have got it down to a 1.08.538

The key variables; Front ride height min, rear max. Max front downforce, then set rear downforce as low as possible while still able to maintain control. Optimise gear ratios. Any other tweaks are very small compared to these.

When it comes to driving, with this setup the rear is very light so you need to try and keep power through the rear wheels as much as possible to aid stability. For example I barely brake for turn 1 and make sure I have some throttle on well before apex, otherwise the rear will swing around.

Warning though, this setup is making use of A LOT of controlled oversteer. It will be very sketchy in-race.

If anyone wants exact settings DM me and I can provide once back in front of PS4.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Who wants to be a dear and give me a tune for the supra

 

[TheWeapon874]

I'm finding this really interesting / frustrating! At first, I didn't realise tuning races were a thing, until I watched one of the top Hyundai laps and see them take turn 2 about 20kph faster than I could!! After some tweaking I went from a high 2.10 to a mid 2.08, but still almost 2 sec off the fastest Hyundai....I feel like there's more time to be found, particularly in turn 2, where I'm still around 5kph slower.... but I feel if I push for more front grip, the thing will be a disaster to manage turn 3....especially on used tyres....

If any other Hyundai drivers want to share tuning info, feel free to hit me up!

 

[Tigerhawk87]

You wouldn't think it by the amount of time I've put into practice, but I'm not a fan of this round. It feels more like trying to stumble across the right answer rather than honing in on the most suitable tune. I've like to get the Jag down to below 1:09 but it's a struggle. Adding to this is the arrival of my DD Pro! Very much ahead of when I thought it'd arrive and will no doubt take some getting used to.

 

[SweatyC]

Well worth an attempt if you can get hold of a decent enough tune.

Qualified 3rd but decided to use a slightly safer tune with more downforce for the race as I felt staying on the black stuff is more important than getting fastest laps possible. Was a good decision as i did get passed by 2 cars and fell back to 5th but a bit later 2 cars in front binned it so ended up back where I started.

Looked like 3 sets of drivers. Those with a good tune, those who probably tweaked something and then those that just used stock. The time gaps at the end were crazy. I was 11 seconds behind 2nd and 5 ahead of 4th with rest of field 10 secs and more behind them.

Was in with @housej who sadly looked to have a massive disaster. Sorry mate!

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Used Praiano's tune for the 911 RSR (tested all 3 - the Nurburgring one works best for me). Just tweaked the final drive to get 280 km/h top speed. A couple people must have gotten blocked in quali, because out of nowhere I got 4th (normally I'm near the back in Manu) But by the end of lap 2 I was in 7th. Had no answer for the pace of the guys in front. Did 12S/8M and was under immense pressure from an NSX behind the whole race, as he was within 1 second the whole way. One slight mistake and he gets slipstream and it's game over Thankfully managed to hold on to the end, thanks to some well timed interference from lapped cars.

Honestly I much prefer the level playing field of no tuning, but I'll happily take the advantage in this case because the racing standard has been absolute **** this season and I've lost god knows how many points/DR thanks to dirty drivers.

La Sarthe next, how does the leaderboard look like in other regions? Pug 908 reigns supreme here, with a few Sauber C9 and 787B sprinkled in. Surprised not seeing the hybrids anywhere because they are usually quite viable in the chicaned version.

 

[Raptor013]

Tonight was a fun race. The GT-R felt like it was on rails with a proper set-up on the car. Qualified P2 half a second ahead of P3. Although the pole winner was 1.4 seconds quicker.

Knowing this was always going to be a race for 2nd place given the speed difference between the pole sitter and myself it was simply a matter of keeping it clean and not making any mistakes.

Managed to do just that and I'll happily walk away with the 151 points for the night.

On a side note only the top 5 finished on the lead lap and even I managed to lap just over half the field.

 

[D_Dragline]

Ran slot 3 in Asia. In with @ShiftingGears and a couple of other friendlies. Qualy was disappointing as I got run off at turn 2 on my best lap. Kept catching the cars in front.

Q7 and drove pretty well to be p6 right on the tail of p4 and 5 into the last lap. The tail got away from me on turn 2 and I lost a few tenths so was settling for 6th. But then got into a slide on the final turn and lost it. Managed to limp over the line in P8. Such a frustrating finish as a I had the pace to podium. Think I will go again in slot 4.

 

[ShiftingGears]

First race got sideways then got spun out, second race i dropped it lap 1 on final corner then got DSQ because I spun too long trying to exit the gravel. Finished 10th in third slot after making an error lap 1, just couldnt get the Supra quick enough.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Used @praiano63 tune for the FT1 and it seems fine. I would maybe like some changes, but I'm just glad someone good got me close to an ideal set up so thanks
OZ as usual has a weird grid, 2 As, 7 Ds and us 10 Bs no Cs in the 19. Hang back and surprisingly get 2 good clean laps, 3rd mucked up by back markers but I'm 0.8 up and an easy pole. Got an A behind me and he's being annoying and I don't want to fight so I make it easy for him then chase. He goes off on lap 4 at the last corner and I feel good with my 4 sec lead I just have to stay on the track. Lap 10 I'm thinking of maybe trying 1 more lap but I come off on corner 4 Balcony losing 4 sec so I scramble into the pits just 3 secs up. I notice a guy has been close and is going onto soft, but after everyone has stopped he's in 4th. I'm staying 4 secs in front and feeling safe (although worried about binning it) then on lap 16 I see that softy is in 2nd. I manage to keep the 4 sec lead till the end of 18 when it's obvious he trys pushing, he makes a second on me then makes a mistake (then I think he had an issue with another driver) so 2 to go and 6 secs lead, I drive like a pussy for 2 laps and take the win. Good race glad I did it and I might set up a Euro car.

 

[D_Dragline]

Slot 4, q5 and then went to change tyres and realized I’d qualified on mediums…

Was then running p4 with the front 3 all starting on softs and I’m on meds.

By the time I hit lap 11 I’m P2 and looking good to challenge for the win. Intend to pit at the end of lap 11 but get tyres in the sand and spear right across the track. Get reset on the SF straight and have to do another lap on meds and drop about 15 seconds. Rejoin in p10.

The rest of the race goes fine and I work my way back to p7 but it’s the combo that got away.

159 points but should have been 200+

 

[NekoPufferPPP]

I could try again but I think I'll lock in 5th place... 255 points in the AMG. I used a more stable tune for the race, but even so, keeping the car straight is too stressful, with the added risk of a random muppet making you touch the gravel...at which point it's game over.

Managed to quali 3rd. All in all a solid run, but not without its flaws.