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Originally posted by DGB454

Again. Where is the Jewish Land if they were to give up Israel?


Why do the Jewish need a land?

Also, why should they give a land they took? Why should they be different than any other country that took land they have?

Because it isn't theirs. Other situations are different - re-drawing boundaries after wars, for instance. But Israel's boundaries were created after a war which the region had nothing to do with.
 
Originally posted by M5Power


Why do the Jewish need a land?



Because it isn't theirs. Other situations are different - re-drawing boundaries after wars, for instance. But Israel's boundaries were created after a war which the region had nothing to do with.

Why do Palestinians need land? Why does anyone need land and boundries?

It is theirs. They took it.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Why do Palestinians need land? Why does anyone need land and boundries?

It is theirs. They took it.

So why didn't we let the Nazis keep the land that they invaded and conquered?
 
Even if we did stop backing Israel then it would be my guess that they would see themselves as being on their own and take over the rest of the Palastine land. Not to mention most of the rest of the Arab nations over there. It's not like there would much of a resistance.
 
I'll by that. They'd just blow the living hell out of the middle east. Not only does America back them, we also control them. Remember Tel Aviv and Scuds?
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Even if we did stop backing Israel then it would be my guess that they would see themselves as being on their own and take over the rest of the Palastine land. Not to mention most of the rest of the Arab nations over there. It's not like there would much of a resistance.

They have no military power without our support. None.
 
You underestimate the Israelis by a huge margin They have no military without our support ? They fought and won the six day war against ..well against the whole Middle east ..Jordan , Syria , Egypt etc., without our support. Nixon helped them in 73 and after that the U.S. has helped them with arms, the ones you buy and so has France , Germany and the Netherlands and whatever other country makes the best arms. The British centurian tank made up the mainstay of there armor for years. The French Mirage jet there air force. Check your facts.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
They have no military power without our support. None.

So if we pull out we are going to take their tanks , missles , guns, jets, and soldiers? Get real.
Even without any military power my money would still be on Israel.
 
Originally posted by ledhed
You underestimate the Israelis by a huge margin ... The British centurian tank made up the mainstay of there armor for years. The French Mirage jet there air force. Check your facts.
Israel won a war with dated machinery and against a lot of odds.

Sorta like a Minardi handing Ferrari their ass on a plate.

But Israel also pays back a good bit of the money borrowed from the US. Germany still owes the US about $50 million from 85 years ago.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
So if we pull out we are going to take their tanks , missles , guns, jets, and soldiers? Get real.
Sans the soldiers, yes.

Israel generates very little money, and their army would be - without the US - merely comparable to Jordan's, or another country in its area. That should be enough, of course, excepting the fact that it's usually not one country gaining up against Israel, but several.
 
If the US suspends aid to Isreal then does it do the same to S. Korea, Nato countries, Afganistan, Panama, Guatamala, Venezuala ,Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Araibia etc. ???? Should the US go back to the way it was before WW II and stick its head in the sand like the rest of the world does not exist ? Isreals surrounded by hostile countrys . The United Nations it has affirmed Isreals right to exist as a nation. All the countrys that provide aid to Isreal are working under that U N resolution .
 
Originally posted by ledhed
Should the US go back to the way it was before WW II and stick its head in the sand like the rest of the world does not exist ?

The most serious question I'll ever ask -

Why not?

Anybody?

If we'd isolated ourselves from the world more a long time ago, the World Trade Center would still be standing. That's a promise.
 
How would we maintain free trade ? Do you really think our economy can exist outside the global market ? What would we do for energy ? Would you condemm the US to 3rd world status ? Thats what isolationism would do in a world market. We would be in the same catagory as N. Korea. A closed Isolationist society.
 
Originally posted by ledhed
How would we maintain free trade ? Do you really think our economy can exist outside the global market ? What would we do for energy ?


To be honest - America does fine and doesn't need the rest of the world. Being seriously honest, several countries are probably the same way. We surely don't need free trade (we have economic sustenance!!!) and I do thin our economy could easily exist outside of the global market. Maybe some major tweaks would be in order, but that's not saying we couldn't do it. We have more than enough of our own energy. :rolleyes:

That said - I don't think we need total isolationism. But ending the damn meddling in other countries' problems wouldn't be too bad a start if we wanted to clean up our worldwide reputation.
 
Originally posted by M5Power
The most serious question I'll ever ask -

Why not?

Anybody?

If we'd isolated ourselves from the world more a long time ago, the World Trade Center would still be standing. That's a promise.

There would've been a world trade center?
 
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