6th Gen Chevrolet Camaro: 2017 ZL1, Z/28

[AnthonyD1993]

Damn. So that story that we have been discussing turned out to be HRM punking us with an April Fools joke. That being said:

I wonder if this means that the man who is overseeing the Camaro (Oppenheiser is the Chief Engineer of the Camaro) will either try to make this happen now or intentionally do something different to make Freiburger and company look like idiots. Since Al is a true car guy and not just some random corporate hack, I'm hoping for the former.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Damn. So that story that we have been discussing turned out to be HRM punking us with an April Fools joke. That being said:

I wonder if this means that the man who is overseeing the Camaro (Oppenheiser is the Chief Engineer of the Camaro) will either try to make this happen now or intentionally do something different to make Freiburger and company look like idiots. Since Al is a true car guy and not just some random corporate hack, I'm hoping for the former.

You can't be serious.

*Oppenheiser approaching Mary Barra* "Hey did you see the Hot Rod Magazine Article? Can we have another $500 million to develop what they fantasized about?"

 

[AnthonyD1993]

You can't be serious.

*Oppenheiser approaching Mary Barra* "Hey did you see the Hot Rod Magazine Article? Can we have another $500 million to develop what they fantasized about?"

Why are you asking if I'm serious? I'm obviously being sarcastic. There is no rational way that GM would allow a bazillion dollars to radically change the tooling for the body, the chassis, and the drivetrain for the upcoming 6th gen when it's this far along.

Come on now, why would I (a business management major no less) really think that that would happen? If I was in charge, I wouldn't bother with what one magazine said about my car because changing it to suit the needs of one publication would result in substantial cost overruns. I wouldn't dare make the change that would result in needing to sell more units to see the break-even point, and rather obviously, result in my job going bye-bye because I cannot effectively oversee the development of the one car that I was tasked with overseeing.

There is only ONE small possibility of such an engine (the 396 TT) for COPO purposes, and pigs flying is arguably more likely to happen at the moment. There's no reason to do that yet since the current COPO lineup is more than capable of handling the job and could help speed up development. Nothing else will happen UNLESS that was where Al was already headed with the project.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Why are you asking if I'm serious? I'm obviously being sarcastic. There is no rational way that GM would allow a bazillion dollars to radically change the tooling for the body, the chassis, and the drivetrain for the upcoming 6th gen when it's this far along.

There is nothing in your post that even hints at sarcasm.

 

[Slash]

I could see a 396 TT in a higher end model like a new ZL1 that wasn't a Copo. I mean, Dodge has the supercharged 392. With turbo technology out these days I can't see why something like that, even single turbo, couldn't happen.

 

[Grandea GTR]

Are copos and yenkos related?

 

[YSSMAN]

If memory serves, the GM COPO program was a special order system that allowed for vastly different parts to be installed in a Nova, Camaro, and Chevelle out of the factory. Many different dealers offered COPO vehicles, however, Yenko and Berger are usually the two that are most often associated with it.

 

[Slash]

Yeah COPO was GM special order.


Yenko, Berger and Baldwin-Motion are the most common aftermarket ones. Similarly to Roush/Saleen/Steeda when it comes to Mustangs.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Yeah COPO was GM special order.


Yenko, Berger and Baldwin-Motion are the most common aftermarket ones. Similarly to Roush/Saleen/Steeda when it comes to Mustangs.

Not quite the same thing. Yenko, Berger, and Baldwin were all actual dealerships that upgraded the cars. Roush/Saleen/Steeda are tuner companies.

 

[Slash]

Not quite the same thing. Yenko, Berger, and Baldwin were all actual dealerships that upgraded the cars. Roush/Saleen/Steeda are tuner companies.

Right. That's what I was getting at, just mixed it up. Thanks 👍

 

[EvanJamesLee]

Here's a sketch I drew of what I think it should resemble. Maybe a bit too retro styled though.

Notice how I spelt safety wrong

 

[Slash]

I see nothing new in that drawing. Looks like the old cars.

 

[EvanJamesLee]

I see nothing new in that drawing. Looks like the old cars.

The 70s era camaro is just too perfect the way it is to modernize in my opinion.

 

[TheCracker]

Here's a sketch I drew of what I think it should resemble. Maybe a bit too retro styled though.

Notice how I spelt safety wrong

i like the Triumph Vitesse front end 👍

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

i like the Triumph Vitesse front end 👍

I was going to say Peugeot 505.

 

[88GTA]

Selectable driving modes will be a new addition for the 2016 Camaro including snow/ice, tour and sport with track settings also available on SS models. ZL1-based magnetic ride control with three preset programs of tour, sport and track will also be available on SS models. Enhanced dual-mode exhaust will also be an option.

GM article here.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Good. Now, let's see it weigh less than 3600lbs.. I won't be holding my breath.

 

[YSSMAN]

Depends on which version you get, I'd think. Considering the ATS Coupe with the 3.6 is sitting at 3565, and assuming the Camaro will be a little bigger, that's probably the low end with the 2.0T/V6. But, since they're only promising a weight loss of 200lbs with the SS, best we could hope for is probably somewhere around 3700 - depending on what boxes are checked. Since the older, non-1LE SS with an automatic rang in at 3900, that seems like a pretty fair bet for the majority of the models.

Unless of course GM has some card up their sleeve with an aluminium/carbon Camaro Z/28 replacement. Then a sub 3600lb Camaro seems like a greater probability.

Still lighter than the new Mustang, anyway

 

[Cale]

Good. Now, let's see it weigh less than 3600lbs.. I won't be holding my breath.

Considering the atsv weighs 3800lbs i don't see the camaro writing in at less than 3650

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Considering the atsv weighs 3800lbs i don't see the camaro writing in at less than 3650

Not even the theoretical fourbanger?

 

[Cale]

The Camaro is a half a size larger than the ATS, and a 2.0T with all of it's piping/cooling isn't going to be appreciably lighter than an all aluminum V6.

 

[Tornado]

Why would a turbocharged four cylinder weigh any less than an already all aluminum V6 engine?

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Turbo motors these days have forged parts from factory. Aren't forged pistons etc lighter?

 

[Zenith]

Turbo motors these days have forged parts from factory. Aren't forged pistons etc lighter?

No. They're heavier.

And turbos and plumbing add weight. In general, turbo = heavy.

 

[Tornado]

The Ecotec doesn't have forged pistons anyway.

 

[YSSMAN]

The Camaro is a half a size larger than the ATS, and a 2.0T with all of it's piping/cooling isn't going to be appreciably lighter than an all aluminum V6.

Do we really think the new Camaro will be that much bigger than the ATS Coupe? As far as I can tell, their interior dimensions are quite similar (Cadillac gets a surprising advantage on rear seat space), but the Camaro is 7" longer with a 3" growth in wheelbase. Assuming GM doesn't want to spend too much on retooling the Alpha chassis, it'd make more sense to see the Camaro shrink slightly. I mean, we've got two weeks until we find out, but I don't expect it to be that much different from the size of the ATS.

 

[88GTA]

This is the GM release about the 200 lb. weight loss @YSSMAN mentioned. Doesn't mention the weight savings being only on the SS but just for the Camaro overall.

 

[Omnis]

I hope it looks like and uses all the same tooling as the CT6 under its skin. The CT6 is a structural work of art. Hopefully the Camaro is a smaller, lighter version of that.

I wonder if it would get the same LGXTT engine as the CT6 too. We know it's getting the LGX V6 for sure, but is it going to be LTG 4-cyl, LGX, and LT1 v8? Or will there be another step up? I'd quite like 400 horsepowerz and torkz.

 

[88GTA]

I'm still thinking it's going to be:
2.0T LTG base model 272hp/295lb/ft
3.6L LGX V6 option 330hp/330lb/ft ?
LT1 V8 for SS/1LE
LT4 V8 for ZL1

 

[YSSMAN]

I wonder if it would get the same LGXTT engine as the CT6 too. We know it's getting the LGX V6 for sure, but is it going to be LTG 4-cyl, LGX, and LT1 v8? Or will there be another step up? I'd quite like 400 horsepowerz and torkz.

I have my doubts on whether or not the Camaro would get the twin-turbo V6, but it seems fairly likely that it'd get the corporate 2.0T, 3.6, and a version of the LT1. I had been under the impression that the unit in the Camaro had a tweaked setup compared to the unit in the Corvette, sounding almost entirely different - but that could be only the exhaust, and not much else. If the Camaro is indeed give/take the size of the ATS, I'd imagine there's some level of a corporate mandate cutting off the BHP on the car to keep it off the back of the Cadillac. Could be enough to throttle it down to ~430 BHP, possibly with more torque, and a rebadge on the engine.