7th GTP F1 World Championship (F1 2010 edition) * SEASON FINISHED :'''( *F1 2010-2016 

Shaggy Alonso
I'm very average at GT5, always was at GT5P and Supercar Challenge too, and most racing games in general. The only ones I ever excelled at were F1:CE and F1 2010 - no idea why.

Might give it a bash anyhoo.
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I found I'm better at formula cars too in games. Like in GT5P, I could keep with the top guys with the F2007 but with road cars I found it harder to keep up. I think it is more due to aerodynamic downforce in Fomula cars. In road cars, you have work harder to get the car to stick through corners while formula cars, it is more about directing. I've had a wheel since about February 2010, and since then I've been much more competitive in games. Before I would settle for top 1000, now I want to be in the top 100, well at least in the UK region. F1 2010 Monza wet is my highest ranking on any leaderboard which just so happens to be the next race, I think I'm in the top 4 last time I checked but I might be lower.

I would be interested to see how you get on if you do give it a go as you really should be reasonably fast in GT5 going by your F1 2010 speed. Target is to beat DC.

My PSN ID is: saidur . You can add me, might force me to try and beat you on the friends leaderboards in F1 2010 as I'm currently at the top on all of the ones I've attempted. Mainly because I've only got one person on the list that has played F1 2010 and set only 1 slow time :P.

Mr. S
Actually...I meant Abu Dhabi in a few days. :P
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I see, that is why I said I was not sure what you meant ;)
 
saidur_ali
I found I'm better at formula cars too in games. Like in GT5P, I could keep with the top guys with the F2007 but with road cars I found it harder to keep up. I think it is more due to aerodynamic downforce in Fomula cars. In road cars, you have work harder to get the car to stick through corners while formula cars, it is more about directing. I've had a wheel since about February 2010, and since then I've been much more competitive in games. Before I would settle for top 1000, now I want to be in the top 100, well at least in the UK region. F1 2010 Monza wet is my highest ranking on any leaderboard which just so happens to be the next race, I think I'm in the top 4 last time I checked but I might be lower.

I would be interested to see how you get on if you do give it a go as you really should be reasonably fast in GT5 going by your F1 2010 speed. Target is to beat DC.

My PSN ID is: saidur . You can add me, might force me to try and beat you on the friends leaderboards in F1 2010 as I'm currently at the top on all of the ones I've attempted. Mainly because I've only got one person on the list that has played F1 2010 and set only 1 slow time :P.



I see, that is why I said I was not sure what you meant ;)
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My TTing really isn't anything special. Time Trial is mostly for OCD maniacs IMHO. Don't get me wrong, they're fast no doubt and we all like seeing how we stack up on a leaderboard, but anyone can get lucky and do a one in a million lap with a ridiculous, gamebreaker type set-up and look amazing. The top guys in time trial have optimised all the braking and turn in points to absolute perfection as the car always handles identically each time. With tyre and fuel sim on it's a different beast as the performance fluctuates and you have to manage this and keep your consistency - a very different discipline.

I'm going to go up and add you here in a minute and we can race if you're game?
 
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Shaggy Alonso
My TTing really isn't anything special. Time Trial is mostly for OCD maniacs IMHO. Don't get me wrong, they're fast no doubt and we all like seeing how we stack up on a leaderboard, but anyone can get lucky and do a one in a million lap with a ridiculous, gamebreaker type set-up and look amazing. The top guys in time trial have optimised all the braking and turn in points to absolutely perfection as the car always handles identically each time. With tyre and fuel sim on it's a different beast as the performance fluctuates and you have to manage this and keep your consistency - a very different discipline.

I'm going to go up and add you here in a minute and we can race if you're game?
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I like time trials with a fixed setup more so like this new Mercedes Seasonal event. The top guys are just insanely fast straight away, and then the OCD of knocking a few tenths comes in to play. For GT games it is a good thing as time trialling gives you the chance to become a real racing driver or win tickets to Interlagos GP for example ;). I like time trialling as you can do it whenever without having to commit to say racing championships. I guess I should try the WRS but that is to much for me at the moment. I mainly do it for just for big events and the F1 MTC championship is the only reason why I attempted the F1 2010 time trials competitively.

I won't drive now as my DFGT will make too much noise, might need to get a G27 due to that reason :P. Maybe you could try the seasonal event as I think the servers have just gone back up.
 
My only issue with time trialers is when they try to race online against other people on the same piece of track and keep trying to take their time trial lines and braking points - which obviously leads to a lot of contact as they get caught out by people who use different lines and braking points and by racing situations which cause cars to be slower.

Interesting to read that Shaggy feels less competitive in tin-tops. I was wondering how a GT5 one-off tin-top race would go with the same group of drivers and who would come up top - especially if we used much slower cars (say, 300bhp, 1150kg) which generally makes the racing much, much closer. I personally feel I'd be in about the same place, I've never been outright fastest on any game though I've always been 1 or 2 seconds off and been able to mix it up front. Though I've always found I'm more competitive in GT5 and Ferrari Challenge because the slower cars make the racing closer and more depends on battling and being able to think tactically around the track.

I like the F1 games and GT games for different reasons. I like the F1 games for testing outright speed ability, a test of laptimes rather than overtaking skills. Whereas I like GT for the fun battles on the track, constantly switching back and overtaking all over the place as well as running in groups of 4 or more cars all jostling for position - Touring cars style.
 
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Ardius
My only issue with time trialers is when they try to race online against other people on the same piece of track and keep trying to take their time trial lines and braking points - which obviously leads to a lot of contact as they get caught out by people who use different lines and braking points and by racing situations which cause cars to be slower.

Interesting to read that Shaggy feels less competitive in tin-tops. I was wondering how a GT5 one-off tin-top race would go with the same group of drivers and who would come up top - especially if we used much slower cars (say, 300bhp, 1150kg) which generally makes the racing much, much closer. I personally feel I'd be in about the same place, I've never been outright fastest on any game though I've always been 1 or 2 seconds off and been able to mix it up front. Though I've always found I'm more competitive in GT5 and Ferrari Challenge because the slower cars make the racing closer and more depends on battling and being able to think tactically around the track.

I like the F1 games and GT games for different reasons. I like the F1 games for testing outright speed ability, a test of laptimes rather than overtaking skills. Whereas I like GT for the fun battles on the track, constantly switching back and overtaking all over the place as well as running in groups of 4 or more cars all jostling for position - Touring cars style.
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I think that will be more the case for slower time triallers. The top ones should be more aware, that goes for any racing game.

I think I have a better chance of winning against you guys in GT than F1 2010 as I prefer the feel of the physics in GT a lot more and Shaggy says he is not as good in GT as he is in F1 2010 ;).
 
Shaggy Alonso
Sure man, so long as you're a clean racer then you're most welcome. We're missing a few runners who have dropped out so you and Ali will both have slots available to take. If anyone's up for a practice right now, I am? I need your PSN ID btw Mr. S, thanks.

P.S. What is a Frenchman doing with an Audi LMP1 proto as his avatar? :P
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I'll shoot you a PM with my PSN ID - I'm after clean racing, no worries. ;)

I'm not French, on a side-note. I'm Bavarian, so is AUDI. :P
 
There is currently no plan to hold a championship as soon as 2011 comes out. The consensus is to wait a bit before holding one - partly to give us all a break, partly to let us focus and enjoy the single player and partly to let the post-release excitement die down so we get more long-term players.

But as I said earlier in the thread, there is a plan (at least for me) to run a India test night where I will run through all the different settings for online lobbies and gain some experience with all the new gadgets and the new circuit. This will have a mini-championship involved.
I'll probably hold it either the weekend or the weekend after the release.
 
kcheeb
Had some good runs around the track today with Shaggy and Saidur. Pace is still not there, damn right foot!

Looking forward to Sunday!
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My tyres were completely gone in the short 6 lap races. Did you guys pit in them races?

Anyway I think I need to find 3 seconds off pace and as this track has many traction zones, this is not the best circuit for me. This game feels strange to me, other games it is usually faster without TC but this game is easier and usually faster with it on. I think I need to get a feel for the car so I will turn the force feedback up in the hope it helps me but I think the best I can hope for at the moment is a top 5 finish without incident.
 
Hi Guys,

I hope everybody is ready for our final race tomorrow. I think YAS MARINA is a great circuit and it will be a lot of fun and action as usual.
To be honest there swings a little bit of melancholy as this will be the end of the season and obviously the goodbye to F1-2010 due to the new game coming out soon.
I remember that someone played The Chain - by Fleetwood Mac on a guitar in the earlier races. Was it Internet-User? Perhaps we could hear that in the lobby with a little bit of calm before starting the session tomorrow.
I will be online for training from 19 p.m. uk time this evening.

Best regards

DarkPSI
 
saidur_ali
My tyres were completely gone in the short 6 lap races. Did you guys pit in them races?
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First race I made it to the end on Options, but it was dicey. Had to slow my pace substantially.

Second race I ran on Primes the whole race without a problem. Made up huge ground on the last two laps as everyone else who ran on Options had to slow.

Third race I made it to the end on Options with orange tyres.

I believe Shaggy pitted in all the races, such is his pace.
 
Guys, i probably will miss this race - afraid i just haven't had time to practice and therefore will be nowhere near competitive pace. Unfotrunately, casual pace is not enough against most players in this series, it requires some real practice and car setup work to whittle the times down to some where near the leaders times, and getting that practice time is something i am struggling with.

Interested in the F1 2011 test and possible championship thereafter, so will hang around on the forum and keep an eye on what's happening.

I'll also add some of you guys for some online practice as and when
 
Sorry guys going to miss this race too, been so busy lately. Really wanted to take part in the final race too. :grumpy:

Enjoy guys im sure it'll be a blast
 
Don't not show if you think you'll suck. Practice makes perfect Paul ,and besides, you never know, you could be actually closer than you think and pick up a place or 2 in the race.
 
I'll be there, it's the final round I can't miss it, although I'll like Liuzzi earlier on :lol:
 
Peter.
Don't not show if you think you'll suck. Practice makes perfect Paul ,and besides, you never know, you could be actually closer than you think and pick up a place or 2 in the race.
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Is that meant be don't or do?

Anyway I suck at this track with no assists and I'm struggling to see how a lot of the F1 2010 fast players like Shaggy and Dark and Pipeslice have so much pace. I don't think I got ahead of Shaggy's ghost at all and I would have thought I would lucked into beating it.

What downforce setting is everyone running for the race. I'm not clued up on setup for race and just found when to accelerate out the pits. In the practice sessions I had so far I did not turn it off and more or less drove on the limiter until it turned it self off. Now I won't drop as far back after pits as I did in practice ;). This is going to be the first time I'm going to run such a long race so hopefully I don't run out of fuel. This may sound like a stupid question but if anyone sees it, how do you know if you are going to run out of fuel or how much you got left as I ran out in the qualifying practice session? I will just follow you guys into the pits as it most likely is the best strategy, that is if I can see any of you.
 
Saidur, in the lower right corner when driving there's a gas can icon, when it turns yellow, you have roughly 2 laps of fuel left.

In the pit before qualy you can set how much fuel you want on board in the engine setting option. Generally 5, 1 out lap, 1 in lap and 3 runs at it. you should have close to enough time for a second stint of perhaps 2 laps.
 
kcheeb
Saidur, in the lower right corner when driving there's a gas can icon, when it turns yellow, you have roughly 2 laps of fuel left.

In the pit before qualy you can set how much fuel you want on board in the engine setting option. Generally 5, 1 out lap, 1 in lap and 3 runs at it. you should have close to enough time for a second stint of perhaps 2 laps.
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Thanks for the help.

Anyway I want to say sorry to Pipeslice and I guess Shaggy who must have been around the incident judging by how close you guys finished. Don't know who crashed. I thought JC was behind me, I had a moment, pressed brake as you do then bam and next thing I see is Pipeslice's username go by and think 'Uh oh'. If I knew you were behind I would have slowed down.

I only managed to do one half decent lap in qualifying and that was the first lap. The others I ruined by either messing up the final corner exit or losing it. I expected to be about 3 seconds but if I did a decent lap I think I would have been at a maximum of 5 tenths quicker which wouldn't be enough to put me higher up.

I'm baffled why I was so slow in the race. I more or less was braking on the limit but I was left in traction zones and even on straight-line speed against pretty much anyone I was racing.

Anyway I'm happy to finish having a few incidents, one with JC, another with Ardius, the one I think could have been with Pipeslice and finally one with the track ;).
 
Peter.
Don't not show if you think you'll suck. Practice makes perfect Paul ,and besides, you never know, you could be actually closer than you think and pick up a place or 2 in the race.
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Yeah I know what you mean mate, but i need to know i can put in a decent lap in otherwise it's a bit demoralising hehe...

Much better plan for me is to hook up with you chaps beforehand or day before for practice on the actual track to be raced.

@Saidur, i have generally found that to make that step up to the really fast guys times you have to get the car setings better set up for turn in, especially at a twisty track like that. A lot of players (like myself) can't always be bothered to do this for every track, i would prefer just to use the quick setups, but it won't get you that extra last bit of lap time, however good you are at driving the track
 
Paulzx
Yeah I know what you mean mate, but i need to know i can put in a decent lap in otherwise it's a bit demoralising hehe...

Much better plan for me is to hook up with you chaps beforehand or day before for practice on the actual track to be raced.

@Saidur, i have generally found that to make that step up to the really fast guys times you have to get the car setings better set up for turn in, especially at a twisty track like that. A lot of players (like myself) can't always be bothered to do this for every track, i would prefer just to use the quick setups, but it won't get you that extra last bit of lap time, however good you are at driving the track
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I ended up using a quick setup as time trial setup was not working for me. It is not really about extracting that extra little bit, I can't push much more as I will spin out or understeer off. I think I needed to find 3-4 seconds per lap to keep up and I don't get how I can do this unless I manage to straightline some parts of the track and go flat through them. This game has baffled me since I got it as I play most games with assists off but this game I usually have them on to make me more competitive.

Hope F1 2011 brings me closer as it should have better physics. I need to find a eureka moment with the game to make me competitive and I don't think I can practice enough to get to the level of the top guys. It looked like they were driving rocketships, I mean I could barely see the dot of Pipeslice after the incident because he was so fast and I think Shaggy was probably ahead of him. I can beat Shaggy and Pipeslice on time trials if I use assists though but when I went to racedepartment, there are people who are second a lap quicker in time trials with no assists than Shaggy and Pipeslice and that worries me as I'm generally a second or two off them with no assists.

Anyway I'm happy with the prestigious 7th place in the 7th GTP F1 WC :P.
 
^Mate, you can't expect to just jump in and find 3-4 seconds. That is all practice..and not time trial practice, race practice..with real people. The time trial physics are too "perfect", they do not simulate the changes in temperatures, grip levels, tyre wear, fuel, etc etc. Its not surprising that you're finding the physics biarrely different.

The main factor for performance is just your mind though. Its different having to race and compete against very competitive humans instead of AI or on your own in time trial. Its easy to drop tenths of a second simply because you are thinking about what everyone else is doing or to feel under pressure when you are losing little bits of time to another driver. With the AI, you know you just need to calm down and lose the mistakes, but with humans its too easy to try and push harder. The AI are completely predictable whereas from one lap to another a human opponent can dramatically pick up speed.
Don't give up, just keep running races online and you will pick up the speed. Don't be too disappointed with your pace as it wasn't too bad when you weren't making mistakes.
 
Saidur I wouldn't spend to much time worrying about time trial times ,those top times did NT just happen in a couple of laps they probably spent hours on it to get each time I don't and never have spent that long in that mode I just use it to learn the track quickly with out ai in the way.i suspect if me and shaggy really put some serious time to time trial then we would be alot higher,but there's no point because with full SIM on the game is totally different,it requires much better throttle control and better braking in time trial there's none of that.a note on why one driver is faster than another,is simply one is more on the limit than the other.always remember tyres have max 100% grip available 1% over and you slide or spin,so the faster guy is always closer to that 100% more of the time.key is to knowing where that limit is.anyway thx to everyone in the league and I look forward to racing you all in the next one in f1 2011.
 
Ardius
^Mate, you can't expect to just jump in and find 3-4 seconds. That is all practice..and not time trial practice, race practice..with real people. The time trial physics are too "perfect", they do not simulate the changes in temperatures, grip levels, tyre wear, fuel, etc etc. Its not surprising that you're finding the physics biarrely different.

The main factor for performance is just your mind though. Its different having to race and compete against very competitive humans instead of AI or on your own in time trial. Its easy to drop tenths of a second simply because you are thinking about what everyone else is doing or to feel under pressure when you are losing little bits of time to another driver. With the AI, you know you just need to calm down and lose the mistakes, but with humans its too easy to try and push harder. The AI are completely predictable whereas from one lap to another a human opponent can dramatically pick up speed.
Don't give up, just keep running races online and you will pick up the speed. Don't be too disappointed with your pace as it wasn't too bad when you weren't making mistakes.
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I tried GP mode practice to get a feel for the lower grip levels but there is no way even with a lot of practice can I get anywhere near Shaggy or Pipeslice's level. I noticed this when I took part in the F1 MTC championship which is just time trialling and I used assists to beat their times. I simply don't understand why I'm not as competitive as I am in other games like GT5 or PC sims with no assists. I hope to find the sweet spot in the physics that allows me to drive at alien speed.

pipeslice
Saidur I wouldn't spend to much time worrying about time trial times ,those top times did NT just happen in a couple of laps they probably spent hours on it to get each time I don't and never have spent that long in that mode I just use it to learn the track quickly with out ai in the way.i suspect if me and shaggy really put some serious time to time trial then we would be alot higher,but there's no point because with full SIM on the game is totally different,it requires much better throttle control and better braking in time trial there's none of that.a note on why one driver is faster than another,is simply one is more on the limit than the other.always remember tyres have max 100% grip available 1% over and you slide or spin,so the faster guy is always closer to that 100% more of the time.key is to knowing where that limit is.anyway thx to everyone in the league and I look forward to racing you all in the next one in f1 2011.
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I'm just worried how easy you guys find it with no assists to drive so fast. Even with assists I struggle to beat your times. I don't think I span out but I guess I was not going fast enough. Like in GT5 on the Mercedes seasonal special event which is a time trial, with ABS and TCS 0, I'm currently ranked 63rd best in the EU who tried the time trial and I have not spent much time on it and I'm just over a second off from top spot. I can see how I can close the gap to about 5-6tenths if I do a decent lap. However this game I just can't see how I get the time and it is not as natural experience to drive as say GT5 or Ferrari Virtual Academy where you can feel the limit better.

By the way did I get in your way because I don't know what happened.

I forget to say congratulations to Shaggy for his Vettel like performance this championship. For the finale, getting pole this race by the narrowest of margins and then winning it, impressive stuff. You must have had more wins than Vettel? The thing is you did it with equal performing cars unlike Vettel :sly:.
 
Ali, we could practice together, if you'd like. I'm still trying to cope with tyre simulation (all other aids disabled, ofc) anyway and it's not as boring if you're having someone you can compare yourself with. :)
 

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