2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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While I can't see a bunch of blue states kicking Trump off the ballot having an impact on the GE...it could absolutely prevent Trump from getting there in the first place. Just Co, Ny, and Ca represent 302 delegates. You need 1235 to win, so that's a sizeable chunk. Unless I'm not understanding something.
 
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Colorado Supreme Court rules on Trump 14th Amendment case

The Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state's 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn't an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment's "insurrectionist ban."
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It's about damn time.
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Colorado Supreme Court rules on Trump 14th Amendment case

The Colorado Supreme Court removed former President Donald Trump from the state's 2024 ballot, ruling that he isn't an eligible presidential candidate because of the 14th Amendment's "insurrectionist ban."
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It's about damn time.
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Hopefully this is the first step in getting rid of Trump, and make the world a better place. (I wanted to use great again, but nah, world isn't great atm.)
 
What are the chances of a Republican-stacked federal supreme court overruling this?
 
Liquid
What are the chances of a Republican-stacked federal supreme court overruling this?
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I'd say it is decent odds. I wouldn't say it is a sure thing though. Trump could end up in trouble if he threatens violence towards those who don't overrule him.
 
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What are the chances of a Republican-stacked federal supreme court overruling this?
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Seems like it could go a number of ways. I was just trying to figure this out last night. It's probably 3 to 2 on removing trump from the ballot. The 3 liberal justices (sotomayor, kagen, jackson) vs the 2 most hard right wingers (Thomas, who should recuse himself from this but won't, and Alito). The irony of not paying attention to states rights here is not lost on me. That leaves 4 more justices in between.

ACB, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Roberts.

I think ACB is likely too hard right for this. So it's really a question of whether 2 of the remaining 3 side against Trump (ie: FOR the constitution). Roberts seems like he might go the correct way. Which means one of Kav and Gorsuch would need to actually care about the constitution. Not a slam dunk either way in my mind.

I'll rank the outcomes I see in terms of best to worst.

1) 14th amendment applies and Trump is guilty of insurrection.
2) Split majority that doesn't agree on anything except that Trump is ineligible.
3) No cert granted. (I can see an argument that this is actually the worst because it is the most likely to result in civil war)
4) Split majority that doesn't agree on anything except that Trump is eligible.
5) 14th amendment applies and Trump is not guilty of insurrection.
6) 14th amendment does not apply

Number 5 might offer a chance to come back if Trump is found guilty in Georgia. For the record, the lower court in colorado decided the answer was number 6.
 
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Texas Lt. Guv Threatens to Take Biden Off State’s Ballot After Colorado Ruling

‘Maybe we should take Joe Biden off the ballot in Texas for allowing 8 million people to cross the border,’ Patrick told Fox News.
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Texas Lt. Governor argues that because illegal immigration is a thing, Biden should be taken off the ballot in Texas. This is what happens when morons are in office. Colorado actually has a constitutional argument, Texas moron is just clogging airtime with his stupidity.

Trump should be taken off the ballot in Texas because the US constitution is a thing.
 
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Texas Lt. Guv Threatens to Take Biden Off State’s Ballot After Colorado Ruling

‘Maybe we should take Joe Biden off the ballot in Texas for allowing 8 million people to cross the border,’ Patrick told Fox News.
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Texas Lt. Governor argues that because illegal immigration is a thing, Biden should be taken off the ballot in Texas. This is what happens when morons are in office. Colorado actually has a constitutional argument, Texas moron is just clogging airtime with his stupidity.

Trump should be taken off the ballot in Texas because the US constitution is a thing.
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I can even argue that this argument is apples vs key lime pie, as Trump is only being removed from the primary ballot and not (yet) the presidential election ballot. The Republicans can choose to avoid this issue by not selecting Trump due to a variety of reasons (which they won't do). While Biden is also in primaries, there is an even lower chance he's not going to be the nominee so while the action would be the same, in practicality, one removes the party, while the other removes an individual.
 
Danoff
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Texas Lt. Guv Threatens to Take Biden Off State’s Ballot After Colorado Ruling

‘Maybe we should take Joe Biden off the ballot in Texas for allowing 8 million people to cross the border,’ Patrick told Fox News.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com

Texas Lt. Governor argues that because illegal immigration is a thing, Biden should be taken off the ballot in Texas. This is what happens when morons are in office. Colorado actually has a constitutional argument, Texas moron is just clogging airtime with his stupidity.

Trump should be taken off the ballot in Texas because the US constitution is a thing.
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“Seeing what happened in Colorado makes me think—except we believe in democracy in Texas—maybe we should take Joe Biden off the ballot in Texas for allowing eight million people to cross the border since he’s been president disrupting our state,” Patrick said.

Patrick, you lying sack of feces. If that was true, he'd stop using his religious beliefs to keep issues from being presented to be voted on. He needs to be removed from his next ballot.
 
Listen to Nikki Haley’s cringe-filled answer to the question “What was the cause of the Civil War” and remember she’s considered the sane GOP candidate.
 
Some additional follow up this, because it's just so incredibly dumb

Nikki Haley on Thursday sought to clarify her comments about the Civil War one day after a voter in New Hampshire called her out for not mentioning slavery as a cause of the war.

“I mean, of course the Civil War was about slavery,” Haley told radio host Jack Heath Thursday morning.

“But what’s the lesson in all of that?” she continued. “That we need to make sure that every person has freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to do and be anything they want to be without anyone or government getting in the way. That was the goal of what that was at. Yes, I know it was about slavery. I’m from the South, of course I know it’s about slavery.”


Her comments come amid intense backlash inside and outside the GOP after Haley told a New Hampshire town hall crowd that the Civil War was about government interfering in people’s freedoms.

“I mean, I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run. The freedoms and what people could and couldn’t do,” Haley had said Wednesday in a visit to Berlin — the first of five events in the Granite State as she attempts to close the gap with Republican front-runner Donald Trump ahead of next month’s primary.
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That's the lesson, Nikki? Who's freedom, Nikki? I've heard some creative arguments for the cause of the Civil War, but this one feels like she momentarily blacked out and her reset startup mode was "say conservative words". Now, we are ****ed.
 
Reminding me of @Danoff's post about re-educating himself about the civil war which I found personally insightful, Haley has clearly never heard of the cornerstone speech.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
The most "gotcha" question of all time. Sorry Nikki, this was an unforced error.

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Yeap, that question has an answer. It's got a lot of answers to be fair but none of the other ones are the right one.
 
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Haley apologists seem to be referring to Lincoln's "if I could preserve the Union without freeing a single slave I would" quote to argue that the war wasn't about slavery but preserving the union. Perhaps a question which might've avoided this sophistry would've been "Why did the South secede?", since (alongside the cornerstone speech I brought up earlier) the Confederate constitution mandated slavery.
 
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McLaren
It’s always a “setup” with Republicans now.

Just waiting for, “I wasn’t caught having sex with a man! It was a plant to make me look gay!”
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No but see those are good conservatives. Family values.
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Republican Says ‘Good Conservative’ Congressmen Are Being Blackmailed Just Because They Got Naked With Strangers in Motel Rooms

Burchett claimed that many “good conservatives” and other members of Congress are being entrapped and then blackmailed to vote certain ways.
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Maine’s Secretary of State has booted Trump from the ballot.

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Maine secretary of state bars Trump from ballot

Maine’s Democratic secretary of state on Thursday removed former President Donald Trump from the state’s presidential primary ballot under the Constitution’s insurrection clause, becoming the first election official to take action unilaterally as the...
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"The civil war was about states' rights."
"States' rights to do what?"

Done.
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It's actually funny because the Confederate Constitution explicitly prohibits member states passing any law, ex post facto law or bill of attainder depriving individuals of the legal right to own slaves. The preamble suggests autonomy of member states but enumeration of specific rights supercedes.
 
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Me, to ChatGPT:
Imagine you are running for nomination for the Republican candidate for the US presidency. You are in front of a crowd at a "town hall meeting". A member of the audience asks you "What was the cause of the United States Civil War?". How should you respond?



ChatGPT 4:
In responding to a question about the cause of the United States Civil War during a town hall meeting as a Republican candidate for the US presidency, it would be important to address the issue with accuracy, sensitivity, and an understanding of its complexity. Here's how you might structure your response:
  1. Acknowledge the Complexity: Begin by acknowledging that the Civil War was a complex event with many causes, including economic, political, and social factors. You might say, "The Civil War was a tragic and complex part of our history, driven by numerous factors that we must understand deeply."
  2. State the Primary Cause: Historians widely agree that the central issue leading to the Civil War was slavery and its expansion into the newly acquired territories after the Mexican War. You could state, "At the heart of these tensions was the moral, economic, and legal question of slavery, particularly its expansion into new territories."
  3. Discuss the Economic and Political Factors: Mention that there were also significant economic differences between the industrializing North and the agrarian South, as well as political disputes over states' rights and federal authority. "The war was also fueled by economic disparities between the North and South and debates over states' rights versus federal authority."
  4. Emphasize the Importance of Unity and Learning from History: Conclude by reflecting on the importance of unity and the lessons learned from the Civil War. Stress the idea that understanding this history is crucial to addressing current issues and moving forward as a nation. You might say, "Today, it's vital that we remember these lessons of history to unite our country and work together for a better future for all Americans."
  5. Avoid Glorifying or Oversimplifying: Stay clear of glorifying the Confederacy or oversimplifying the causes as merely states' rights or economic differences. Acknowledge the human cost and the long-lasting impact of the war on American society.
By addressing the question this way, you'd be providing a thoughtful, informed response that recognizes the importance of historical accuracy while also connecting it to the values and concerns of the present day. This approach can demonstrate leadership, empathy, and a commitment to unity.
 
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How does any Republican botch the answer to the Civil War? Lincoln was a Republican, freed the slaves, and saved America. The answer writes itself while painting the Democrats as the evil party that wanted to keep slaves.
 

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