380PP NR-A Roadster Cup

[Dan]

Sorry for the noob question, but what is SRF?

Skid Recovery Force. It's an assist that gives an unrealistic amount of grip to your tires when they are on the edge of losing traction.

I, like many other people, can not stand this assist. If I want to get a little drift-y with my cars, I should be able to.

 

[blah blah blah]

Skid Recovery Force. It's an assist that gives an unrealistic amount of grip to your tires when they are on the edge of losing traction.

I, like many other people, can not stand this assist. If I want to get a little drift-y with my cars, I should be able to.

Ah yes, of course. I don't care about it myself. Thanks anyway!

 

[Edwards]

Skid recovery force. No question is a noob question in my opinion... Just saying.

 

[Edwards]

So something I noticed, I couldn't get the 89' Eunos Roadster (NA special package) from the NCD to 150bhp. Although the 89' MX-5 Miata (NA) from the UCL can get to 150bhp while staying under 380pp. Due to its 10kg weight difference. And I just got the 91' Eunos Roadster j-limited (NA) to 161bhp though it weighs more then the two 89' models I mentioned..

 

[dawayi]

After a bit of GT5 break I came back and saw this thread and agree how difficult it is. But not impossible as I am a very average driver.

My Car Roadster RS (NC) '07

[tuning setup]

I got all laps into 1:05 and one into 1:04.9 with a DS3.

I found this car better than the NA '89 for this circuit. As well I used more + toe in the rear to make it easier to control.

Good Luck

That car and setup did the trick, love you man!
Cutting the corner by sliding into it and slamming on the throttle as soon as possible to regain speed and control gave me an 1.05 on the first lap an 1.04ish on the rest. Still had to overtake the rabbit in the last corner on lap 5 Anyway, thank you.

 

[WeeRacingGuy]

Skid recovery force. No question is a noob question in my opinion... Just saying.

Just as you were a noob once - just saying! Remember what it was like?
And all you guys saying how it easy it is should have a look at it now. I cant get anything like the power in any of my cars that you guys have been getting at 380pp - or even under in some cases. On my first run at trial mountain the rabbits were 20 seconds ahead that mysteriously they were 39s ahead and doing a first lap of 1:22 then dropping to 1:58/59. The best I could manage was 1:54, finishing 20s behind.
The event is buggered. I've been trying out different models with different tunes and its almost impossible. I watched oink's vid, hoping it would be as helpful as they usually are but not this time. They have definitely moved the goalposts on this one, big time.
ps. I'm just a noob, what do I know?

 

[Synapticgap]

Just as you were a noob once - just saying! Remember what it was like?
And all you guys saying how it easy it is should have a look at it now. I cant get anything like the power in any of my cars that you guys have been getting at 380pp - or even under in some cases. On my first run at trial mountain the rabbits were 20 seconds ahead that mysteriously they were 39s ahead and doing a first lap of 1:22 then dropping to 1:58/59. The best I could manage was 1:54, finishing 20s behind.
The event is buggered. I've been trying out different models with different tunes and its almost impossible. I watched oink's vid, hoping it would be as helpful as they usually are but not this time. They have definitely moved the goalposts on this one, big time.
ps. I'm just a noob, what do I know?

Buddy, read further up in this thread, there is tons of advice.

Very important for noobs: the starting lineup of cars. Sometimes, the pole car (the one in first place, the rabbit) is simply too fast to beat, other times, like in the Lamborghini seasonal, the top three cars interfere with one another, opening the chance for you to win.
Personally, if the rabbit in this one is a Roadster and not a Miata or MX-5, I back out and re-enter the event.

 

[Frankenstein62]

I consider myself to be a decent driver, though have to admit this is nigh on impossible. Has anyone actually been successfuk with this challenge?
What car did you use, I have used every Mazda that is eligible, tried all settings though to no avail.
Please some one put an old man out of his misery, what is the secret please?

 

[suba1960]

Frankenstein62 read Argon post#166 carefully...it will help you a lot...

good luck

the secret is practice and patience ...lol

 

[Vegard]

I consider myself to be a decent driver, though have to admit this is nigh on impossible. Has anyone actually been successfuk with this challenge?
What car did you use, I have used every Mazda that is eligible, tried all settings though to no avail.
Please some one put an old man out of his misery, what is the secret please?

Try this tune https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8073611#post8073611, it did the trick for me.

 

[Otaliema]

somthing changed in 2.12 update to get more than 150 bhp the car has to weight more than 1k kgs.
I tried the tune from post 166 ended up (no break in) 148bhp 935kgs 388 pp 138 bhp puts it at 380pp
to get the 340 pp in the post bhp had to be dropped to 95bhp....
top get the the 150 bhp pp went to 391

Gonna go out on a limb and say the pp value of upgrades was increased.
if I remove the ecu intake and exhaust upgrades I can get to 147 bhp at 379pp at 935kgs

 

[GTsail]

Something changed in 2.12 update to get more than 150 bhp the car has to weight more than 1k kgs.
I tried the tune from post 166 ended up (no break in) 148bhp 935kgs 388 pp 138 bhp puts it at 380pp
to get the 340 pp in the post bhp had to be dropped to 95bhp....
top get the the 150 bhp pp went to 391

Gonna go out on a limb and say the pp value of upgrades was increased.
if I remove the ecu intake and exhaust upgrades I can get to 147 bhp at 379pp at 935kgs

Have you added ballast to your Mazda Eunos Roadster?

Take a look at the screen-shot of Argon's tune in his post # 188

He has done the weight reductions and then added back 200kg's of ballast, so his '89 Roadster ends up at 1041kgs.

Respectfully,
GTsail

 

[Emman1984]

Argon Tune got me all gold in this event <3

 

[myersjm71]

Otaliema is right. I can't even come close to the horsepowers you all are posting as a tune. Argon's car...set up on my game...comes out to over 430+ pp. 2nd place is my best at London. 4 seconds behind the leader...

Furthermore, look at the typical opponents list. They are all technically rabbits. My opponents range from 381 to 391 pp...in a limited 380 pp race?

 

[myersjm71]

Argon Tune got me all gold in this event <3

When did you get all gold in this? Recently?

 

[bongoplyr]

When did you get all gold in this? Recently?

My thought as well. I was away from the game when this seasonal appeared and came to it recently. I consider myself a more than competent driver, and I can't even come close.

 

[hoolio]

just completed this using Argon's tune difference being I used sports filter,cat and exhaust with 200kgs of ballast engine at 86.6% (after last race) for 146bhp 1031kgs and 380pp without any problems....👍Argon nice tune worked well for me...

 

[GTsail]

Otaliema is right. I can't even come close to the horsepowers you all are posting as a tune. Argon's car...set up on my game...comes out to over 430+ pp. 2nd place is my best at London. 4 seconds behind the leader...

Furthermore, look at the typical opponents list. They are all technically rabbits. My opponents range from 381 to 391 pp...in a limited 380 pp race?

Yes, you are correct about the AI, their PPvalue is higher than what we are allowed (between 381 and 391 as you've noticed). This is because this particular Seasonal race was set up by PD during the time-frame when many of our rear-wheel drive cars had their PP values lowered by about 40 points. So when this Seasonal race was first available our cars would still meet the 380PPvalue limitation even though you could add another 40-50 horses. If you go back and read the first 150 posts in this thread, you can see how much easier a race it was back then.

Then PD lowered the boom on us and gave us the V2.11 update. This reset the PPvalues for many FR cars including the '89 Mazda Roadster, which is one of the preferred cars that many were using. This starts to get discussed beginning with post # 156 in this thread above.

Once the above problem was noticed, Argon👍 revised his tune a little at at post # 166 gave us the amazing '89 Mazda Eunos Roadster tune. There is also a picture of the tune within post # 188.

I have just purchased another '89 Mazda Roadster for a new game, and was able to match Argon's Roadster spec's.

My steps:
1) Purchase new Mazda Eunos Roadster NA Special Package '89
2) I take it to the Tuning Shop and purchase the following:
-----Stage 1 weight reduction
-----Stage 2 weight reduction
-----Stage 3 weight reduction
-----Carbon hood

After the above mods my '89 Roadster has the following spec's:
HP.. 114
WGT 841
PPV 370

3) I then purchase the engine upgrades:
-----Stage 1 engine tune
-----Stage 2 engine tune
-----Stage 3 engine tune
-----Titanium Semi-racing exhaust

4) I then add 200kgs of ballast

After the above mods my '89 Roadster has the following spec's:
HP.. 151
WGT 1041
PPV 381

5) I then adjust the P.Limiter down to 99.2% and get the following spec;s
HP... 150
WGT 1041
PPV. 380

Note: the game shows 149HP when viewing the car from the garage, but shows 150HP when you open up the tuning window.
Note # 2: If you install the titanium racing exhaust instead of the semi-racing exhaust, you will need to adjust the P.Limiter down to about 96.7% to match the 380PP limitation.

I'm now off to the tracks to see how it will race!

See you on the tracks!
GTsail

 

[myersjm71]

Yes, you are correct about the AI, their PPvalue is higher than what we are allowed (between 381 and 391 as you've noticed). This is because this particular Seasonal race was set up by PD during the time-frame when many of our rear-wheel drive cars had their PP values lowered by about 40 points. So when this Seasonal race was first available our cars would still meet the 380PPvalue limitation even though you could add another 40-50 horses. If you go back and read the first 150 posts in this thread, you can see how much easier a race it was back then.

Then PD lowered the boom on us and gave us the V2.11 update. This reset the PPvalues for many FR cars including the '89 Mazda Roadster, which is one of the preferred cars that many were using. This starts to get discussed beginning with post # 156 in this thread above.

Once the above problem was noticed, Argon👍 revised his tune a little at at post # 166 gave us the amazing '89 Mazda Eunos Roadster tune. There is also a picture of the tune within post # 188.

I have just purchased another '89 Mazda Roadster for a new game, and was able to match Argon's Roadster spec's.

My steps:
1) Purchase new Mazda Eunos Roadster NA Special Package '89
2) I take it to the Tuning Shop and purchase the following:
-----Stage 1 weight reduction
-----Stage 2 weight reduction
-----Stage 3 weight reduction
-----Carbon hood

After the above mods my '89 Roadster has the following spec's:
HP.. 114
WGT 841
PPV 370

3) I then purchase the engine upgrades:
-----Stage 1 engine tune
-----Stage 2 engine tune
-----Stage 3 engine tune
-----Titanium Semi-racing exhaust
4) I then add 200kgs of ballast

After the above mods my '89 Roadster has the following spec's:
HP.. 151
WGT 1041
PPV 381

5) I then adjust the P.Limiter down to 99.2% and get the following spec;s
HP... 150
WGT 1041
PPV. 380

Note: the game shows 149HP when viewing the car from the garage, but shows 150HP when you open up the tuning window.
Note # 2: If you install the titanium racing exhaust instead of the semi-racing exhaust, you will need to adjust the P.Limiter down to about 96.7% to match the 380PP limitation.

I'm now off to the tracks to see how it will race!

See you on the tracks!
GTsail

Yes, GTSail, I saw that tune just now. I skipped over it because I thought that was Argon's earlier pre-2.11 tune with much higher HP. I also saw a tune on page 12 I think. It was for a 2007 Miata...which is the only car I have been able to post a 2nd place at London.

One can't get too pissed about this race. I don't know how many of these Mazda ****boxes I have purchased...but after a few 2nd or 3rd's, one has all the money he spent on the car and then some. I've been thru maybe 6 cars...and I have went from 15 mil to 18.5 mil...silly...

 

[Emman1984]

When did you get all gold in this? Recently?[/QUOTeE]

 

[Emman1984]

When did you get all gold in this? Recently?

Yep I completed this just last week thank to Argon

 

[GTsail]

....... I also saw a tune on page 12 I think. It was for a 2007 Miata...which is the only car I have been able to post a 2nd place at London.
.....

I'm in agreement that the London race is the toughest of the five. Last night, it took me five attempts before I was able to win London with my brand new Mazda Roadster NA Special Package '89, after easy wins on the other four tracks (two attempts on the Eifel track with the guideline turned on, since I don't know that track).

Previously (a few months ago), I had won the London race with the 2007 Miata that you mention. The 2007 Miata is a good choice for London and may even handle slightly better than the '89 Eunos Roadster. The key to winning London (other than practice) is to run against one of the slower 1st place rabbits. Some rabbits are faster than others, so try racing against a different lineup if it seems that the 1st place car is too strong. The second lineup after a console re-start has the following cars in the first five places:

1) Eunos Roadster NA Special Package
2) Roadster 1600 NRA '04
3) MX-5 Miata NA '89
4) MX-5 (NA) '89
5) MX-5 1800RS NB,J '04

The 1st place rabbit in the above grid is about 4-5 seconds slower than the rabbit in many of the other grids.

Update note:
--------------
I have just purchased a new 2007 Mazda Roadster RS NC, and gave it a quick tune and entered it in the London race. I found that the 2007 Roadster better suits my driving style and I was easily half a second quicker around the London track. On my second attempt, I won the race with a 5 second lead over the 2nd place Mazda Roadster.

Good luck!
GTsail

 

[myersjm71]

Thank you Emman for letting me know it was recent. And thank you Argon and GTsail for the added info. Just beat London last night by 1.4 seconds. I'm 41...so even though that is damned slow, I'll take it. A win is a win. Also, GTsail, I never noticed that there are two different "lineups" one can race against. I exited out of the race that had the 1600 on the pole, and when I came back in, the Eunos Roadster '89 was the pole sitter. And he was slower than the 1600...by 4 seconds.

 

[Coenraad]

I just tried this cup, and i only tried Indianapolis, but i just can't even get close. First i bought a new MX-5, and with that one i didn't even catch up with the number 11.. Then i bought an older version (NC i believe). And with that one my highest is 6th, with a massive gap to the next cars.

I tried upgrading the car and restricting the power to get a wider power band, but it doesn't seem to help.
Sofar i am not even close to catching the top 6, and on most attempts i fail to enter the slipstream of the #11 car so i just drive last for 3 laps.

Anyone has some tips?

Edit: Just saw Argon's post 166. Will try this out

 

[Dotini]

After a long lay off, I too tried this seasonal, taking on Trial Mountain. It took me a couple of attempts with the '07 roadster. I had to carefully tune the transmission and maintain momentum through the corners. It's really a good test - much like a license test - it requires strict attention to best practices.

Edit:
I just did Indy, winning by taking the lead coming out of turn 3 on the final lap and pulling away by several seconds. I started in 5th gear, caught the draft, up-shifted and started passing right away.

I used an '07 with 380PP, 164hp, 1300kg, 85% PL. ECU, cat, titanium exhaust.
6th gear 0.987, final 3.947. This is not perfect, but it's close enough.

 

[GTsail]

I just tried this cup, and I only tried Indianapolis, but I just can't even get close. First I bought a new MX-5, and with that one I didn't even catch up with the number 11.. Then I bought an older version (NC I believe). And with that one my highest is 6th, with a massive gap to the next cars.

So far I am not even close to catching the top 6, and on most attempts I fail to enter the slipstream of the #11 car so I just drive last for 3 laps.

Anyone has some tips?

As I mention back in my post # 187:

However, I have found that lineup # 2, is slightly easier, so I recommend it for your first attempt. Lineup # 2 has the following cars in the first four positions:

1) Eunos Roadster NA Special Package '89
2) Roadster 1600 NR-A NB '04
3) MX-5 Miata NA '89
4) MX-5 NA '89

I have found that Indy is easily winnable if you race against the 2nd lineup after a game re-start. In lineup # 2, the AI are spread-out on the Indy track in such a way that you can efficiently use them to stay in the draft for most of the three laps, so you make steady progress to the front. Give it a try.

Good luck!
GTsail

 

[Coenraad]

Well yesterday ended in failiure. I drove the indy track for nearly two hours, and the closest i got a few times was 3rd with the leading two cars being over 3 secs away.

Just before i went to bed i decided to give another track ago, so i tried Susuka. There it went quite decent, and had just 5,6 sec to the leader at the start of the last lap, and i feel conficent i would have been able to catch him or atleast get very close, but i spun out in the first corner. So i ended in 5th, but i feel that one is not such a big issue and will get it the next time i try.
but as long as i can't beat the Indy track i see no use of driving the others first.

 

[GTsail]

Well yesterday ended in failure. I drove the indy track for nearly two hours, and the closest I got a few times was 3rd with the leading two cars being over 3 secs away.

Dedication like this^^^^^ should eventually pay off.👍

What car are you using, and are you running against the recommended lineup # 2?

Either the '89 Roadster or the '91 Roadster that can be purchased from the new car Mazda dealership are good choices and can be tuned for wins at Indy.

Good luck!
GTsail

 

[Coenraad]

I used that yellow one. It's the '91 roadster i believe. I have it at 151bhp and 200kg ballast. I might buy a new one and tune it exactly like yours. On mine i bought all upgrades and Then detuned it, but i beleve mine is slightly heavier and has 4 less bhp.

I drove against many line ups lol

 

[GTsail]

I used that yellow one. It's the '91 roadster I believe.****
I drove against many line ups lol

HA!👍

Yeah, some lineups are essentially impossible. Sometimes, the first 3-4 rabbits will pull away from the rest of the field, so when you reach around 5th place, there is no one to draft behind for an entire lap, and its impossible to catch the front-runners.

Try running the '91 Roadster against lineup # 2. I have found that I can beat this lineup nearly 90% of the time. Every once in a while, even this lineup will have some front-running rabbits that gap the field, so you can't win the race. If this happens, just re-start against the same field and the game's variation will probably give better drafting gaps between the other cars.

Good luck!
GTsail