2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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How does any Republican botch the answer to the Civil War? Lincoln was a Republican, freed the slaves, and saved America. The answer writes itself while painting the Democrats as the evil party that wanted to keep slaves.
I mean they're also doing that.

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Is it weird that conservatives insist that the Democrats (who were conservatives) were fighting to keep slaves at the very same time that they insist that conservatives (who were Democrats) were fighting for "states' rights"? I think it's weird. Also the Confederate flag is definitely a symbol of Southern heritage, right?
 
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Haley apologists seem to be referring to Lincoln's "if I could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave I would" quote to argue that the war wasn't about slavery but preserving the union.

Narrator: "But he couldn't preserve the union without freeing slaves, because the south went to war over slavery".
 
Not another birther conspiracy...

I wonder how Washington qualified?
 
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I had to go look this up because I can't fathom how somebody could not understand what three very basic English-language words mean when read in a particular order. "Natural born citizen".

I suppose somebody could make it through college and to adulthood without really grasping that, particularly if they were home schooled. I mean, I meet grown adults all the time who seem functionally retarded and it sorta blows my mind how they haven't starved to death or been hit by a car due to sheer lack of awareness of space and time. Reading the words "natural born citizen" and not being able to decipher what that means is actually pretty low on the ladder of idiocy that I've witnessed.
 
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lol. lmao.
Modern American conservatism is mental illness.
Very poorly written opinion. Most scholars seem to agree that the term “naturally born citizen” is vague (including pretty much every source referenced in the opinion). It definitely does not “absolutely prohibit” Nikki Haley from being president, but it might, depending on how the Supreme Court choose to interpret it.

The interpretation the Supreme Court chose in US vs Wong Kim Ark would definitely allow her (and Kamala Harris) to be president.

 
Very poorly written opinion. Most scholars seem to agree that the term “naturally born citizen” is vague (including pretty much every source referenced in the opinion). It definitely does not “absolutely prohibit” Nikki Haley from being president, but it might, depending on how the Supreme Court choose to interpret it.

The interpretation the Supreme Court chose in US vs Wong Kim Ark would definitely allow her (and Kamala Harris) to be president.

"Wong Kim Ark was incorrectly decided."
 
Very poorly written opinion. Most scholars seem to agree that the term “naturally born citizen” is vague (including pretty much every source referenced in the opinion). It definitely does not “absolutely prohibit” Nikki Haley from being president, but it might, depending on how the Supreme Court choose to interpret it.

The interpretation the Supreme Court chose in US vs Wong Kim Ark would definitely allow her (and Kamala Harris) to be president.

There you go. It's not vague because it's been decided.

They could undecide it, but this Supreme Court has already gone too far down the sewer of undeciding things. Not only would it hurt the Republican party in this case but it would also piss off everybody.
 
If you're going to literally stack the deck, why wouldn't you remove the Jokers first?
 
I love how she admits she's on Fox News, so she has to spin it to not mean what it obviously means.
 
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If you're going to literally stack the deck, why wouldn't you remove the Jokers first?
This is like creating a wheel of fortune and putting in bankrupt spaces for you to land on.
 
So the Trump camp has petitioned SCOTUS for consideration in re the Colorado Supreme Court denying Republican primary access in the state for insurrection under the Fourteenth Amendment...

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...and this is exactly the sort of farcical argument one makes when one doesn't view the judiciary or proceedings before which seriously and expects preferential consideration by a bought, beholden, activist majority:

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"No but it says insurrectionists can't hold office, not that insurrectionists can't run for or be elected to office."
 
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They really seem to have zero shame or self awareness but I suppose that comes with the narcissistic territory.
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In a statement, the Trump campaign accused the Colorado Supreme Court and President Joe Biden, a Democrat, of "doing all they can to disenfranchise all American voters by attempting to remove President Trump".

"This is an un-American, unconstitutional act of election interference which cannot stand," campaign spokesman Steven Cheung added.
 
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"No but it says insurrectionists can't hold office, not that insurrectionists can't run for or be elected to office."
And this is where they're not even pretending that this is for the good of the nation or the American people. Even if this wasn't complete twaddle and such an insurrectionist were elected, there's a very good chance that two-thirds of Congress declines to do anything about it.

And then what? No president for four years? It goes to the other guy? Both of which would be a massive miscarriage of democracy.

It's sensible to anyone with half a brain that someone who is not qualified to hold an office should not be allowed to run for that office. Doing so only serves to mess up the process and obstruct people who are legitimately qualified and able. In this case, an actual electable Republican candidate that would be able to serve Republican voters. But no, instead lets quibble about the exact wording as if that's ever going to get you anywhere at this level of politics.

This **** should probably count as some sort of election interference on it's own. It'd be one thing if there was a good faith argument being made, but this is "you said don't touch you and I'm not touching you" levels of logic. I assume it exists purely for the purpose of dragging out the drama and milking more contributions to the legal fund from people who don't know any better.
 
Sounds like the deadline for the Supreme Court to consider the Colorado decision is end of day tomorrow Jan 5.
 
Or like any president up until Martin Van Buren
Who, coincidentally, is the only POTUS who didn't have English as his first language.

I think it's quite nice that the first President born a US citizen came from a different, non-English background. Champion that as part of your national, historical melting pot.
 
I wonder what the legality is surrounding a defendant's lawyer calling in a favour from SCOTUS on live tv. Quid pro quo?
 
"Heads you lose, tails I win—by lawlessness, fraud, and violence if necessary—is not a stance compatible with peaceful political competition in an electoral democracy. You can’t have a free election when one side is allowed to use anti-democratic means with impunity. There can’t be a fair election when those following the law and respecting the rules are forced to compete with those who don’t."

Many say that voters should decide. It would seem that they forget voters did decide and a large swathe of Republicans, legislators and voters alike, reject that decision wholesale and that rejection manifested in direct efforts to subvert the will of the majority. It would seem that they forget, but the reality is that they want others to.
 
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