2024 US Presidential Election Thread

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Democrats' plan to fight Trump and win future elections:

Cooperation.


Apparently Trump is not an existential threat to democracy, but is actually reasonable and may share some common ground with Democrats. They talk about Trump doing bad things with the word "If", not "When".

I'm sure when midterms roll around, and Democrats campaign on all the bipartisan bills they helped push through alongside Republicans, that'll really convince the electorate of the importance of rejecting Republicans and voting in Democrats instead.
 
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The Democratic Party is dead. It's going to take an Obama-like figure to make any of it makes sense, and you'll note that Obama was rather moderate during his tenure. Liberals are just way too in their feelings about way too many things for any of it to make sense. They've got Bernie Sanders and AOC and that's about it, nobody else with a name is that liberal and can defend it sensibly, and all other Democrats are far more moderate.
 
I’ve said this so many times. Democratic politicians want bipartisanship, unity, compromise, to inhibit the party platform from moving leftward, which risks threatening corporate donor interests. They commit the fallacy of the golden mean- the best outcome is not guaranteed to be, and rarely ever is, the middle of two extremes. And it’s obvious that the median democratic voter, whether more moderate or more left, does not want bipartisanship with republicans. Because they can see so clearly that the GOP is completely opposed to democracy and egalitarianism and would not be willing to cooperate with Democrats under any circumstances.

Meanwhile no Republican politicians, not even the most moderate ones anymore, talk about bipartisanship. Acting as flagrantly partisan as possible is a winning strategy for them- it not only gives their base faith in the party (meanwhile actively worsening their own lives in the process), and doesn’t threaten the donor class at all. After all, fascism requires state corporatism and oligarchy, and does not meaningfully threaten the livelihoods of elites.

Until democrats ditch the “adults in the room” and the “when they go low, we go high” approach and play the republicans at their own game, they will not sustain as a party. Only winning elections because the GOP has so obviously made things worse off for people, while doing nothing to make fundamental changes, is not a viable long term strategy.

Democrats will also not win by being the perpetual opposition party. Not only because their opposition to fascism is not strong enough (and it won't be until they can, at least, actually address institutional failures and adopt bold, populist narratives), but because people actually want change. The conventional wisdom amongst Democratic politicians is that running "Republican-lite" campaigns, in which candidates concede issues to the Republicans (such as being somewhat anti-immigration) will be attractive to voters is plain wrong. People will always vote for the real thing (in this case, the Republican who is unabashedly anti-immigration) as opposed to half-measures. This is especially true for Democrats running in more moderate/swing districts, being told that running a more liberal/progressive campaign cannot win.

It's interesting that Fetterman proved this narrative wrong, and then completely strayed from it. He ran an unapologetically populist campaign in a swing state and was progressive on pretty much every issue outside of Israel. And he won handily in the primary against the "establishment democrat" Conor Lamb who ran on a centrist platform, and beat out Oz in the general. And now Fetterman is mostly a Republican-lite Democrat. The simple answer is that he was bought. The more cynical one would be that he understood that running a progressive campaign- or at the very least, one that is very distinct from the GOP platform- would win an election, but since the Democratic party as a whole seems to not learn its lesson, that there's no point in following through with it.
 
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Any country you send him to will essentially be an insult so send him to Pitcairn Island so he can't find his way home (yes I know it isn't a country).
Some days after dipping a toe in social media and news, I'm ready for reassignment to Pitcairn Island or Tristan de Cunha.

We are trying to be #1 in embarrassment.
Thank god for Mississippi Russia.
 
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The Democratic Party is dead. It's going to take an Obama-like figure to make any of it makes sense, and you'll note that Obama was rather moderate during his tenure. Liberals are just way too in their feelings about way too many things for any of it to make sense. They've got Bernie Sanders and AOC and that's about it, nobody else with a name is that liberal and can defend it sensibly, and all other Democrats are far more moderate.
It's almost like when progressive candidates (or Democrats who actually believe in anything and not merely interchangeable pawns for the status quo) are constantly given the cold shoulder by the party establishment, there won't be very many left. AOC and Bernie really made a name for themselves and are too powerful to topple. But when obscenely large AIPAC/corporate contributions have astroturfed reps like Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman out of their seats, and AOC- perhaps the most popular Democrat at all right now- being snubbed for the position of Oversight Committee leader in favor of a septugenerian centrist, it's not exactly encouraging for progressive voices to want to move up the ranks in the Democratic party. AOC and Sanders, despite their popularity (amongst not only their own constituents but Democratic voters nationwide and even independents and disaffected voters) and adroitness at making change within the Democratic party, are still mostly met with hostility by party leaders.
 
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