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Hi guys I have been working on a little list to help me choose cars when setting up a server with my buddy's so I thought I would share it here for you fella's to use as well(still have a 10+cars to add)

FERRARI F138.......................................43
FERRARI SF15-T....................................45
LOTUS EXOS 125 STEP1.........................46
LOTUS EXOS 125....................................47
LOTUS 98T.............................................50
FERRARI 312T.........................................54
PORSCHE 911 GT1-98..............................54
FERRARI 599XX EVO................................55
CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7R......................55
LOTUS 72D.............................................55
TATUUS..................................................55
MCLAREN 650S GT3.................................56
FERRARI 458 GT2....................................56
LAMBORGHINI HURACAN..........................56
BMW M3 GT2...........................................56
AUDI R8 LMS ULTRA.................................56
P4/5 COMPETIZIONE 2011.........................56
MCLAREN F1 GTR96..................................58
LOTUS EVORA GTC....................................58
MASERATI GRAN TURISMO MCGT4..............1.00
FERRARI 488GTB......................................1.01
LAMBORGHINI AVENTADOR SV...................1.01
LOTUS 2-ELEVEN.......................................1.02
MCLAREN MP4-12C....................................1.02
MERCEDES 190EVO2..................................1.02
NISSAN GT-R NISMO..................................1.02
FERRARI F40.............................................1.03
ALFA ROMEO 155 V6 TI...............................1.03
BMW M3 E30 GRA92...................................1.03
LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO SUPERLEGGERA....1.03
FORD GT40...............................................1.03
KTM.........................................................1.03
MERCEDES SLS AMG..................................1.03
PORSCHE 908 LH......................................1.03
BMW M3 E30 GRA.....................................1.04
CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7 STINGRAY.........1.04
FERRARI 458 ITALIA.................................1.04
RUF YELLOWBIRD....................................1.04
TOYOTA SUPRA MKIV TIME ATTACK...........1.05
LOTUS EVORA GTE..................................1.05
BMW M4................................................1.06
PORSCHE 718 BOXSTER S......................1.06
LOTUS EXIGE S.....................................1.06
ALFA ROMEO 4C....................................1.07
AUDI SPORT QUATTRO STEP1..................1.07
BMW 1M...............................................1.07
BMW M3 E92.........................................1.07
FORD MUSTANG 2015............................1.07
MAZDA MX5 CUP...................................1.07
LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH......................1.07
BMW Z4 STEP1......................................1.08
FORD ESCORT MK1................................1.08
LOTUS ELISE SC....................................1.08
NISSAN GT-R R34V-SPEC.......................1.08
NISSAN 370Z NISMO.............................1.08
BMW M3 E30........................................1.10
AUDI S1...............................................1.11
LAMBORGHINI MIURA P400SV................1.12
MAZADA MX5 ND..................................1.12
TOYOTA GT86.......................................1.12
ALFA ROMEO GTA..................................1.13
PORSCHE 718 RS60 SPYDER...................1.15
 
9 more cars added

FERRARI F138.................................43
FERRARI SF15-T...............................45
LOTUS EXOS 125 STEP1.........................46
LOTUS EXOS 125...............................47
LOTUS 98T....................................50
PAGANI ZONDA R...............................53
FERRARI 312T.................................54
PORSCHE 911 GT1-98...........................54
SAUBER-MERCEDES C9...........................54
PORSCHE 917/30 SPYDER........................54
MAZDA 787B...................................54
FERRARI 599XX EVO............................55
CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7R.......................55
LOTUS 72D....................................55
TATUUS.......................................55
MCLAREN 650S GT3.............................56
FERRARI 458 GT2..............................56
LAMBORGHINI HURACAN..........................56
BMW M3 GT2...................................56
AUDI R8 LMS ULTRA............................56
P4/5 COMPETIZIONE 2011.......................56
MCLAREN F1 GTR96.............................58
LOTUS EVORA GTC..............................58
LOTUS EVORA GX...............................58
PORSCHE 917K.................................58
PORSCHE CAYMAN GT4 CLUBSPORT...............1.00
MASERATI GRAN TURISMO MCGT4................1.00
FERRARI 488GTB.............................1.01
LAMBORGHINI AVENTADOR SV...................1.01
LOTUS 2-ELEVEN.............................1.02
MCLAREN MP4-12C............................1.02
MERCEDES 190EVO2...........................1.02
NISSAN GT-R NISMO..........................1.02
FERRARI F40................................1.03
ALFA ROMEO 155 V6 TI.......................1.03
BMW M3 E30 GRA92...........................1.03
LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO SUPERLEGGERA..........1.03
FORD GT40..................................1.03
KTM........................................1.03
MERCEDES SLS AMG...........................1.03
PORSCHE 908 LH.............................1.03
BMW M3 E30 GRA.............................1.04
CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7 STINGRAY.............1.04
FERRARI 458 ITALIA.........................1.04
RUF YELLOWBIRD.............................1.04
TOYOTA SUPRA MKIV TIME ATTACK..............1.05
LOTUS EVORA GTE............................1.05
PORSCHE 911 CARRARA RSR 3.0................1.05
BMW M4 AKRAPOVIC...........................1.06
BMW M4.....................................1.06
PORSCHE 718 BOXSTER S......................1.06
LOTUS EXIGE S..............................1.06
ALFA ROMEO 4C..............................1.07
AUDI SPORT QUATTRO STEP1...................1.07
BMW 1M.....................................1.07
BMW M3 E92.................................1.07
FORD MUSTANG 2015..........................1.07
MAZDA MX5 CUP..............................1.07
LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH.......................1.07
BMW Z4 STEP1...............................1.08
FORD ESCORT MK1............................1.08
LOTUS ELISE SC.............................1.08
NISSAN GT-R R34V-SPEC......................1.08
NISSAN 370Z NISMO..........................1.08
BMW M3 E30.................................1.10
AUDI S1....................................1.11
LAMBORGHINI MIURA P400SV...................1.12
MAZADA MX5 ND..............................1.12
TOYOTA GT86................................1.12
ALFA ROMEO GTA.............................1.13
PORSCHE 718 RS60 SPYDER....................1.15
 
FOG-Smokebeer
9 more cars added

FERRARI F138.................................43
FERRARI SF15-T...............................45
LOTUS EXOS 125 STEP1.........................46
LOTUS EXOS 125...............................47
LOTUS 98T....................................50
PAGANI ZONDA R...............................53
FERRARI 312T.................................54
PORSCHE 911 GT1-98...........................54
SAUBER-MERCEDES C9...........................54
PORSCHE 917/30 SPYDER........................54
MAZDA 787B...................................54
FERRARI 599XX EVO............................55
CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7R.......................55
LOTUS 72D....................................55
TATUUS.......................................55
MCLAREN 650S GT3.............................56
FERRARI 458 GT2..............................56
LAMBORGHINI HURACAN..........................56
BMW M3 GT2...................................56
AUDI R8 LMS ULTRA............................56
P4/5 COMPETIZIONE 2011.......................56
MCLAREN F1 GTR96.............................58
LOTUS EVORA GTC..............................58
LOTUS EVORA GX...............................58
PORSCHE 917K.................................58
PORSCHE CAYMAN GT4 CLUBSPORT...............1.00
MASERATI GRAN TURISMO MCGT4................1.00
FERRARI 488GTB.............................1.01
LAMBORGHINI AVENTADOR SV...................1.01
LOTUS 2-ELEVEN.............................1.02
MCLAREN MP4-12C............................1.02
MERCEDES 190EVO2...........................1.02
NISSAN GT-R NISMO..........................1.02
FERRARI F40................................1.03
ALFA ROMEO 155 V6 TI.......................1.03
BMW M3 E30 GRA92...........................1.03
LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO SUPERLEGGERA..........1.03
FORD GT40..................................1.03
KTM........................................1.03
MERCEDES SLS AMG...........................1.03
PORSCHE 908 LH.............................1.03
BMW M3 E30 GRA.............................1.04
CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7 STINGRAY.............1.04
FERRARI 458 ITALIA.........................1.04
RUF YELLOWBIRD.............................1.04
TOYOTA SUPRA MKIV TIME ATTACK..............1.05
LOTUS EVORA GTE............................1.05
PORSCHE 911 CARRARA RSR 3.0................1.05
BMW M4 AKRAPOVIC...........................1.06
BMW M4.....................................1.06
PORSCHE 718 BOXSTER S......................1.06
LOTUS EXIGE S..............................1.06
ALFA ROMEO 4C..............................1.07
AUDI SPORT QUATTRO STEP1...................1.07
BMW 1M.....................................1.07
BMW M3 E92.................................1.07
FORD MUSTANG 2015..........................1.07
MAZDA MX5 CUP..............................1.07
LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH.......................1.07
BMW Z4 STEP1...............................1.08
FORD ESCORT MK1............................1.08
LOTUS ELISE SC.............................1.08
NISSAN GT-R R34V-SPEC......................1.08
NISSAN 370Z NISMO..........................1.08
BMW M3 E30.................................1.10
AUDI S1....................................1.11
LAMBORGHINI MIURA P400SV...................1.12
MAZADA MX5 ND..............................1.12
TOYOTA GT86................................1.12
ALFA ROMEO GTA.............................1.13
PORSCHE 718 RS60 SPYDER....................1.15
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So is this times per car? At what track,tires etc?
 
But one car will drive better on one track against the other car that you drove on the other track don't they .....?:crazy:

Don't be a shame if you didn't understood what I just wrote because .... you know ...it happens to me al the time to .
Greets or something .
 
FOG-Smokebeer
The track is not important just the times set and all cars were tested on the best tyres with min fuel
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Of course the track is important. For example, if you tested them at Tsukuba you'll find a lot of cars that are within about 1 second of each other which will lead you to believe they are closely matched. However, once you take those same cars to a track like Nurb GP that features just about everything you would care to throw at a race car you'll find those cars are now 2-5 seconds apart from each other and nowhere near competitive. Trust me, I learned this the hard way. Judging by your very low lap times I'd guess these are done at a short track and the results will probably not "scale up" to a larger track.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to poo-poo on the work you've done, just trying to help ensure that if you're going to put forth all this work that the data is valid.
 
BrandonW77
Of course the track is important. For example, if you tested them at Tsukuba you'll find a lot of cars that are within about 1 second of each other which will lead you to believe they are closely matched. However, once you take those same cars to a track like Nurb GP that features just about everything you would care to throw at a race car you'll find those cars are now 2-5 seconds apart from each other and nowhere near competitive. Trust me, I learned this the hard way. Judging by your very low lap times I'd guess these are done at a short track and the results will probably not "scale up" to a larger track.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to poo-poo on the work you've done, just trying to help ensure that if you're going to put forth all this work that the data is valid.
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ha ha nice ...... poo poo love the expression 👍
 
svenvangent
ha ha nice ...... poo poo love the expression 👍
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:) Well I'm really not trying to be down on him at all, just trying to help because I've made the mistake of testing at short tracks before only to find out the results don't scale up proportionally to larger circuits which meant all that data collection was a waste. I find Nurb GP to be a great test track, it has a little bit of everything and if cars are fairly equal there they'll likely be fairly equal at most tracks (except outliers like Le Mans with really long straights or Magione which strongly favors low speed handling). The short versions of Nurb GP are good too.
 
BrandonW77
:) Well I'm really not trying to be down on him at all, just trying to help because I've made the mistake of testing at short tracks before only to find out the results don't scale up proportionally to larger circuits which meant all that data collection was a waste. I find Nurb GP to be a great test track, it has a little bit of everything and if cars are fairly equal there they'll likely be fairly equal at most tracks (except outliers like Le Mans with really long straights or Magione which strongly favors low speed handling). The short versions of Nurb GP are good too.
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I'm in the same boot great that FOG-Smokebeer give us this info it was just that I liked the poo poo expression
 
BrainsBush
Great work!! Based on the times you would say it is Silverstone National? Did I get to the next round?
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I tried the Tatuus, Lotus 72D and 650S GT3 at RBR national. I clocked similar times, running only 2 laps. These 3 cars did 55s in the OP, though I'm not sure they would be similar times after i did 10 laps and got comfortable with them.
 
good guess there BrainsBush :cheers: the list is nearly done I will post it later I had to give up trying the old v6 v12 maserati:banghead:
 
Me old mate smoke! Just got this game, looking for some race action. What nights are you on normally? Be good to catch up.
 
ok just about finished and a few adjustments made the 1.07 or 1.08 road cars can be a lot of fun well I hope someone finds it useful enjoy :)

FERRARI F138.................................43
FERRARI SF15-T...............................45
LOTUS EXOS 125 STEP1.........................46
PORSCHE 919 HYBRID 2015......................46
LOTUS EXOS 125...............................47
LOTUS 98T....................................50
PAGANI ZONDA R...............................53
FERRARI FXXK.................................53
FERRARI 312T.................................54
PORSCHE 911 GT1-98...........................54
SAUBER-MERCEDES C9...........................54
PORSCHE 917/30 SPYDER........................54
PORSCHE 962 C LONG TAIL......................54
MAZDA 787B...................................54
FERRARI 599XX EVO............................55
PORSCHE 911 RSR 2017.........................55
CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7R.......................55
LOTUS 72D....................................55
TATUUS.......................................55
SCUDERIA GLICKENHAUS SCG003..................56
FERRARI LAFERRARI............................56
MCLAREN 650S GT3.............................56
FERRARI 458 GT2..............................56
LAMBORGHINI HURACAN..........................56
BMW M3 GT2...................................56
AUDI R8 LMS ULTRA............................56
P4/5 COMPETIZIONE 2011.......................56
PORSCHE 918 SPYDER...........................56
PORSCHE 935/78 MOBY DICK.....................57
PAGANI HUAYRA................................57
PRAGA R1.....................................57
FERRARI 458 ITALIA STAGE 3...................58
MCLAREN F1 GTR96.............................58
LOTUS EVORA GTC..............................58
LOTUS 49.....................................58
MCLAREN P1...................................58
LOTUS EVORA GX...............................58
PORSCHE 917K.................................58
FERRARI F40 STEP 3...........................59
AUDI SPORT QUATTRO S1 E2...................1.00(VERY SHORT ON GEARS)
PORSCHE CAYMAN GT4 CLUBSPORT...............1.00
MASERATI GRAN TURISMO MCGT4................1.00
BMW M3 E30 GRA92...........................1.01
ALFA ROMEO 155 V6 TI.......................1.01
PORSCHE 911 GT3 RS.........................1.01
LAMBORGHINI AVENTADOR SV...................1.01
FERRARI 488GTB.............................1.01
LAMBORGHINI AVENTADOR SV...................1.01
PORSCHE 911 R..............................1.02
BMW M235I RACING...........................1.02
LOTUS 2-ELEVEN.............................1.02
MCLAREN MP4-12C............................1.02
MERCEDES 190EVO2...........................1.02
NISSAN GT-R NISMO..........................1.02
FERRARI 458 ITALIA.........................1.02
RUF RT12 R.................................1.02
RUF RT12 R AWD.............................1.02
PORSCHE 911 TURBO S........................1.02
AUDI R8 PLUS...............................1.03
FERRARI F40................................1.03
LAMBORGHINI GALLARDO SUPERLEGGERA..........1.03
FORD GT40..................................1.03
KTM........................................1.03
MERCEDES SLS AMG...........................1.03
PORSCHE 908 LH.............................1.03
MAZDA RX 7 TUNED...........................1.03
LOTUS EXIGE 240R STAGE 3...................1.04
BMW M3 E30 GRA.............................1.04
CHEVROLET CORVETTE C7 STINGRAY.............1.04
RUF YELLOWBIRD.............................1.04
TOYOTA SUPRA MKIV TIME ATTACK..............1.05
LOTUS EVORA GTE............................1.05
PORSCHE 911 CARRARA RSR 3.0................1.05
PORSCHE BOXSTER S PDK......................1.05
PORSCHE 718 CAYMAN S.......................1.05
BMW 1M STAGE 3.............................1.06
BMW M4 AKRAPOVIC...........................1.06
BMW M4.....................................1.06
PORSCHE 718 BOXSTER S......................1.06
LOTUS EXIGE S..............................1.06
LOTUS EXIGE SCURA..........................1.06
BMW M3 E92 STEP 1..........................1.06
LOTUS EXIGE 240R...........................1.07
ALFA ROMEO 4C..............................1.07
AUDI SPORT QUATTRO STEP1...................1.07
BMW 1M.....................................1.07
BMW M3 E92.................................1.07
FORD MUSTANG 2015..........................1.07
MAZDA MX5 CUP..............................1.07
LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH.......................1.07
MAZDA RX7 SPIRIT R.........................1.07
AUDI SPORT QUATTRO.........................1.08
BMW Z4 STEP1...............................1.08
FORD ESCORT MK1............................1.08
LOTUS ELISE SC.............................1.08
NISSAN GT-R R34V-SPEC......................1.08
NISSAN 370Z NISMO..........................1.08
ABARTH 500 ASSETTO CORSE...................1.08
TOYOTA SUPRA MKIV..........................1.08
PORSCHE CAYENNE TURBO S....................1.09
TOYOTA AE86 TUNED..........................1.09
BMW M3 E30.................................1.10
LOTUS 25...................................1.11
AUDI S1....................................1.11
ALFA ROMEO GIULIETTA QV....................1.11
LAMBORGHINI MIURA P400SV...................1.12
MAZADA MX5 ND..............................1.12
TOYOTA GT86................................1.12
ABARTH 500 SS step 1..............................1.12
ABARTH 500 SS..............................1.13
ALFA ROMEO MITO QV.........................1.13
ALFA ROMEO GTA.............................1.13
PORSCHE 718 RS60 SPYDER....................1.15
TOYOTA AE86................................1.19
 
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