A-spec, Expert Class Non-Racing Car Challenge: Suzuka Circuit

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Grinsomat
Well, if you like it when there are 11 opponents and you only need to overtake 3 on the track and the rest falls of track, if you call that racing, well than you are right, great event!

I always try to avoid contact and have clean and fair but hard racing, but I do not like to think for the AI to avoid a crash.
Why do we have those catch the rabbit races? Because only of the rubbish AI.
If there was a Quallify mode the AI would totally fail. So with this, catch up from behind, it doesn`T matter how bad the AI really is, you need to overtake all opponents to get Gold, wether you take a powerfull or less PP car ( I took A McLaren MP4-12C`10 with 550 PP and Sports Hard tyres and managed to win with 3 secs ahaead without a scratch, hurray, how boring! )
If you ever played anything else than GT6 then you know that this AI is fail and those seasonal events are not really about racing than just how to get round running roadblocks!

I do not see it as racing to pass 11 opponents in 5 laps! I more like to race 5 laps ( or better 30, 60 laps ) and have a great battle for position with one or 2 drivers who have the equal pace. Then it does not matter where you end up, if you just have a great battle which is hard and fair!
And the earnings in those events are just a big laughter, why are they so low? I think we all know!
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Its just a game can't understand the anger here :boggled:

try and have some fun with it , ;)
You might surprise yourself
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LS Chiou
AIs are not slow. They are just not consistent, changing pace by laps or even by sections. They tend to brake too hard in the S bends, but in some other occasions, they are unbelievably fast.

Once I catched up to a position of 6th or 7th and met Zonda 7.3 ahead of me. I thought I was catching up from behind, so I would soon overtake him, but wrong ! He just pulled away so fast that I felt I was on a bike. What the h... ?

And, to those who feel frustrated or just give up, don't believe what they say it's easy blah blah blah. It's not.

I failed many times on Veyron and Diablo GT. Gave up on X-bow. Almost there but still failed on Ford GT. Finally won on NSX LM road car. A second won on Nissan R390 road car. Margin was not generous. (slightly better on R390)

You don't have too much freedom for mistakes, yet have to push the car very hard at the same time. Not to mention those AIs are almost always occupy the crucial line you need on this narrow track. Annoyingly, the penalty is not fair - sometimes you got hit and also the penalty. Funniest, the AIs seem much faster than you when driving out of the sand...


Here are my suggestions:

Avoid overtaking in the S bends, or you got to do it carefully and decisively by taking the inside line (of each individual bend). It's OK to cut corners here, no penalty. Don't try the outside line, or stay there and wait to the next.

Take some time to get familiar with AI's behaviors - mainly the braking point - to avoid ramming on their butts.

Be careful when fighting for the corner's entrance, the AI might overcook. So if you try late brake too hard, you might overcook it, too. Take note of what your own braking points really are.

And the track consists of mostly high speed bends with long straights, so I recommend high power MR cars with long wheelbase, which would be a good combination of high cornering capability and the crucial stability for survival.

You'd need a car with additional operating margin around the limit, for taking different lines or different braking points etc. Some cars are more compliant than others.

You may need practice/tuning for at least 1 or 2 laps in free run to make sure if the car is a proper choice. 2:02 lap time is your goal. You do this in free run, and will mostly get 2 or 3 secs more per lap in the first few laps because busy on the crowded traffic. Slower than this, you'd need huge luck.

Good luck and have fun. (if it's not fun, it's not your fault, just pick another car... )
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It was really easy IF u have used specific cars in the race, mine is GTR SpecV'09, may try other MR road cars later, good money in short race as well!
 
Easy with Shaun's NSX tune. I only raced it once and was on my way to a win until I got a 5 sec penalty on the second to the last turn. Ended up second. I'll tackle it again. The World Cup is taking up my time. ;)
 
WhoosierGirl
It seems I am in the minority here, I really enjoyed this one. Instead of trying to beat the field by lap 2, I used the lower pp GT40 from the Roma seasonal and tried to setup up all the AI's so I could make clean passes. I never put myself in an unrealistic passing position and planned ahead before committing to where and when I would pass. I was able to win a few times without a mark on the car.
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I am still really enjoying this also WhoosierGirl :)

I don't think we are in the minority some how ( Those who play the game and enjoy it for what it is ) and are enjoying these new seasonals.
I just think that some who post on GT Planet are frustrated with the game and have an axe to grind with PD. ( I am not saying their reasons aren't valid either )

Each to their own I suppose , but as always you can't please everyone. :)

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LotusTeam
Calm down people! It is supposed to be fun, I also think AI is weak and silly, but we should accept that behavior for AI has long been unfair, if u have tried the NASCAR event in offline racing, u could see what I mean, all cars would slam u at the back as soon as u take lead and result that I gave up already!
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People wipeout in real nascar too but that usually happend when the drivers is too close too each other or the driver wipeout his/her self
 
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Hmm... our definitions of 'easy' are obviously different.

My version is: "for any event, jump in any car fulfilled the limit, give it a go, and win in the first approach, or at least catching the point and win in the next try in the same car'

The effort of trying, restart or quit, changing another car... etc is not what I'd call 'easy'. That kind of process is annoying. Especially when it comes with other unfair factors of the 'race' itself. (well, yeah I agree with some people's opinion that such catching up game is not a proper race to begin with... )

Of course eventually we can overcome all the hassle and win, so it's finally joyful, but let's not call it easy so easily. It's pride to say that and it's a mock to those who get troubles.

I think this is the major problem of this forum - there're always people jumping out and bragging 'it's easy' to each and every thing in the game. So, what does that mean? Others are relatively retarded or disabled or what? It's really annoying. And you know, real great drivers don't brag, at least not in public. Alright, maybe it's the common problem caused by too much testosterone.

Another type of fun spoiler is the endless curse to the game and PD. If you got some other superior games, congratulations, good for you, it's wonderful. It's perfectly fine if you got some delicate cuisine, but please don't spit into others meals. Spitting into the meals won't make it better. You could just go and enjoy your better games. Poor as we are, we're here just trying to have some fun with GT.

Just my 2c.
 
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LS Chiou
believe what they say it's easy blah blah blah. It's not.
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Nice to read I'm not the only one.
I did manage to win a few times (best win with 17" lead) but it took me the whole afternoon. Tried several cars, came in last a few times, got penalized a lot (for no reason as for AI hitting me)... Etc...

One time, just before the hairpin, the AI in front of me slammed the brakes to come to a full stop, just to let another AI back on track after going off. I did not really expect that, slammed in to him and took a 5" penalty...came at the hairpin...another AI pushes me really hard into the gravel...I got a penalty again...regained the track where I was pushed into a crash barrier, which gave me a third penalty (3" this time). Come on...:mad:

There are several (a lot) different scenarios.
Some of them let you win fairly easy, some of them make it (for me that is) impossible to win, even with the same car.

One race (in the McLaren that gave me some wins allready) I was reeling in the AI (which seemed slower than in other races). Plowed trough the field really fast, without being hit, just to find out the leading two AI were +20" ahead with two laps to go. I gave it all I had and finished third, 18" behind the winner ...

In some races I did not see any AI crash, however, I did see them cut corners, obviously without penalty...
Other races, half of them dissappeared in dust clouds :D

Can you win ? Yes
Easy ? Mostly... NO !

Have fun, don't give up !
 
LS Chiou
Hmm... our definitions of 'easy' are obviously different.

My version is: "for any event, jump in any car fulfilled the limit, give it a go, and win in the first approach, or at least catching the point and win in the next try in the same car'

The effort of trying, restart or quit, changing another car... etc is not what I'd call 'easy'. That kind of process is annoying. Especially when it comes with other unfair factors of the 'race' itself. (well, yeah I agree with some people's opinion that such catching up game is not a proper race to begin with... )

Of course eventually we can overcome all the hassle and win, so it's finally joyful, but let's not call it easy so easily. It's pride to say that and it's a mock to those who get troubles.

I think this is the major problem of this forum - there're always people jumping out and bragging 'it's easy' to each and every thing in the game. So, what does that mean? Others are relatively retarded or disabled or what? It's really annoying. And you know, real great drivers don't brag, at least not in public. Alright, maybe it's the common problem caused by too much testosterone.

Another type of fun spoiler is the endless curse to the game and PD. If you got some other superior games, congratulations, good for you, it's wonderful. It's perfectly fine if you got some delicate cuisine, but please don't spit into others meals. Spitting into the meals won't make it better. You could just go and enjoy your better games. Poor as we are, we're here just trying to have some fun with GT.

Just my 2c.
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So, your saying the definition of easy should be defined by your skill level? :rolleyes: What about 7 year old little "Johnny" who has more trouble than just "winning in just a few tries" such as you seemingly describe. What if it takes him 8-10 tries to accomplish the same task as you? (So, what does that mean? Others he are is relatively retarded or disabled or what? - your silly statement, not mine.) Now, that would make you just as guilty as the rest of us that you are chastizing when we say a certain something in the game is easy.:sly: You see how this works. ;)

You see, the term "easy" as it relates to this game is relative to each persons skill set. What you say is easy may not seem easy for someone else of still lesser skill set.(Remember little Johnny?) For this game to be truly easy for everyone, it would have to be Mario Kart like and even then it still not be truely easy for everyone.

What I really find irritating is when people get butt hurt because someone may say, "that was easy" and then they think of those people as bragging. :rolleyes: I myself have said that very phrase before, many times in fact, and I can assure you that I was not bragging or otherwise trying to belittle anyone with a lesser skill set as mine. When I say things like that, I mean that they were easy for me and my skill level, simple as that. I DO NOT mean that the event was easy and should be easily completed by everyone else, nor again, am I bragging. That's the real problem here is people like you that get their feelings hurt just because someone says something was easy. You really need to lighten up and just let those little statements go with a grain of salt because if I got upset everytime somebody said something was easy and I found that I was having a hard time with it, I'd be going more crazy than I already am. :lol: And yes, as hard as it may be for you to believe, it has happened to me also, even with someone with my amazing skill set. :rolleyes::P:lol::lol: I don't get all crazy about it and think those people are bragging because I know they are most generally speaking in terms of their own skill level, not mine. It just makes me try that much more harder to try and improve, that's all. The sooner you come to terms with that, the better you'll feel, trust me. :)

As for your last paragraph, I really think you're over reacting yet again.:rolleyes: You see, I too have other games that I play. You may have even come across a recent post of mine where I said that I was thinking of going to the "other" game for awhile because I have grown tired and frustrated with this game and its flaws. Does that mean that I consider that "other" game a "delicate cuisine" and that I am "spitting into others/yours meals" No, not one bit. Again, an over reaction on your part. What it does mean is just what I stated above (grown tired of and frustrated with the game and PD) and that I just need a change of pace for awhile and to wait and see if PD fixes some of the crap that's wrong with the game. Now does that mean that I think that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence? Of course not, that would be very foolish of me because I am rational enough to know that every game is going to have its flaws or short comings....but at least they will be new flaws that I will have to deal with and not the same old ones I have been dealing with here with GT. You see, I am not a "fanboy" of any certain game nor do I blindly worship any certain developer/company. Therefore, that makes me unbiased towards any game and I enjoy them each for what they are until I lose interest or just become frustrated with one or the other. I don't play PC games but I don't have the attitude that you have just because I hear them speak highly of those games. I really just consider it for what it is, their opinion and what they chose to play. I feel no need to cover my plate to guard against them spitting in my meal when those statements are made.:rolleyes::lol: Again, you really need to lighten up and let the little things go....again, you will feel much better. 👍

And yes I know, this advice coming from someone that's wound up like an 8 day clock. :lol: But you know, I am learning the meaning of the word "relax" myself which makes be as good as candidate as any to speak on the subject. Have fun with the game the way you see fit and don't sweat the small stuff. :cheers:
 
Pagani 7.3 with weight red 3 and ballast to make it 50/50 distribution and a 6 speed transmission with sports soft can ruin this event with no power upgrades.
 
joeledward
Its just a game can't understand the anger here :boggled:

try and have some fun with it , ;)
You might surprise yourself
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Yes, I almost sense a sense of humour from PD with the AI here. The Speed 12 dashing off only to go off 2 or 3 times is a giggle. Fighting the AI cars side by side around those big curves...there is a new added element in having to watch your mirrors for the AI. The back markers are even much less aggressive compared to the front runners. It's Revenge of the AI, who hasn't rammed and punted AI themselves?
 
Another car I used for this event and had the most fun with so far was the Diablo GT. Not fast enough stock but add a mid range turbo and away she goes! She can be a little dicey sometimes, but after getting used to her, you can use the power slides to your advantage. Makes for some cool replay footage!

Cheers
 
I'm just going to come outand say it. After about 20 plus runs I thoroughly enjoyed this one.

Discovered so many cars in my garage that I havent bothered before. My car for the race has to be the Tommy. I cannot leave it alone since trying it out.
 
I recently made it with my favourite car, the Nissan GT-R. I managed to overtake the leader on 4th lap
Here's a video.
 
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@shaunm80 delivered the goods. I was even pleased with my last (fastest) lap.

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Pics taken on my iPod so I apologise if they come out sideways. They display fine on here.
 
After trying out several cars, the Nissan GTR Spec V proved the best choice. Got Gold after the second try due to ramming penalties (hit from behind).
There are several scenarios for this race which, for some, are pretty comical. I was behind 4 cars just as we went under the bridge and all 4 cars flew off into the sand ?? Another race had me right behind the leader ( C12) and on the final lap, he went too hot into the chicane before the start/finish and slammed into the tire wall :-)
I keep running this race just to see all of the variations. Nice change from TT
 
RCKakashi14
So far, I have won the race with these cars:

KTM X-Bow Street
Honda NSX Type R LM Prototype Road Car
Lamborghini Aventador
Tommy Kaira ZZII
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I have also won with those too.... and these.....

Nissan R390 Road Car
Enzo Ferrari '02
Ford GT '05
McLaren MP4-12C

Have tried and won with almost all of the cars that I've seen used by the AI system so far, and with a few that I haven't seen in recruitment yet.
 
I used an FXX, non-SRF, ABS 1, and TCS 3. I made some mistakes, but I was able to win the race against the McLaren F1 and the Pagani Huayra. The TVR Speed 12 was in the race, but I guess it tried to overshoot the hairpin or the Spoon curve.
 
@ GTP_CargoRatt,

Thanks for your long post. I'm not going to quote it, and will make this as short as I can.

Is my #96 post a complain? Sure, it is. Do I aim at anyone? No. That's a complain in general. A complain about common sense and kind manner, or the lack of them. Oh, this is a reply to your post, but please note that all the following is not aiming at you personally. It's in general, too.

The majority are just mediocre, it's a plain fact. And I'm old enough to know I'm one of them. Thank god I'm well over the age to prove myself. So far so good.

OTOH, how many times have you read "it's easy" right after "I'm frustrated" or "I just can't do it" ? I lost count.

Except "I'm just better than you", is there any other meaning to the 'conversation' above? If that's not bragging, what is?

And, after those plain and simple "It's easy", how many people would admit "I'm frustrated" and asking for help in the following? That's how it works, it shuts people up. (so, in this regard, those who pressed 'like' button to my previous post are honest and brave, or at least sympathetic)

Bragging is easy and it's free. No big deal. But, it's all relative. How hard is it to consider the feel of those who got trouble and also have to bear other's brags? As mentioned above, yes I know I'm just one of the mediocre majority, so there must be quite a few people doing better than me. I suck. I already know that. I know, really.

But, guys, do I have to take that reminder over and over again? No, please don't. Not in such a straight cut.

It's just like, we shouldn't call a fatty, er, fatty in public, plainly, loudly, repeatedly. The one stepping on other's foot doesn't feel the pain, we should be careful not to do it.

So, please, don't just say "it's easy" so simply right after other's trouble. It's only showing "you're better" & "that guy is lousy", nothing else. I know, we know, the difficulty is relative and it really can be easy to some. We already know that. Then what?

Why can't we do it in a better way? In reply to someone's trouble, it's way better to give effective advices than just a plain sentence like "It's easy, what are you crying about?" and nothing else.

I'm not saying the forum is not working, people don't help. Many are helpful as I've read, indeed. But among the threads, there're too many unecessary, useless and uncomfortable brags. I'm fine myself, it just feels bad to see that.

For those few talents, congratulations. You must already have lots of joy in doing something great. So I'm not going to gild the lilly.

As to the other issue, I'd leave it as that as this is kind of OT too much already.

Peace.

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After I read this, I go for those cars, of course.

F40 is not my choice for such a crowded fight. And I can't do consistent enough lap time anyway, so I didn't actually bring it to the event.

Enzo Ferrari did it, though. And funny I did it mostly in 2:05 or worse per lap but eventually won. That leading Mclaren F1 rushed out into the sand and I took the lucky chance.

And then I tried Zonda 7.3, great car. Won by a close call.

TVR Speed 12, failed. Tuned down to 600pp makes it feel so heavy and slow.

Tried Lamborghini Aventador, too, failed twice. I did better and more consistent lap time then in Enzo but very bad luck -- got hit and penalty at the same time in the last lap, very near the finish, TWICE. Argh ~~

I'd like to try Ford GT again....
 
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Having a blast with this one. So far I've picked up the W with:

CIEN '02, GT-R Black Edition, Merecedes Benz AMG VGT, Enzo Ferrari '02, SLS AMG '10, MP4-12C '10, One-77 '11, Murcielago LP 670-5 SuperVeloce and Le Mans quattro '03.

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also won with: ZZII '00, Ford GT '06, Zonda C12S '00, Corvette Z06 (C6) '06, TZ3 Stradale '11, XJ220 '92 and GT by Citroen Road Car
 
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LS Chiou
@ GTP_CargoRatt,

Thanks for your long post. I'm not going to quote it, and will make this as short as I can.

Is my #96 post a complain? Sure, it is. Do I aim at anyone? No. That's a complain in general. A complain about common sense and kind manner, or the lack of them. Oh, this is a reply to your post, but please note that all the following is not aiming at you personally. It's in general, too.

The majority are just mediocre, it's a plain fact. And I'm old enough to know I'm one of them. Thank god I'm well over the age to prove myself. So far so good.

OTOH, how many times have you read "it's easy" right after "I'm frustrated" or "I just can't do it" ? I lost count.

Except "I'm just better than you", is there any other meaning to the 'conversation' above? If that's not bragging, what is?

And, after those plain and simple "It's easy", how many people would admit "I'm frustrated" and asking for help in the following? That's how it works, it shuts people up. (so, in this regard, those who pressed 'like' button to my previous post are honest and brave, or at least sympathetic)

Bragging is easy and it's free. No big deal. But, it's all relative. How hard is it to consider the feel of those who got trouble and also have to bear other's brags? As mentioned above, yes I know I'm just one of the mediocre majority, so there must be quite a few people doing better than me. I suck. I already know that. I know, really.

But, guys, do I have to take that reminder over and over again? No, please don't. Not in such a straight cut.

It's just like, we shouldn't call a fatty, er, fatty in public, plainly, loudly, repeatedly. The one stepping on other's foot doesn't feel the pain, we should be careful not to do it.

So, please, don't just say "it's easy" so simply right after other's trouble. It's only showing "you're better" & "that guy is lousy", nothing else. I know, we know, the difficulty is relative and it really can be easy to some. We already know that. Then what?

Why can't we do it in a better way? In reply to someone's trouble, it's way better to give effective advices than just a plain sentence like "It's easy, what are you crying about?" and nothing else.

I'm not saying the forum is not working, people don't help. Many are helpful as I've read, indeed. But among the threads, there're too many unecessary, useless and uncomfortable brags. I'm fine myself, it just feels bad to see that.

For those few talents, congratulations. You must already have lots of joy in doing something great. So I'm not going to gild the lilly.

As to the other issue, I'd leave it as that as this is kind of OT too much already.

Peace.
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Kind of like skiing, an expert doesn't ski a green circle or blue square run then complain it was too easy, they find the black (or double) diamonds and enjoy them for what it is. If the resort is still too easy they go off piste or somewhere else. Good skiers and golfers don't diss or put down Beginners or intermediates.
 
Just won this race with the Corvette Stingray C7.
Very fun race with sometimes a bit aggressive AI, but I don't mind :D

Gonna give it another go tomorrow with another car with lower PP!
 
1. The appropriate definition of easy is 'any race I can win while glassy-eyed from too much bourbon'. I have won this race while glassy-eyed from too much bourbon, therefore it is appropriately deemed 'easy'.

2. I personally find this race quite difficult, and I've only won at once (while glassy-eyed from too much bourbon, no-less). Twitchy, muscular MRs on technical tracks aren't easy to drive (for me at least).

3. Put a scratch golfer and a 20 handicapper in a foursome and I'll bet you dollars to donuts the scratch golfer is far more concerned with his own score than what the duffer is doing. Don't take it personal when the better drivers comment on the relative ease with which they've completed an event -- they're more interested in catching the guys in front of them than what the rest of us are doing behind them.

4. I like the penalties, and I wish there was a more complete 'clean racing' mode of some sort, perhaps as an option. It'd be nice to see this in beginner and intermediate races too.
 
This might not be a perfect event, and it's not (yet) enough to make up for other shortcomings in the game. But I have logged into the game for five days in a row for the first time in months to keep trying out different machines. Once I got the hang of what the AI were going to do, bringing a car home without a scratch is challenge enough. Well, for now.

So far my favorite is the VW Nardo W12. No power adjustments besides Oil change but with full adj suspension and trans and I've been tweaking until I have a rocket sled. Tweaking is something else I haven't done much of in the past.

PD has succeeded in getting me to spend time in the game again. So mission accomplished. Keep it up. I hope we go onto the GT5 schedule of time trials one week, races the next.
 

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