2024 US Presidential Election Thread

[Fezzik]

So do I have the Trump/Maga thinking right?

Ukraine - Bad! No more money for foreign wars.
Israel - Friend! All the money and guns you want.

 

[Meythia]

So do I have the Trump/Maga thinking right?

Ukraine - Bad! No more money for foreign wars.
Israel - Friend! All the money and guns you want.

I think it is:

Ukraine - my best buddy doesnt like them, he says they stole something. So because he asked me, I will not sell them anything anymore
Isreal - one of my other best buddy playgrounds, of course I will hand them every toy they want.

 

[Danoff]

So do I have the Trump/Maga thinking right?

Ukraine - Bad! No more money for foreign wars.
Israel - Friend! All the money and guns you want.

Ukraine - "I like Putin because Trump likes Putin"
Israel - "I don't like brown people"

Money and war is not really part of the thinking. That's just the public excuse.

 

[Danoff]

I just think as democratic voters (as you and I seem to be despite having opposing views on most issues), it would be irresponsible to not focus on what the Democratic party ought to change and how. Deflecting back to WHAT ABOUT THE GOP is pointless.

It's not a deflection, it's a response.

The response is that voters are not moved in the way that you think, and Trump's rambling insanity is an example of this. And it is true that voters in one bloc are not moved in the same way as voters in another. But fundamentally the idea that Harris needed to tweak a message is wrong. Voters need to learn. It's not a matter of political parties getting better at manipulating, or messaging, it's a matter of voters learning.

The problem cannot always be with leadership. I know that it's easier to point fingers and blame leadership, if only our leaders had... no. If only WE had.

If you looked at the campaign Harris ran and the campaign Trump ran and thought that the problem was with the campaign Harris ran, you weren't looking. At some point the failure of voters is so blatantly obvious that we are forced to reckon with it. This was a failure of the American people.

Let them hang themselves doing unpopular things as the Democrats can clean out their own damn house. It doesn't matter if you think Harris ran a flawless campaign or if 2024 will effectively be the last free and fair election. We have to act like the above weren't the case. To be blackpilled and say post-hoc that the Democrat would have lost anyway no matter what is just irresponsible and only facilitates the party to be encouraged to cling onto poor strategies.

The strategies weren't poor. The people were.

We, as a voting entity, failed our leadership, not the other way around. We, as a voting entity, ****** around and will find out.

I could go in to all the reasons why Americans made the wrong choice, but one of the many many reasons that they made the wrong choice is that voters on the left expect their leaders to be perfect, and align with their political desires perfectly, and if they don't, they will withhold support until that becomes the case. In refusing to compromise, they lose their only voice. This is somewhat characteristic of the left as a group, who tend to protest and argue and demand. Meanwhile, the voters on the right rallied behind the most insane choice - even for them. Christians rallying behind Trump to enact religious moral laws in the US? It's insane, but it worked. They compromised on literally everything about their leader, and look where it got them. This was not a strength of Trump, it was conviction of the voting group. It got them what they wanted, though they still do not understand why they shouldn't have wanted it. They will learn too.

The left must learn a critical lesson in all of this. Divided they fall.

That's one of just a thousand ways that the American people failed. They failed because they valued money above all else. They failed because they valued individuality over team. They failed because they don't understand how to even be a team or motivate. They failed because they don't understand leadership. The number of ways that the people failed is many, and it is cultural, and it has been brewing for a long time.

What was made abundantly clear during this election - this country has lost its way, abandoned its principles, sacrificed its character.

 

[Meythia]

Meanwhile, the voters on the right rallied behind the most insane choice - even for them.

That is going to repeat whenever there is a rightwing choice, because this is how rightwing voters mindset ticks.
Can take a look around the globe and it happens pretty much everywhere, just with a few spots of resistance.

 

[Scaff]

Dr. Oz and RFK Jr. running health for the US, what a messed up combo, America you are truely doomed.

Trump Nominates Dr. Oz To Lead Centers For Medicare And Medicaid Services

Dr. Mehmet Oz, who has hosted a long-running television talk show, unsuccessfully ran for Senate in 2022.

www.huffpost.com

 

[TB]

He really is looking at the list of possible candidates for his cabinet and picking the dead last guy, isn't he?

 

[Imari]

Fat chance of that happening; Trump just signaled Benny isn't getting enough weapons to level Gaza.

Trump said to lift all military restrictions on Israel on 1st day in office according to reports

President-elect Donald Trump’s promise could lead to a 60-day cease-fire, allowing Israel to suspend hostilities until military support resumes under the new administration.

www.yahoo.com

I mean, Trump did say he was going to end the conflicts. Can't have a war if there's no one left to be at war with.

Maybe they could just speed up the process. Make it more efficient. Instead of all this faffing around with bombs and snipers and slowly invading, perhaps they could just put the Palestinians in camps and deal with them from there. That would be a solution that would really finalise the whole thing.

 

[TheCracker]

It's not really that surprising that someone made famous by reality TV has picked a Celebrity Government for this season. As to be expected these 'celebrities' are the usual bottom-of-the-barrel candidates.

 

[McLaren]

Once again, Trump has no idea or ties to Project 2025, just "coincidentally" nominating yet another one of its authors into a political office.

President-elect Donald Trump is expected to name Russ Vought to lead the Office of Management and budget, according to two sources close to the transition.

Vought wrote a chapter of The Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 blueprint — his chapter covers the "Executive Office of the President."

Trump taps Russ Vought, one of the authors of Project 2025, to lead budget office again

If confirmed, this will be Russ Vought's second time as OMB director. He authored a chapter of Project 2025, a conservative blueprint for a GOP administration.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Jezza819]

Going be his first administration it will probably be a revolving door anyway of people going out and coming in and going back out. What did he go through, three or four hundred people last time? "(insert name here) Is the finest person out there for this position". Then a few weeks later, "(insert name here) was never on board, didn't do a good enough job" Or either they get tired of his ******** and they get the hell out themselves. What an embarrassment he is.

 

[McLaren]

Going be his first administration it will probably be a revolving door anyway of people going out and coming in and going back out. What did he go through, three or four hundred people last time? "(insert name here) Is the finest person out there for this position". Then a few weeks later, "(insert name here) was never on board, didn't do a good enough job" Or either they get tired of his ******** and they get the hell out themselves. What an embarrassment he is.

We'll see. His argument on Rogan was that he "didn't know anybody", so all those "fine people" were suggestions of others and this time, he knows who he wants.

He's still a colossal moron & if reports are to be even half-true, Elmo himself will be running people off.

 

[GranTurNismo]

It's not a deflection, it's a response.

The response is that voters are not moved in the way that you think, and Trump's rambling insanity is an example of this. And it is true that voters in one bloc are not moved in the same way as voters in another. But fundamentally the idea that Harris needed to tweak a message is wrong. Voters need to learn. It's not a matter of political parties getting better at manipulating, or messaging, it's a matter of voters learning.

The problem cannot always be with leadership. I know that it's easier to point fingers and blame leadership, if only our leaders had... no. If only WE had.

If you looked at the campaign Harris ran and the campaign Trump ran and thought that the problem was with the campaign Harris ran, you weren't looking. At some point the failure of voters is so blatantly obvious that we are forced to reckon with it. This was a failure of the American people.


The strategies weren't poor. The people were.

We, as a voting entity, failed our leadership, not the other way around. We, as a voting entity, ****** around and will find out.

I could go in to all the reasons why Americans made the wrong choice, but one of the many many reasons that they made the wrong choice is that voters on the left expect their leaders to be perfect, and align with their political desires perfectly, and if they don't, they will withhold support until that becomes the case. In refusing to compromise, they lose their only voice. This is somewhat characteristic of the left as a group, who tend to protest and argue and demand. Meanwhile, the voters on the right rallied behind the most insane choice - even for them. Christians rallying behind Trump to enact religious moral laws in the US? It's insane, but it worked. They compromised on literally everything about their leader, and look where it got them. This was not a strength of Trump, it was conviction of the voting group. It got them what they wanted, though they still do not understand why they shouldn't have wanted it. They will learn too.

The left must learn a critical lesson in all of this. Divided they fall.

That's one of just a thousand ways that the American people failed. They failed because they valued money above all else. They failed because they valued individuality over team. They failed because they don't understand how to even be a team or motivate. They failed because they don't understand leadership. The number of ways that the people failed is many, and it is cultural, and it has been brewing for a long time.

What was made abundantly clear during this election - this country has lost its way, abandoned its principles, sacrificed its character.

I don’t think we’re in any disagreement about how dangerous Donald Trump is and that he objectively ran a worse campaign than Harris. My critiques of how the Democratic Party handled the 2024 election from the very beginning is not me tacitly condoning or rationalizing Trump’s campaign and the GOP. So I wonder then, if there’s was really nothing the Dems could do to defeat Trump (given the above assumptions about voter behavior and the left’s inability to unify), and that running on a platform of protecting democracy should be virtuous enough in itself (which any Democrat would do), why didn’t the Dems just keep Biden? Why go through all of the trouble of getting Biden to step down and replacing whim with another candidate if they would lose regardless, especially with the constant negative media attention it fomented, all of the excess money burned, resources used to scramble together a campaign at the last minute, etc.

 

[Danoff]

I don’t think we’re in any disagreement about how dangerous Donald Trump is and that he objectively ran a worse campaign than Harris. My critiques of how the Democratic Party handled the 2024 election from the very beginning is not me tacitly condoning or rationalizing Trump’s campaign and the GOP. So I wonder then, if there’s was really nothing the Dems could do to defeat Trump (given the above assumptions about voter behavior and the left’s inability to unify), and that running on a platform of protecting democracy should be virtuous enough in itself (which any Democrat would do), why didn’t the Dems just keep Biden? Why go through all of the trouble of getting Biden to step down and replacing whim with another candidate if they would lose regardless, especially with the constant negative media attention it fomented, all of the excess money burned, resources used to scramble together a campaign at the last minute, etc.

...because they couldn't see the future?

Sure. If you knew Trump was going to win, just stick with Biden.

 

[Blitz24]

I don’t think we’re in any disagreement about how dangerous Donald Trump is and that he objectively ran a worse campaign than Harris. My critiques of how the Democratic Party handled the 2024 election from the very beginning is not me tacitly condoning or rationalizing Trump’s campaign and the GOP. So I wonder then, if there’s was really nothing the Dems could do to defeat Trump (given the above assumptions about voter behavior and the left’s inability to unify), and that running on a platform of protecting democracy should be virtuous enough in itself (which any Democrat would do), why didn’t the Dems just keep Biden? Why go through all of the trouble of getting Biden to step down and replacing whim with another candidate if they would lose regardless, especially with the constant negative media attention it fomented, all of the excess money burned, resources used to scramble together a campaign at the last minute, etc.

Because they panicked after the first debate and it became clear that Biden wasn't fit to run. They were screwed once Biden was shown as not all being there. Their only hope was for voters to understand what campaign Trump was running BEFORE he was elected. That didn't happen. The Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

 

[Danoff]

Their only hope was for voters to understand what campaign Trump was running BEFORE he was elected. That didn't happen.

I'm not sure what "before he was elected" is referring to here. But...

If only there was some way voters could possibly have known what kind of person Trump is. [/s]

 

[Touring Mars]

Matt Gaetz withdraws as Trump's nominee for attorney general

Matt Gaetz withdraws as Trump's nominee for attorney general

www.bbc.co.uk

Gaetz jumps before he is pushed

 

[Danoff]

Matt Gaetz withdraws as Trump's nominee for attorney general

Matt Gaetz withdraws as Trump's nominee for attorney general

www.bbc.co.uk

Gaetz jumps before he is pushed

Ultimately a mixed bag either way. He's right about it being a distraction, which is good. But he was also a scumbag, which was bad.

 

[Blitz24]

Hopefully the next pick isn't Ken Paxton, who would be on the same level of bad, but possibly worse.

 

[Danoff]

Hopefully the next pick isn't Ken Paxton, who would be on the same level of bad, but possibly worse.

I think you're in the right ballpark. Paxton has his own corruption issues and is a bootlicker and would be a very Trumpy pick.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

praying for Judge Judy.

 

[Danoff]

praying for Judge Judy.

Praying for him to get confused and nominate Mike Judge.

 

[Blitz24]

Praying for him to get confused and nominate Mike Judge.

Or Joe Judge. Or Aaron Judge. Or Arson Judge.

 

[Danoff]

I saw someone mention Rudy Giuliani and that would be absolutely perfect.

 

[Tornado]

How absolutely horrific must that ethics report be to withdraw your name from a seat on the Trump Administration

 

[Famine]

Praying for him to get confused and nominate Mike Judge.

He's so obsessed with fictional characters he'll nominate Judge Dredd.

 

[McLaren]

Matt Gaetz withdraws as Trump's nominee for attorney general

Matt Gaetz withdraws as Trump's nominee for attorney general

www.bbc.co.uk

Gaetz jumps before he is pushed

Only withdrew b/c there's clearly signs the report on his sexual assault case would be leaked if he pushed any further ahead. Certainly didn't help that the class clown of Congress, MTG tried to claim that if Republicans didn't stand behind Gaetz, she might expose their dirty secrets which everyone said, "Ok, do it".

 

[Danoff]

Only withdrew b/c there's clearly signs the report on his sexual assault case would be leaked if he pushed any further ahead.

What is left to be leaked?

I think we have the gist of it. I imagine that the problem was that this was a bridge ever-so-slightly too far for a few members of congress.

 

[McLaren]

What is left to be leaked?

I think we have the gist of it. I imagine that the problem was that this was a bridge ever-so-slightly too far for a few members of congress.

Probably the details of the case, I assume that would expose how long it had been going on, the money amount being exchanged, if Gaetz had done anything more than just had a relationship with her, etc.

McCarthy was the one I believe who really let it slip that Gaetz was a dirty piece of work and the GOP/Johnson definitely were adamant that the case not be fully revealed.

 

[TexRex]

Wouldn't it be funny if there was a second minor?

Edit: I obviously don't mean funny funny.