A-spec Intermediate Level Non-Racing Car Challenge: Matterhorn Dristelen
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- 48
- Montreal
The RUF CTR2 '96 is fast as hell on this track. I'm still banging out the tune, but it's faster then the CSL. Just not as stable. Wanna give the suspension a shot?Thanks.This was one of the cars which came out of a FITT event I ran some time ago that really struck a chord with all the testers. It made sense to make it a 500PP SH beast for events like this.
You really can push this car around this track and passing opponents on track is great fun. I think the best lap I have had so far with this tune is about a 1.11.5xx or something. Not too bad considering the lack of power parts added.
Transmission is at 220km
1 4.735
2 2.998
3 2.158
4 1.709
5 1.381
6 1.163
Final 2.889
No power parts.
- 2,273
- United States
- G_ASHER
I came up against the R390, Zonda, and a Viper. Got it second try with the Dualnote prize car from the beginner seasonal. Hard suspension, gearbox, no other mods. It wasn't easy, and sloppy as heck, but I did it. As has been said, the most difficult of the three. I'm going back with @shaunm80's BMW, it's good for a high 1:10 in free run.
- 449
- Medina, Ohio
- Disabled_Racer
The Hyundai Tiburon GT performs surprising well in this seasonal.
Tried the bmw csl with @shaunm80 tune. The car was running about 1:10 or so laps, but felt like a fr car. I levelled the car at 75 front and back, took all the camber out, removed front toe and back is at .02. I also changed anti-roll bars to 5-7.
For me the car is much better like that and drives almost mr. I picked up about 2.5 seconds a lap and nearly 10mph in many turns. This car is pretty wicked, think it's my fastest bmw by a decent amount at 500pp.
For me the car is much better like that and drives almost mr. I picked up about 2.5 seconds a lap and nearly 10mph in many turns. This car is pretty wicked, think it's my fastest bmw by a decent amount at 500pp.
- 7,175
- Exeter
- morans1980
I might have to try out these changes and see if they suit my driving style. 2.5 seconds a lap is a great improvement.
At this point in time, I do not have enough time to solve this one. With my uni placement and other tunes which are half complete, it will be too much. However, I do have a CTR2 tune in my garage which you can borrow the suspension settings from. It might be worth seeing if they work for this track?
Dotini
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- 15,742
- Seattle
- CR80_Shifty
I really like this course and race.
Here's a setup that runs steadily in the '10's and '11's, takes the first kink in the straight without much slowing, and flies through the 2nd kink flat out, then outbrakes everyone else to a ridiculous degree. The blind downhill left is laughably fast; you kill them here. No SRF, no active steering, no ASM, TC 1.
Lotus Elise '11 with flat floor
500PP, 289 hp, 957 kg. 45:55
80 80
4.8 8.4
7 7
6 6
2 4
0 0
-6 +10
4/2
AT autoset 162 mph
10-8-20
Stage 1, Hi-rpm turbo, PL 95.7%
DF 20
96 kg @ -50
Here's a setup that runs steadily in the '10's and '11's, takes the first kink in the straight without much slowing, and flies through the 2nd kink flat out, then outbrakes everyone else to a ridiculous degree. The blind downhill left is laughably fast; you kill them here. No SRF, no active steering, no ASM, TC 1.
Lotus Elise '11 with flat floor
500PP, 289 hp, 957 kg. 45:55
80 80
4.8 8.4
7 7
6 6
2 4
0 0
-6 +10
4/2
AT autoset 162 mph
10-8-20
Stage 1, Hi-rpm turbo, PL 95.7%
DF 20
96 kg @ -50
- 179
- Netherlands
- jargsnork
I was scrolling through my around 500pp car list and stmbled upon a honda cr-z a (yes the hybrid), with al performance parts added it managed to get 498 pp and after 7 tries oftuning and learning the circuit i managed to win from a f40 an a v12 vantage, maybe the nissan r390 was in the race but i can't remember. Was fun to do
- 392
- Queens, New York City
I'd been crowing about how easily I won the race using a Suzuki GSX-R/4 but that was merely the luck of the draw. Most races I can easily win if I finish around 5:29.xxx to 5:31.xxx. I need to run some 1:11, 1:10: 1:09 laps and get a draft. That's hard because on at least some laps you meet an AI rival car at some critical turn and there's no easy way around them especially if they're grouped. I've come across groups of three freaking AI cars either strung or bunched together and there nothing that can be done about it. Anyway, I've since run races where the two lead cars are Ferrari's or Nissan Road Car combos and they finish the race at 5:25 or 5:26. I don't think there's any way in the world a car that meets 500 PP can beat them. I've tried a half dozen cars like the X-Bow and the Nissan Road Car. It's ridiculous because the lead cars start halfway around the course ahead of you. They're only loafing along turning 1:20 to 1:22 laps and I'm busting my ass. I'm not complaining because I can just pull up another race but I'm just saying. It's really frustrating to know there are car combos I absolutely cannot beat no matter how hard I try. I see someone was able to run a 5:19 race and it simply astounds me. I didn't think it was possible but knowing how good some of these racers are I shouldn't be surprised. That's way, way out of my league. Amazing.
I don't really get the point of giving such a huge lead to the AI cars but it's likely to give better spacing. It's definitely a good thing, because it makes me push that much harder. I always wondered how the people that make the race determine the handicap. Anyway, I'm having a lot of fun with the race as it isn't as easy as I first thought it was.
I don't really get the point of giving such a huge lead to the AI cars but it's likely to give better spacing. It's definitely a good thing, because it makes me push that much harder. I always wondered how the people that make the race determine the handicap. Anyway, I'm having a lot of fun with the race as it isn't as easy as I first thought it was.
Long story short if you get car running under 1:10 laps the race gets a lot easier.
Here's why
If the car I was using turned normal 1:10-1:11 laps I frequently got caught in traffic in the worst spots. In the second high speed left I can take it averaging around 118-120 mph. If I hit traffic there I'm lucky to average 100. That turn sets you up into a straight then fairly sharp left then up steep hill. I carry a ton of speed through there, there gear recommendation indicator says 1st and I usually keep it in third gear up that hill. Hitting traffic at the second turn kills the flow.
If the car I'm using runs 1:09's are better I hit that traffic in the main straight away and turn 1 where it's easy to pass. Making race quite easier.
- 604
- Portugal
- Lilium_55
This is actually way easier than I thought after the first try. just grab the Dualnoe you just won, upgrade the transmission parts, leave the normal suspension, or don't get a hard one, and its super easy.
the car glues itself on the elevations, and inclinations, you just have to have a bit of throttle control, and you've won. Even with GT-R's, and other fast rabbits
the car glues itself on the elevations, and inclinations, you just have to have a bit of throttle control, and you've won. Even with GT-R's, and other fast rabbits
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I ran 1:07.5 or so in the bmw csl, but I prefer nsx because of the premium interior. I've done a crazy amount of lap here's, but imo the key to best laps is having a almost neutral car with a touch of oversteer. If you go wide on turns its easy to step the rear out a tiny bit just to get you pointed in right direction, like just barely slipping the rear out. Also on the steep uphill section you can go full throttle with almost no wheel spin. The amount of speed you can take that blind left is crazy.
I use ds3, but I play gran turismo since first game, and with my controller settings I'm as fast as a decent amount of wheel users. I can post nsx tune I use if you want it
- 392
- Queens, New York City
Using the NSX-R I definitely did turn faster laps and finished at 5:26.9xx, and I did run into some traffic. I see your advantage. You do manual shifting. Years ago I used manual but now that I'm starting back I've been using Auto. You're right about the gears because it seems like the engine is slightly struggling on the hills but there's nothing I can do. I didn't want to start going manual until I get a wheel and paddles or shifter. I'm glad I read your comments because I'm definitely encouraged, but I don't see any 5:19 in the cards because I was only able to turn mid 1:09s and I thought I was flying. I'll use your tips the best I can but without manual shifting it's going to be a lot harder. I used to use downshifts to throw out the rear but I can only do that now by biasing the brakes. I wish to work out my own settings by trial and error but thanks for asking to help.
That blind left is fast if you catch the angle just right. I have to let off the throttle slightly but I think the speed is about 112 or so for me. Unfortunately, I've nailed a few AI cars going through at a more leisurely pace. I think I'm also losing fair amount of time at the final downhill into the left semicircle. It's hard for me to judge the proper braking point on the downhill and I err on the side of caution. I've run about 20 races and it does seem to be getting a bit easier. I'm not going to go crazy but I'll keep practicing and try other cars.
Wow, I couldn't imagine running auto, 1:09 seems really fast for automatic.
Using the gears is a huge part of my driving style. I use L2 and R2 for brake and throttle so I have accurate control, and use right thumbstick to shift up and down. Being able to flick in between gears is crucial to my driving style.
I tried your m4 and m3 gtr tunes also, for me the csl was the fastest of the bunch. For my driving style having the rear higher than the front tends to cause me to understeer on a 50:50 car so I just changed it a touch to help with my style.
I absolutely love the gearing, it works fantastic at this track.
- 7,175
- Exeter
- morans1980
The other tunes are good but they don't compare to this car. I think PD gave this car some extra love when they programmed its handling parameters. My tunes are general tunes so feel free to make the required changes to suit your style, I know quite a few people do this with my tunes from my own garage to suit them too. Good to know that the transmission didn't need any changes, that is one area that I have been working on a lot since I joined FITT and starting entering cars into those events.
- 1,794
- Mocksville, NC
- Please ask
The more I drive the CSL with @shaunm80 tune the better the car gets. I might give @dave2319 tweaks a go and see how it runs. I didn't think I'd run this after the 1st win, it's just this car is so awesome it makes it fun to run this race. @shaunm80 you have definitely scored a homerun with this tune.
- 2,964
- Buckinghamshire
- GTP_Snorevette
Finally pulled off a win in a RUF 3400S with a Yellowbird as the rabbit.
- 26,911
- Houston, Texas, USA
- JMarine25
I don't know what to say about this one. It was tough! I gave it one try in my Maserati GranTurismo S and only managed 8th. I almost sort of considered bringing out my BMW Z8, but I figured that may not be enough to take on the undulations of this Matterhorn course. I felt like crap trying to take on this race. I should maybe look for more cars to try to take this race on with.
I use the TVR Tuscan Speed 6 '00 found hereExeter GT Tuning (Updated with new seasonal setups) for a nice win and I was using a wheel. I only made 2 changes after setting up the car, I put the power limiter down to 77.8% to get it to 500pp and change the final gear to 3.490 to suit this track.
- 2,010
- Melbourne
- MJTbreww
- GTP MJTbreww
I actually tuned my own car for maybe the first time ever and won it in my 500pp Pontiac GTO!
- 176
- London
- FAST-CLAIM
Thanks TonyJZX - was struggling with a few cars to be better than 2nd, but this advice gave me a fairly easy win.
Weird how an Intermediate a Event should be quite a hard one to win. Easy 1.10-1.11 lap times with the Suzuki.
Edit - good tune shaunm80 a CSL flying with that set up. 2nd win but slightly slower lap times 1.12
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- Denmark
So let me chip in here, I tried the bmw suggested, but found it a bit twitchy, so returned to one of my favourite cars. The Lancer Evolution VI GSR T.M. SCP '99. The reason for this, is the 4wd and the stability. I struggled with the challenge, but that might be skills rather than car, was able to run 5:32 total time, so beats the weaker rabbit combinations!
The tune I am running is:
Suspension:
Racing: Hard
Brakes:
Racing: 5/5
Transmission:
FC: set max speed to 250 kph
Drivetrain: (think it is standard)
Diff. Gear: ini. Tor: 10/10, acc. Sen. 40/40, br. Sen: 20/20
Twin-plate clutch
Carb. Prop shaft
torq. Dist: 30/70
Power:
Limit at 80,4 pct
Eng: stage 3
Sports computer installed
Standard: exhaust, manifold, cat. Converter, intake
Turbo: high rpm
Nos: no
Body: downforce: 25
Wieght red: stage 3 body, carb. Bonnet and Windows.
The tune I am running is:
Suspension:
Racing: Hard
Brakes:
Racing: 5/5
Transmission:
FC: set max speed to 250 kph
Drivetrain: (think it is standard)
Diff. Gear: ini. Tor: 10/10, acc. Sen. 40/40, br. Sen: 20/20
Twin-plate clutch
Carb. Prop shaft
torq. Dist: 30/70
Power:
Limit at 80,4 pct
Eng: stage 3
Sports computer installed
Standard: exhaust, manifold, cat. Converter, intake
Turbo: high rpm
Nos: no
Body: downforce: 25
Wieght red: stage 3 body, carb. Bonnet and Windows.
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- Florida
- brucelabestia
My trusty NSX-R got me a relatively easy win on the 4th lap, but still ill give them props for giving us a fun race.
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